teenagebambam
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Tue Jan-25-11 01:40 PM
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I grew up in Ohio in a very small school district, and it was routine for kids to "live" with their grandparents or other relatives in order to go to our school instead of to the larger city school district nearby. Of course, we were white.
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| -Black Mother Jailed For Sending Kids to White School District |
kpete |
Jan-25-11 01:33 PM |
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Jeez, Brown v Board of Ed all over again... |
Taverner |
Jan-25-11 01:35 PM |
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wtf? jail time & probation for a "crime" routinely committed by thousands of parents across the |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-25-11 01:37 PM |
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She's Black. nt |
gateley |
Jan-25-11 01:41 PM |
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Yep. |
xfundy |
Jan-25-11 02:44 PM |
#31 |
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Everyone in my neighborhood played this game. |
appal_jack |
Jan-25-11 06:40 PM |
#60 |
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is there any information available about the racial makeup of the jury? |
Maru Kitteh |
Jan-25-11 01:39 PM |
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compilation of stories from the trial coverage and what transpired afterward. |
kpete |
Jan-25-11 01:40 PM |
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Jailed mom is just a few credit-hours away from a teaching degree - works with special needs kids |
Maru Kitteh |
Jan-25-11 01:56 PM |
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Unfortunately ... |
Kweli4Real |
Jan-25-11 03:40 PM |
#39 |
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Felony? |
blueamy66 |
Jan-26-11 07:39 AM |
#76 |
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She could have found other ways to better her |
liberalhistorian |
Jan-26-11 01:03 PM |
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like??? |
Bluerthanblue |
Jan-26-11 04:46 PM |
#124 |
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Like moving in with her father |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jan-26-11 04:56 PM |
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she shouldn't have had to go to that extreem.- her fathers taxes |
Bluerthanblue |
Jan-26-11 05:04 PM |
#143 |
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So since my kids are no longer in school, I can designate who MY tax dollars educate? |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jan-26-11 05:27 PM |
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Your tax dollars should not go to educating one specific group in particular in the first place. |
joshcryer |
Jan-26-11 05:32 PM |
#164 |
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exactly! |
Bluerthanblue |
Jan-26-11 05:56 PM |
#169 |
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Best post on this thread. n/t |
stranger81 |
Jan-26-11 08:49 PM |
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that may not be how it works, but it sure does make the argument |
Bluerthanblue |
Jan-26-11 05:55 PM |
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What other ways would that be? nt |
Pithlet |
Jan-26-11 10:24 PM |
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as a convicted felon, she won't even be allowed to get the degree |
fishwax |
Jan-26-11 01:24 PM |
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What's Worse Is This Was a FELONY and She Will Never Be Able To Teach. |
we can do it |
Jan-25-11 09:32 PM |
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I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want my child's teacher to |
liberalhistorian |
Jan-26-11 01:08 PM |
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That's my first thought as well |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jan-26-11 04:49 PM |
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You're both so liberal. n/t |
Occulus |
Jan-26-11 09:40 PM |
#185 |
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You wouldn't want your childs teacher to do anything they could to help a child learn? |
joshcryer |
Jan-26-11 04:51 PM |
#130 |
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She broke the law |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jan-26-11 04:54 PM |
#134 |
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Eh, she should've agreed to the fine. But I think she wanted to make a bigger point. |
joshcryer |
Jan-26-11 05:11 PM |
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this is in effect and act of civil disobedience- the law is being |
Bluerthanblue |
Jan-26-11 05:25 PM |
#155 |
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Agree. And I hope it helps discourse recognize that money isn't the problem with bad schools. |
joshcryer |
Jan-26-11 05:29 PM |
#159 |
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That is so unfair! |
Mimosa |
Jan-27-11 01:30 AM |
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I would be curious to know that too.. |
True_Blue |
Jan-25-11 01:47 PM |
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It wasn't for sending them to school, it was for |
liberalhistorian |
Jan-26-11 01:02 PM |
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What was her motive? |
atreides1 |
Jan-26-11 01:48 PM |
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So committing crimes and costing a lot of money |
liberalhistorian |
Jan-26-11 01:55 PM |
#110 |
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No money was "lost." |
joshcryer |
Jan-26-11 05:22 PM |
#153 |
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well, except the money they paid the private dick |
Bluerthanblue |
Jan-26-11 05:29 PM |
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True, but I am sure it was far less than the $30k they claim they "lost." |
joshcryer |
Jan-26-11 05:31 PM |
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Um, yes it was. The school expends a certain amount of money |
liberalhistorian |
Jan-26-11 09:22 PM |
#183 |
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oh so the ends justify the means |
chowhound |
Jan-26-11 05:13 PM |
#148 |
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Haha, garbage. |
joshcryer |
Jan-26-11 05:22 PM |
#152 |
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yes, in this case it does. The children's grandfather was paying |
Bluerthanblue |
Jan-26-11 05:23 PM |
#154 |
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Here's info on the white superintendent. He's into thoroughbred horse racing. |
mzmolly |
Jan-26-11 08:09 PM |
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WTF indeed |
teenagebambam |
Jan-25-11 01:40 PM |
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I don't get this part: |
dixiegrrrrl |
Jan-25-11 01:40 PM |
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I'm guessing this is what happened |
hughee99 |
Jan-25-11 01:49 PM |
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Exactly what I was thinking.. |
jeffedgmon |
Jan-25-11 02:10 PM |
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I think the hitch here is that it's different school districts in different towns. |
Xithras |
Jan-25-11 02:42 PM |
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The father, however, presumably pays taxes in Copley, no? |
alcibiades_mystery |
Jan-25-11 03:55 PM |
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I believe the father is charged for something different. |
LisaL |
Jan-25-11 03:57 PM |
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Okay, but doesn't the father live in Copley? |
lildreamer316 |
Jan-25-11 04:23 PM |
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The kid's Grandfather. not father. nt |
verges |
Jan-26-11 01:43 PM |
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Whether state or local, she paid taxes SOMEWHERE |
Canuckistanian |
Jan-25-11 06:59 PM |
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But the taxes she paid didn't go to the district |
liberalhistorian |
Jan-26-11 01:07 PM |
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No, she paid rent to keep a house over their head and heroically risked her life for them. |
joshcryer |
Jan-26-11 04:44 PM |
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+1000! |
Bluerthanblue |
Jan-26-11 04:59 PM |
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her FATHER pays taxes in the town where the children went to school |
Bluerthanblue |
Jan-26-11 04:54 PM |
#133 |
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That's not how it works though |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jan-26-11 05:29 PM |
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What's done is done. She was treated unfairly and the laws are unjust. |
joshcryer |
Jan-26-11 05:31 PM |
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If Akron Homeowners Aren't Footing the Bill For Schools? |
NashVegas |
Jan-26-11 11:57 AM |
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They're forced to rent, no credit to buy, no job security, list goes on. |
joshcryer |
Jan-26-11 04:42 PM |
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Renters pay property taxes; it's part of their rent |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jan-26-11 04:53 PM |
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Landlords get tax breaks, renters are not recognized as having paid property taxes. |
joshcryer |
Jan-26-11 04:55 PM |
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All landlords don't get property tax breaks |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jan-26-11 04:57 PM |
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There are so many deductions that landlords get it's absurd. |
joshcryer |
Jan-26-11 05:03 PM |
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Bullshit |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jan-26-11 05:31 PM |
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Feel free to read up on the many many deductions that you can get if you have rental property. |
joshcryer |
Jan-26-11 05:33 PM |
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Different school districts. |
verges |
Jan-26-11 01:40 PM |
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Rather, she was poor and could not afford to live in Copley, but decided to give her kids a chance. |
joshcryer |
Jan-26-11 04:50 PM |
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They are saying that the residents of that school district pay taxes to support those schools |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jan-26-11 04:51 PM |
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Yeah, it's a nice scam, actually. Keep the tuition high enough and people who can't "afford"... |
joshcryer |
Jan-26-11 05:00 PM |
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the 'tuition' is being paid by the GRANDFATHER- he lives in the town |
Bluerthanblue |
Jan-26-11 05:18 PM |
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It's not really about money, it's about demographics. |
joshcryer |
Jan-26-11 05:22 PM |
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Why didn't she just move in with her father? |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jan-26-11 05:26 PM |
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We may never know. But it's irrelevant. She should've paid the fine and profusely apologized, etc. |
joshcryer |
Jan-26-11 05:38 PM |
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Exactly! But, she didn't. And therefore she commited fraud. nt |
verges |
Jan-26-11 06:24 PM |
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I'm not sure everyone wants to live with their parents. |
mzmolly |
Jan-26-11 08:11 PM |
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Good point, worth sending to her lawyers |
uponit7771 |
Jan-25-11 02:41 PM |
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There might be a difference in taxes someone pays for living in one area |
LisaL |
Jan-25-11 03:43 PM |
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The difference isn't very much, in Summit County, but they do parcel the tax rate. |
joshcryer |
Jan-26-11 05:20 PM |
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It's a valuation, done to establish the felony nature of the crime..... |
msanthrope |
Jan-25-11 06:14 PM |
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In my county, non-residents have to pay tuition to attend the public schools. |
ehrnst |
Jan-26-11 08:03 AM |
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That'll teach her |
eleny |
Jan-25-11 01:42 PM |
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A felony charge no less. |
Scruffy1 |
Jan-25-11 01:43 PM |
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Vagrancy 2.0 |
immoderate |
Jan-25-11 02:44 PM |
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Us black folks aren't suppose to receive a great education. |
ej510 |
Jan-25-11 01:44 PM |
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unless they're male, and good at sports- then the rules |
Bluerthanblue |
Jan-26-11 04:57 PM |
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And yet: |
Lorien |
Jan-25-11 01:45 PM |
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Wow... I thought we had schools of choice? |
Jokinomx |
Jan-25-11 01:50 PM |
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Way back when |
Gaedel |
Jan-25-11 03:07 PM |
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and yet we see here on DU studies that say |
azurnoir |
Jan-25-11 01:51 PM |
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Oh my God! |
The Backlash Cometh |
Jan-25-11 01:54 PM |
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Report them, that is, |
Tejas |
Jan-25-11 02:39 PM |
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Child graduated. |
The Backlash Cometh |
Jan-25-11 02:56 PM |
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That is f'ed up. |
CC |
Jan-25-11 02:02 PM |
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I'd like to hear from the public school teachers on DU n/t |
Still a Democrat |
Jan-25-11 02:04 PM |
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Attendance = money. THAT is the crux here. Faking a domicile is state money lost for the "real" |
WinkyDink |
Jan-25-11 02:18 PM |
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So would her children generate as much revenue as those attending and living in the district? |
Still a Democrat |
Jan-25-11 02:23 PM |
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School A loses 3 kids = money lost. Period. School B picks up extra money for those 3 kids. |
WinkyDink |
Jan-25-11 03:45 PM |
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I'm not sure I'm following your question. |
verges |
Jan-26-11 01:55 PM |
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It is not money lost. The district has a fixed amount of money income from property taxes. |
joshcryer |
Jan-26-11 04:41 PM |
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and my reply is "don't ask, don't tell" |
kwassa |
Jan-26-11 04:18 PM |
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Ridiculous. IF my district didn't offer school choice, I would have done the same thing and likely |
blondeatlast |
Jan-25-11 02:04 PM |
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I support her as well- |
Bluerthanblue |
Jan-26-11 06:02 PM |
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That is about as much of a "crime" as smoking pot is. |
cleanhippie |
Jan-25-11 02:06 PM |
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Racism exists EVERYWHERE. |
jeffedgmon |
Jan-25-11 02:07 PM |
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these black folks are racist for wanting to send their children to a white school |
datasuspect |
Jan-25-11 02:09 PM |
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No, no; it's not that a white parent would go scot-free; it's that ANY parent of a GREAT ATHLETE |
WinkyDink |
Jan-25-11 02:14 PM |
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Not sure if you'd call a cheerleader a "great athlete". |
Esurientes |
Jan-26-11 08:52 PM |
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And how much did Penn Hills School district recover from Rick Santorum? Why didn't he go to jail? |
sinkingfeeling |
Jan-25-11 02:39 PM |
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Because he is Rick Santorum. |
WinkyDink |
Jan-25-11 03:46 PM |
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Because Penn Hills is in Pennsylvania not Ohio |
happyslug |
Jan-26-11 02:53 PM |
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I forwarded this |
Frosty1 |
Jan-25-11 02:46 PM |
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wtf. People do this all the time. |
Starry Messenger |
Jan-25-11 03:01 PM |
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It isn't any the less illegal. Some get caught; some don't. |
WinkyDink |
Jan-25-11 03:47 PM |
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I've never heard of the fine though. And the jail. And the probation. |
Starry Messenger |
Jan-25-11 03:53 PM |
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Fines, yes. The rest? Overkill, IMO. |
WinkyDink |
Jan-25-11 05:45 PM |
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It is that way where I live - I found this out when I was considering adopting a child. (nt) |
ehrnst |
Jan-26-11 08:09 AM |
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They fine folks here for this |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jan-26-11 04:58 PM |
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I think she refused to pay the fine and then they took it to court. |
joshcryer |
Jan-26-11 05:07 PM |
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one gets prosecuted, the others don't- |
Bluerthanblue |
Jan-26-11 09:06 PM |
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It sounds like what she did was basically "school choice". |
hughee99 |
Jan-25-11 03:40 PM |
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This is obscene. |
Reader Rabbit |
Jan-25-11 03:40 PM |
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Sad and effed up beyond belief. Judge says the county prosecutor refused to consider misdemeanor |
entanglement |
Jan-25-11 03:48 PM |
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Fuck the judge--she has the power to knock it down. She probably |
msanthrope |
Jan-25-11 06:16 PM |
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This has happened multiple times in our school district. |
Dappleganger |
Jan-25-11 03:52 PM |
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This poor mother needs a miracle... I hope some lawyer steps in and helps her.... |
midnight |
Jan-25-11 04:37 PM |
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Are the kids good at sports??????? |
dembotoz |
Jan-25-11 04:47 PM |
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I hope that prosecutor is proud for taking this all the way through trial. |
varkam |
Jan-25-11 05:42 PM |
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They chose her for 'good' reason. |
msanthrope |
Jan-25-11 06:10 PM |
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This is not necessarily black and white |
karynnj |
Jan-25-11 06:23 PM |
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"The solution is to improve all schools and make them safe." And when will we hear any politician |
WinkyDink |
Jan-25-11 06:25 PM |
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When will politicians discuss this on the national level? |
MedicalAdmin |
Jan-26-11 04:38 AM |
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Bwah! Indeed. |
WinkyDink |
Jan-26-11 07:24 AM |
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Never. It's far easier to blame and demonize |
liberalhistorian |
Jan-26-11 01:16 PM |
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How do you improve the schools..... |
hakko936 |
Jan-26-11 02:49 PM |
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Who gives a crap? |
blueamy66 |
Jan-26-11 07:45 AM |
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That is precisely what I said - it is the only real solution |
karynnj |
Jan-26-11 08:23 AM |
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I thought that all of Ohio had open enrollment |
Nikia |
Jan-25-11 06:27 PM |
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Please tell me why this woman actually deserves to be jailed for this. |
delightfulstar |
Jan-25-11 06:44 PM |
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No Child Left Behind !!!!!No Child Left Behind!!!!!!!!! |
mstinamotorcity |
Jan-25-11 06:50 PM |
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Why the kids can't choose their schools? |
minavasht |
Jan-25-11 06:52 PM |
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It's called "local control." |
WinkyDink |
Jan-26-11 07:25 AM |
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This headline to the OP seems racist... |
Cid_B |
Jan-25-11 07:03 PM |
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I checked. Fairlawn and Copley are about 87% white |
EFerrari |
Jan-26-11 01:22 PM |
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It was not presented this way on the news this morning... |
Phentex |
Jan-26-11 04:00 PM |
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How very sad |
donheld |
Jan-25-11 09:29 PM |
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This is an outrage |
Tsiyu |
Jan-26-11 05:07 AM |
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So sad when what all she wanted was better for her children |
madokie |
Jan-26-11 05:24 AM |
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But who doesn't? Someone in Podunk can't just up and send their child to |
WinkyDink |
Jan-26-11 07:31 AM |
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The better question is |
bergie321 |
Jan-26-11 11:04 AM |
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Question is, why are public schools based on "wealth" rather than equal education for all? |
defendandprotect |
Jan-26-11 12:47 PM |
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Akron actually has higher per pupil costs. It's just that when money comes from the state... |
joshcryer |
Jan-26-11 04:48 PM |
#126 |
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and Ohio's system for funding schools was found to be unconstitutional- |
Bluerthanblue |
Jan-26-11 06:55 PM |
#174 |
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Public schools are primarily a county or city issue, not necessarily a state or federal issue. |
Selatius |
Jan-26-11 09:17 PM |
#182 |
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Um, she took them to the bus stop every day. |
joshcryer |
Jan-26-11 04:46 PM |
#125 |
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I think that the headline |
Dorian Gray |
Jan-26-11 07:22 AM |
#71 |
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Maybe this explains how they found out. |
Esurientes |
Jan-26-11 09:15 PM |
#181 |
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There is no school choice in IL? |
boston bean |
Jan-26-11 07:26 AM |
#74 |
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States with inTER-district "choice" are in the VAST minority (about 15/50). And inTRA-district is |
WinkyDink |
Jan-26-11 07:45 AM |
#77 |
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American Apartheid |
W T F |
Jan-26-11 10:47 AM |
#82 |
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"Because of the felony conviction, you will not be allowed to get your teaching degree under Ohio... |
Faryn Balyncd |
Jan-26-11 11:41 AM |
#84 |
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Jesus wept |
onethatcares |
Jan-26-11 11:44 AM |
#85 |
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Vouchers would end this type of crap. |
hakko936 |
Jan-26-11 11:54 AM |
#86 |
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The school district hired a private investigator to do surveillance to make their case |
csziggy |
Jan-26-11 11:59 AM |
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Probably just felt like making an example of somebody |
Demstud |
Jan-26-11 12:09 PM |
#91 |
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Yes, and I would bet this poor woman paniced and caused the case to get worse |
csziggy |
Jan-26-11 02:15 PM |
#111 |
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that's the part that stuck out in the article to me. they hired a PI to follow them and make a |
Divine Discontent |
Jan-26-11 08:56 PM |
#179 |
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In the U.S.A., it will ALWAYS be seen as proper to discriminate on the basis of $$$ |
Romulox |
Jan-26-11 12:01 PM |
#89 |
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That's terrible. K&R |
pam4water |
Jan-26-11 12:01 PM |
#90 |
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Yeah, they don't like that in O-Hiya. |
Shagbark Hickory |
Jan-26-11 12:11 PM |
#92 |
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So how is one school's education worth $30k more than the other? |
guruoo |
Jan-26-11 12:14 PM |
#93 |
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Because the school charged that much for "out of district" students. They just added up the years. |
joshcryer |
Jan-26-11 05:08 PM |
#146 |
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When we understand that no one from the "white" school would have tried to sneak their kids... |
defendandprotect |
Jan-26-11 12:42 PM |
#94 |
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Wow, just wow!! |
Beacool |
Jan-26-11 12:58 PM |
#96 |
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this is bullshit if the parents had anytype of joint custody, bullshit anyway ie brown v board |
Exultant Democracy |
Jan-26-11 01:38 PM |
#104 |
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A travesty |
blackspade |
Jan-26-11 01:52 PM |
#108 |
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FELONY charges?? Are you shitting me?? |
Blue_Tires |
Jan-26-11 03:57 PM |
#114 |
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The blog in the first link is gone. Probably because of the racist heading... |
Phentex |
Jan-26-11 04:03 PM |
#116 |
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Sad |
ismnotwasm |
Jan-26-11 04:03 PM |
#117 |
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I hope she can take this to a higher court |
AsahinaKimi |
Jan-26-11 04:08 PM |
#118 |
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Sounds like some good old jury nullification was in order. |
TheKentuckian |
Jan-26-11 04:39 PM |
#120 |
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I know I wouldn't have voted to convict. |
Pithlet |
Jan-26-11 09:30 PM |
#184 |
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I have known white folks who did the same thing.No one ever says a word |
McCamy Taylor |
Jan-26-11 04:48 PM |
#127 |
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sad but true- |
Bluerthanblue |
Jan-26-11 05:08 PM |
#145 |
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why would she send her kids to a predominantly white school? |
crazyjoe |
Jan-26-11 05:48 PM |
#167 |
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because the school in her district was really bad! |
democracy1st |
Jan-27-11 01:16 AM |
#188 |
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Shocking turnaround |
Rev. Nancy |
Jan-26-11 06:09 PM |
#171 |
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Isn't Ohio's school funding still "Unconstitutional"? if the school |
Bluerthanblue |
Jan-26-11 06:50 PM |
#173 |
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K&R. This story needs to go national!!! |
Pryderi |
Jan-27-11 01:09 AM |
#187 |
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It is national. I saw it on CNN this evening. nt |
Liquorice |
Jan-27-11 01:33 AM |
#190 |
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