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149. Good points. WE are the holder of a great deal of debt. The money, the stocks, bonds, etc
Edited on Sat Dec-18-10 02:25 AM by glinda
And maybe just maybe...... this is the next shoe to drop or leaked. They screwed all of the people's savings and investments away. Nada. Nothing. Big scam of the Century. So they cut entitlements and HC and other things because we no longer have the money. Money that people earned.
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  -Exclusive: US empire could collapse at any time, Pulitzer winner tells Raw Story Donnachaidh  Dec-17-10 09:17 AM   #0 
  - I wonder if he reads DU. n/t  Ozymanithrax   Dec-17-10 09:19 AM   #1 
  - More likely he reads the Psychic Hotline Handbook. He uses their methods, afterall.  TheWraith   Dec-18-10 11:24 AM   # 
  - It is in the process of collapsing.  ananda   Dec-17-10 09:21 AM   #2 
  - This latest Tax Cut for the Rich  femrap   Dec-17-10 03:58 PM   #42 
  - I'd recommend getting your hands on Matt Taibbi's "Griftopia"...  truth2power   Dec-17-10 06:08 PM   #60 
  - It's getting valid enough, I don't see why you have to not speak  sirthomas66   Dec-17-10 06:14 PM   #61 
  - Let's not be shy... Obama has fostered corporate crime ... from bailouts to "preserving" privated  defendandprotect   Dec-17-10 06:37 PM   #66 
  - Thanks to both posters for the reply. I don't at all mean to be shy, but  truth2power   Dec-17-10 07:43 PM   #81 
     - You've made a great point --  defendandprotect   Dec-17-10 08:00 PM   #87 
     - Cheney  Rosa Luxemburg   Dec-18-10 09:19 AM   #162 
     - The answer is, it's not 'the peoples' government any more.  Amonester   Dec-18-10 11:43 PM   #212 
  - If Matt wrote it....  femrap   Dec-17-10 10:46 PM   #122 
  - Food Prices!  AC_Mem   Dec-17-10 10:58 PM   #124 
     - A brand of frozen pizza I get occasionally was $5 in 2004, now it's almost $8.  Odin2005   Dec-18-10 12:33 PM   #195 
  - Wish I could disagree. Here's what I have the biggest problem with;  The Doctor.   Dec-17-10 09:49 PM   #114 
     - Members of the 'ignorant wingnut base'  Enthusiast   Dec-18-10 10:58 AM   #175 
  - K & R!  lonestarnot   Dec-17-10 09:22 AM   #3 
  - 'A corporate coup d'tat in slow motion'  bananas   Dec-17-10 09:22 AM   #4 
  - ... and the "slow motion" is morphing into "fast motion".  ladjf   Dec-17-10 10:18 AM   #14 
  - When the sands of time  AC_Mem   Dec-17-10 11:06 PM   #125 
  - Good points. The big question is, is there anything that could  ladjf   Dec-18-10 11:50 AM   #190 
  - The point of no-return  Enthusiast   Dec-18-10 11:05 AM   #179 
     - I totally agree with your assessment. But, I interpret your "upon us"  ladjf   Dec-18-10 11:52 AM   #191 
  - I'd call 2000 to 2010 FAST motion  eowyn_of_rohan   Dec-17-10 07:03 PM   #69 
  - 2000 to 2008  obxhead   Dec-17-10 08:54 PM   #101 
  - It won't be slow when we hit the debt ceiling in April  Joe Bacon   Dec-18-10 09:29 AM   #163 
     - Ironically ....  defendandprotect   Dec-18-10 10:48 AM   #172 
     - A Republican president  Enthusiast   Dec-18-10 11:16 AM   #183 
     - You probably have it nailed.  Enthusiast   Dec-18-10 11:10 AM   #182 
  - The First Rule of Empire: All Empires Decline and Fall over time  ixion   Dec-17-10 09:27 AM   #5 
  - So, is HE panting with anticipation, too?  Pathwalker   Dec-17-10 09:30 AM   #6 
  - sure. Hedges is undoubtedly a secular apocalyptic  cali   Dec-17-10 10:02 AM   #12 
  - I tend to agree with all of what you said.  tekisui   Dec-17-10 10:30 AM   #18 
  - My real question is: Is this crumbling "part of a plan?"  Pathwalker   Dec-17-10 10:43 AM   #25 
     - No, Empires don't ever collapse, if you ask the power elites that is  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-17-10 11:35 AM   #26 
     - They really DON'T collapse for the power elite: they just rebrand  Nevernose   Dec-17-10 06:41 PM   #67 
        - hmm not quite  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-17-10 07:25 PM   #77 
           - Something people forget about that collapse was the black death  WCGreen   Dec-17-10 11:18 PM   #129 
              - Just one correction  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-17-10 11:26 PM   #130 
                 - Interesting ....  defendandprotect   Dec-18-10 10:43 AM   #171 
                 - I believe he means the 6th Century Plague of Justinian.  Odin2005   Dec-18-10 12:40 PM   #196 
                    - I am thinking the Black Death with came though Venice  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-18-10 06:13 PM   #204 
                    - That was what I was referring too...  WCGreen   Dec-18-10 10:56 PM   #209 
                       - No problem!  Odin2005   Dec-19-10 03:10 PM   #225 
     - I don't know. I tend to be an Occam's razor sort of person.  cali   Dec-17-10 12:07 PM   #30 
        - They're building "Armegeddonvilles" around where I live.  Pathwalker   Dec-17-10 12:14 PM   #32 
           - whoa - what state is this in?  kath   Dec-17-10 02:54 PM   #33 
           - Michigan. Things have been bad here for a long time.  Pathwalker   Dec-17-10 02:57 PM   #34 
              - Radicalized like 1930s radicalized?  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-17-10 03:50 PM   #41 
                 - Not sure what you mean by 1930s radicalized, Nadin.  Pathwalker   Dec-17-10 06:30 PM   #63 
                    - In the 1930s we had food riots  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-17-10 07:06 PM   #70 
                    - No food riots yet, but other problems, such as  Pathwalker   Dec-17-10 08:01 PM   #88 
                       - Yes, it is the depression AGAIN  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-17-10 08:22 PM   #92 
                          - The local tv stations only covered the fire because it was seen  Pathwalker   Dec-17-10 08:43 PM   #94 
                          - Well I hope my neighbors  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-17-10 08:48 PM   #98 
                          - May I as you  haikugal   Dec-17-10 11:07 PM   #126 
                          - American Red Cross  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-17-10 11:11 PM   #128 
                          - A few months ago ....  defendandprotect   Dec-18-10 10:53 AM   #173 
                    - The empire will fall, but the country won't.  Mosaic   Dec-17-10 07:34 PM   #78 
           - For quite some years now, the mall at Short Hills in NJ, has featured HUGE IRON DOOR/GATES  defendandprotect   Dec-17-10 07:01 PM   #68 
              - Those sound like great rose trellises!  Pathwalker   Dec-17-10 07:06 PM   #71 
                 - When you actually stand there and look at them....  defendandprotect   Dec-18-10 10:55 AM   #174 
  - Why would it matter? Would it make it his fault that an empire was built and collapsed?  JackRiddler   Dec-17-10 11:08 PM   #127 
  - I've got $1000 that says he is wrong  KurtNYC   Dec-17-10 09:32 AM   #7 
  - Or, global warming gone so bad that it will  Cleita   Dec-17-10 09:42 AM   #9 
  - Food Producing Abilities  justinsb   Dec-17-10 09:56 AM   #10 
  - Don't think we're talking 50 years .....  defendandprotect   Dec-17-10 08:05 PM   #89 
  - Right but....  justinsb   Dec-17-10 08:42 PM   #93 
     - Every state has problems with Global Warming including the  defendandprotect   Dec-17-10 09:42 PM   #112 
        - I don't understand. Aquifers are renewable. Our's in So. La  juajen   Dec-18-10 12:58 AM   #136 
           - Aquifers are renewable but..  justinsb   Dec-18-10 01:39 AM   #139 
           - Good --  defendandprotect   Dec-18-10 09:56 AM   #166 
           - Just a PS to that response ....  defendandprotect   Dec-19-10 04:41 AM   #216 
           - Many of the midwest aquifers are prehistoric.  Enthusiast   Dec-18-10 11:24 AM   #184 
              - Thank you ... I had just come back to try to make my original comments clearer ....  defendandprotect   Dec-19-10 04:44 AM   #217 
  - Actually, Arkansas has adequate rainfall  Art_from_Ark   Dec-18-10 12:15 AM   #133 
  - Arkansas & Fish  justinsb   Dec-18-10 01:49 AM   #140 
  - Aquifers are also being drained or poisoned by energy processing at even a faster rate.  glinda   Dec-18-10 01:32 AM   #138 
     - The greedy corporatists already  Enthusiast   Dec-18-10 11:35 AM   #186 
  - That's already happening ... we've been feeling effects of Global Warming since at least 1980's....  defendandprotect   Dec-17-10 07:08 PM   #72 
  - Try & buy food or fuel without any of that fantasy stuff.  Jackpine Radical   Dec-17-10 10:08 AM   #13 
  - Bartering  KurtNYC   Dec-18-10 08:30 AM   #159 
     - Yes, I think it might come to that.  Jackpine Radical   Dec-18-10 09:08 AM   #161 
  - The collapse of US empire is not the collapse of the US as a nation  starroute   Dec-17-10 10:20 AM   #15 
  - Think we're all trying to figure out exactly what it means ... collapse of MIC?  defendandprotect   Dec-17-10 07:13 PM   #74 
  - Correction: In a fiat currency, money is worth something because OTHERS believe it  ixion   Dec-17-10 10:23 AM   #16 
  - And looks like the world is seeing an America "unable to pay up" ... ???  defendandprotect   Dec-17-10 07:17 PM   #75 
  - Poor fiscal policies can destroy a fiat currency.  Selatius   Dec-18-10 03:10 AM   #152 
     - Well, bailing out corrupt and criminal capitalists was forced upon the public ....  defendandprotect   Dec-19-10 04:50 AM   #218 
        - The argument slides both ways. The same public voted in these crooks to begin with.  Selatius   Dec-19-10 05:03 AM   #219 
           - We also voted for Obama and CHANGE ... these voters didn't vote for what they got--!!  defendandprotect   Dec-19-10 05:16 AM   #220 
              - I agree on the last statement, but I fear achieving that could mean a nasty fight, with many deaths.  Selatius   Dec-19-10 06:05 AM   #222 
                 - We have to try to continue to find ways which cut corporate power ....  defendandprotect   Dec-19-10 06:17 AM   #223 
  - Gold is a fake fiat currency propped up by belief just like any other currency n/t  eridani   Dec-18-10 03:04 AM   #150 
  - There may be people on street corners trying to buy bread with gold....  defendandprotect   Dec-19-10 05:17 AM   #221 
  - What use do you have in your daily life that would bring ANY  pokercat999   Dec-18-10 07:27 AM   #157 
  - And I've gotba slew of empires who'se citizens believed as you do  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-17-10 11:38 AM   #27 
  - Don't disagree with you, nadin -- but think there is a lot of it many of us here ...  defendandprotect   Dec-17-10 07:21 PM   #76 
  - You're not quite right.  Kablooie   Dec-17-10 12:12 PM   #31 
  - The ride down is much different from the ride up --  defendandprotect   Dec-17-10 08:20 PM   #91 
     - Twilight Zone  Kablooie   Dec-17-10 11:35 PM   #131 
        - Dont think I ever saw it -- but think ....  defendandprotect   Dec-19-10 04:34 AM   #215 
  - "we have survived worse."  ProudDad   Dec-17-10 06:31 PM   #64 
     - A: 1860-1865  KurtNYC   Dec-18-10 08:58 AM   #160 
  - Doubt it  Demstud   Dec-17-10 09:40 AM   #8 
  - It already has  justinsb   Dec-17-10 09:59 AM   #11 
  - laying mortally wounded, but still dangerous  ixion   Dec-17-10 10:27 AM   #17 
  - Teeth?  justinsb   Dec-17-10 10:32 AM   #20 
     - Agree  ewagner   Dec-17-10 10:38 AM   #21 
     - Unfortunately, the "nukes" are always a consideration ...  defendandprotect   Dec-17-10 07:55 PM   #85 
        - Yes, the nukes are there  justinsb   Dec-17-10 09:12 PM   #104 
           - That's already happened ....  defendandprotect   Dec-17-10 09:46 PM   #113 
  - It hasn't fully and the illusion is still there  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-17-10 11:40 AM   #28 
  - "meaning cuts to entitlements"  ProudDad   Dec-17-10 06:36 PM   #65 
  - Cuts to entitlements  justinsb   Dec-17-10 07:52 PM   #84 
     - No -- once you create a Medicare or SS where wealthy only pay in and don't  defendandprotect   Dec-17-10 08:43 PM   #95 
        - What I'm saying is  justinsb   Dec-17-10 08:53 PM   #100 
           - US government spends NOTHING on Social Security .....  defendandprotect   Dec-17-10 09:35 PM   #108 
           - That is until Pres. Obama signs the tax cut bill.  erodriguez   Dec-17-10 10:28 PM   #120 
              - Don't understand all the implications ....  defendandprotect   Dec-18-10 10:01 AM   #168 
           - Actually, means testing for SS and Medicare will spell the death of each program  coalition_unwilling   Dec-18-10 12:41 AM   #134 
           - Just because one has a debt the money isn't there?  jtuck004   Dec-18-10 01:14 AM   #137 
           - Again...  justinsb   Dec-18-10 01:58 AM   #142 
              - If you have lost faith in your dollars, would you please send  jtuck004   Dec-18-10 03:09 AM   #151 
                 - It's socially responsible government which keeps people and nations going ....  defendandprotect   Dec-18-10 10:59 AM   #177 
                 - Yup. And we are being so irresponsible now it is sickening. n/t  jtuck004   Dec-18-10 02:15 PM   #202 
                 - You really are not interested in what it means  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-18-10 11:10 AM   # 
                 - You really are not interested in what it means  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-18-10 11:10 AM   #181 
                 - You misread my message or maybe I wrote badly.  jtuck004   Dec-18-10 02:13 PM   #200 
                    - First WE STILL grow apples in Washington  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-18-10 04:56 PM   #203 
                       - I never said we don't grow apples here.  jtuck004   Dec-18-10 06:48 PM   #206 
                          - Alas we are at the same point I was  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-18-10 07:52 PM   #208 
                 - You didn't read  justinsb   Dec-18-10 11:39 AM   #187 
                    - I read it. I disagree with the path suggested. n/t  jtuck004   Dec-18-10 02:14 PM   #201 
           - they are taking care of that with letting the elderly die. Right now the majority of the  glinda   Dec-18-10 02:00 AM   #143 
  - Found your comments very interesting ....  defendandprotect   Dec-17-10 07:49 PM   #82 
  - re: re; re:  justinsb   Dec-17-10 08:18 PM   #90 
     - Thanks for the reply ....  defendandprotect   Dec-17-10 09:17 PM   #105 
     - ... and glad to hear your report on Canadian government ... !!  defendandprotect   Dec-17-10 09:31 PM   #106 
  - China is less than a quarter of our debt I had heard. Other debt holders include somewhere by  glinda   Dec-18-10 01:54 AM   #141 
  - China  justinsb   Dec-18-10 02:18 AM   #148 
     - Good points. WE are the holder of a great deal of debt. The money, the stocks, bonds, etc  glinda   Dec-18-10 02:24 AM   #149 
  - I'm at the point where I am not certain if our military is  eilen   Dec-18-10 09:32 AM   #164 
  - oh dear  treestar   Dec-17-10 10:31 AM   #19 
  - I hope it doesn't happen this weekend...  SidDithers   Dec-17-10 10:39 AM   #22 
  - Gahahahaha!  alcibiades_mystery   Dec-17-10 10:41 AM   #24 
  - Lemme check my calendar... Well, Jesus is returning in May, and the Mayans have us scheduled for  Buns_of_Fire   Dec-17-10 03:39 PM   #36 
  - Sid...you  femrap   Dec-17-10 04:04 PM   #44 
  - ROFL  alcibiades_mystery   Dec-17-10 10:41 AM   #23 
  - The country may collapse but the corporate empires will remain.  Kablooie   Dec-17-10 12:05 PM   #29 
  - During Little Boot's reign  newspeak   Dec-17-10 09:35 PM   #109 
  - Their New World Order does  Enthusiast   Dec-18-10 11:43 AM   #188 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-17-10 11:50 PM   #132 
  - Chris Hedges is the only guest for Bob McChesney - Sunday 2pm ET - streaming  Bozita   Dec-17-10 03:03 PM   #35 
  - I hope I can remember about this!!!!!  femrap   Dec-17-10 04:08 PM   #45 
     - Hoping this helps  Bozita   Dec-19-10 12:22 PM   #224 
  - Define collapse  Taverner   Dec-17-10 03:43 PM   #37 
  - USSR style collapse that is what he is talking about  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-17-10 03:48 PM   #38 
  - If you're talking about "Empire runs out of money" then that is well underway  Taverner   Dec-17-10 03:50 PM   #40 
  - No we are not there YET  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-17-10 04:01 PM   #43 
     - Cities and some States are already turning insolvent  Taverner   Dec-17-10 04:32 PM   #46 
        - Yes, and it still can and will get much worst  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-17-10 04:36 PM   #47 
           - No, I have seen failed states  Taverner   Dec-17-10 04:52 PM   #48 
              - Oh absolutely  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-17-10 04:59 PM   #49 
                 - No I think it will be better than the USSR scenario  Taverner   Dec-17-10 05:08 PM   #51 
                 - I expect the country to break up  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-17-10 05:19 PM   #52 
                    - I have noticed it too  Taverner   Dec-17-10 05:28 PM   #54 
                    - Here since I went looking  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-17-10 05:31 PM   #57 
                    - But where will I send my bill payments to since they all go to Texas right now?  glinda   Dec-18-10 02:13 AM   #146 
                    - At least the river doesn't catch on fire, anymore.  Warren DeMontague   Dec-17-10 09:38 PM   #110 
                    - I am glad that you brought that up. I would like to propose that everyone Dem move to  glinda   Dec-18-10 02:12 AM   #145 
                    - Our biggest challenge will be keeping warm.  eilen   Dec-18-10 09:57 AM   #167 
                    - I'm already nervous about a visit to Florida  eilen   Dec-18-10 09:47 AM   #165 
                    - So does this guy.  dgibby   Dec-18-10 10:58 AM   #176 
                       - Buy lots of books, including ones that would help for medical issues  Pathwalker   Dec-18-10 11:04 AM   #178 
                          - Two nurses(me and a niece) in the family,  dgibby   Dec-18-10 11:29 AM   #185 
                          - Thought of something else you'll need: A Greenhouse!  Pathwalker   Dec-18-10 12:02 PM   #192 
                             - Thanks!  dgibby   Dec-18-10 12:44 PM   #198 
                          - Although at the moment  Enthusiast   Dec-18-10 11:48 AM   #189 
                          - It will take awhile in Michigan to deplete the deer population.  Pathwalker   Dec-18-10 12:09 PM   #193 
                             - I have commend the Ohio Department  Enthusiast   Dec-18-10 12:41 PM   #197 
                                - Michigan's DNR has been less successful. I almost got ran over by a herd  Pathwalker   Dec-18-10 12:51 PM   #199 
                                   - We have two  Enthusiast   Dec-18-10 10:57 PM   #210 
                          - I recommend Carla Emery's Country Living Guide nt.  eilen   Dec-18-10 11:33 PM   #211 
                 - A Yugoslavia scenario is also not desired  martymar64   Dec-17-10 08:53 PM   #99 
                    - Yeah that be a nightmare  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-17-10 08:55 PM   #102 
  - The USSR collapse hurt a lot of people  newspeak   Dec-17-10 09:58 PM   #116 
     - Absolutely  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-17-10 10:06 PM   #118 
  - Collapse... I worry about this.. constantly  Pavulon   Dec-17-10 03:50 PM   #39 
  - With all due respect - I have the answer  underpants   Dec-17-10 05:31 PM   #56 
  - Well I do wish the Empire part of the US would collapse  lunatica   Dec-17-10 05:03 PM   #50 
  - I love threads like this.  Ikonoklast   Dec-17-10 05:19 PM   #53 
  - Chris Hedges, verily a credible authority on everything.  Warren DeMontague   Dec-17-10 05:28 PM   #55 
  - The US empire will not collapse, it will wane...  liberation   Dec-17-10 05:39 PM   #58 
  - I agree with that for a variety of reasons. However, I think the US could  sirthomas66   Dec-17-10 06:25 PM   #62 
     - It may or it may not be.  liberation   Dec-17-10 07:11 PM   #73 
        - So then China and India must have populations that are less  sirthomas66   Dec-17-10 07:38 PM   #80 
           - Have you been to either China or Inidia recently?  liberation   Dec-17-10 07:51 PM   #83 
           - Okay. The main thought that struck out to me in reading your last  sirthomas66   Dec-17-10 10:51 PM   #123 
              - No worries...  liberation   Dec-18-10 02:11 AM   #144 
           - And died so young too.  glinda   Dec-18-10 02:17 AM   #147 
  - Some DUers may remember that the venerable Henry Kissinger said the US was in decline in the early  Citizen Worker   Dec-17-10 05:43 PM   #59 
  - Venerable my ass....  FarLeftRage   Dec-17-10 09:34 PM   #107 
     - He's lucky he's not in the dock at the Hague for Chile 1972 and Cambodia ca. 1969 - n/t  coalition_unwilling   Dec-18-10 12:51 AM   #135 
  - A cooperative 21st century  Mosaic   Dec-17-10 07:35 PM   #79 
  - Hmmm...  justinsb   Dec-17-10 08:47 PM   #97 
  - Thank you for another perspective....  OneGrassRoot   Dec-18-10 07:04 AM   #156 
  - The wealthy are starting to tear meat off the bone  hulka38   Dec-17-10 07:58 PM   #86 
  - Excellent analogy.  DemoTex   Dec-17-10 08:45 PM   #96 
  - I Hope He's Right!  mckara   Dec-17-10 09:01 PM   # 
  - I Hope He's Right!  mckara   Dec-17-10 09:01 PM   #103 
  - I gave up  brettdale   Dec-17-10 09:38 PM   #111 
  - Better use those holiday gift cards pretty soon, then.  TwilightGardener   Dec-17-10 09:51 PM   #115 
  - it would be nice  libmom74   Dec-17-10 10:02 PM   #117 
  - It is going to be more than two  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-17-10 10:07 PM   #119 
  - As long as they don't get Virginia! n /t  dgibby   Dec-18-10 11:06 AM   #180 
  - Hedges is a prophet and a patriot...  elzenmahn   Dec-17-10 10:41 PM   #121 
  - K&R nt  gateley   Dec-18-10 05:12 AM   #153 
  - We`re definitely on our way down, if not out.  democrank   Dec-18-10 05:32 AM   #154 
  - Ever read Townies in the NYT  eilen   Dec-18-10 10:07 AM   #169 
     - Wow, thanks for this link. She's brilliant!  OneGrassRoot   Dec-18-10 06:20 PM   #205 
     - She should win a Pulitzer for this. Outstanding.  EmeraldCityGrl   Dec-18-10 07:42 PM   #207 
  - Imperial collapse is certainly one way to reduce...  FlyByNight   Dec-18-10 06:44 AM   #155 
  - I have nothing but the highest respect for Mr. Hedges - he is perhaps my over all favorite political  Douglas Carpenter   Dec-18-10 07:59 AM   #158 
  - By 2024 this will be a very different place. I bank on that. nt  eilen   Dec-18-10 10:08 AM   #170 
  - Down with the empire!  Odin2005   Dec-18-10 12:21 PM   #194 
  - But who is the Reagan of this era who will demand  merh   Dec-18-10 11:47 PM   #213 
  - He must...  JCMach1   Dec-19-10 12:17 AM   #214 
 

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