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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 12:22 PM
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73. Do you know any Christians? I live in a country where many people claim a "faith" but are in reality
agnostic or (as I am) atheist. Yet, the US is the only developed nation where I hear of "Christians" resorting to such hateful acts so regularly. It sure doesn't happen in Switzerland, and I would invite you to show me the regularity with which it happens so regularly in Italy (the next closest deeply religious nation to where I live).

It's about xenophobia, hatred, extremism, fundamentalism and WILLFUL IGNORANCE, which happen in all religions.
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  -Christians Firebomb A Gay Man's House DearAbby  Jan-25-11 03:20 AM   #0 
  - Christians? You're going to brand an entire religion based on the acts of a lone lunatic? Bullshit.  Skip Intro   Jan-25-11 03:26 AM   #1 
  - It was the title of the article  DearAbby   Jan-25-11 03:36 AM   #2 
  - Us sane Christians have been vocal about this...  regnaD kciN   Jan-25-11 03:47 AM   #3 
  - I am sorry  DearAbby   Jan-25-11 11:18 AM   #43 
  - Ministers condemn act of hatred against local gay man  roxiejules   Jan-25-11 01:09 PM   #100 
  - I'm Baffled By...  WiffenPoof   Jan-25-11 04:09 PM   #148 
  - Sorry, you also reposted something that is clearly bullshit.  Skip Intro   Jan-25-11 03:51 AM   #4 
  - Seriously??? The only hate crime here was perpetrated against a gay man,  stranger81   Jan-25-11 11:54 AM   #55 
     - yep, that's how I see it too. n/t  arthritisR_US   Jan-25-11 01:06 PM   #96 
  - Stupid fundies are not OUR fault.  Dappleganger   Jan-25-11 09:41 AM   #14 
  - Are "fundies" a minority or a majority in your religion?  cleanhippie   Jan-25-11 10:40 AM   #26 
     - About 80% of Americans are Christian  Celeborn Skywalker   Jan-25-11 10:45 AM   #31 
     - Interesting.  cleanhippie   Jan-25-11 11:13 AM   #40 
     - I don't know.  Celeborn Skywalker   Jan-25-11 11:58 AM   #57 
     - WE aren't.  Dappleganger   Jan-25-11 12:01 PM   #59 
     - Good question.  Shandris   Jan-25-11 12:16 PM   #65 
     - Well Stated! n/t  WiffenPoof   Jan-25-11 04:10 PM   #149 
     - You could say the same thing about any group that has fundies.  uppityperson   Jan-25-11 05:47 PM   #166 
     - Way to play with words  Goblinmonger   Jan-25-11 11:32 AM   #48 
     - The number of fundamentalists  Celeborn Skywalker   Jan-25-11 11:56 AM   #56 
     - Guess being an Atheist I must be the super minority.  sarcasmo   Jan-25-11 04:43 PM   #159 
     - They are a minority in my religion...  Dappleganger   Jan-25-11 11:59 AM   #58 
     - I imagine that as long the vocal minority  LanternWaste   Jan-25-11 12:17 PM   #68 
     - Are teabaggers a majority or a minority in this country?  timtom   Jan-25-11 12:20 PM   #71 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-25-11 10:39 AM   #24 
  - The title seems accurate to me.  EOTE   Jan-25-11 10:42 AM   #28 
  - It wasn't a Christian group any more than the KKK is a Christian group  slackmaster   Jan-25-11 10:53 AM   #35 
     - So, the "No true Scottsman" fallacy.  EOTE   Jan-25-11 11:30 AM   #46 
     - WADR I believe it is you who have committed a No True Scotsman, not me  slackmaster   Jan-25-11 12:31 PM   #77 
        - The very christians who committed this act haven't denounced it.  EOTE   Jan-25-11 01:11 PM   #104 
        - Yes, they haven't denounced it because they are terrorists  slackmaster   Jan-25-11 01:43 PM   #117 
           - How incredibly convenient.  EOTE   Jan-25-11 01:54 PM   #122 
              - That's a classic Straw Man  slackmaster   Jan-25-11 03:06 PM   #136 
                 - That's exactly what you're suggesting, whether you acknowledge it or not.  EOTE   Jan-25-11 03:21 PM   #139 
                    - You've crossed the line here, presenting your opinions as "facts"  slackmaster   Jan-25-11 03:24 PM   #140 
                       - Those are facts as surely as we need oxygen to live.  EOTE   Jan-25-11 03:27 PM   #142 
                          - Repeating a Straw Man doesn't make it a better description of my position  slackmaster   Jan-25-11 03:47 PM   #143 
                             - Do I care what your religion is? NT  EOTE   Jan-25-11 03:59 PM   #145 
                                - And Obama is an anti-corporate progressive liberal...the D next to his name proves it  Nuclear Unicorn   Jan-25-11 04:36 PM   #156 
                                   - Was this reply meant for me?  EOTE   Jan-25-11 04:39 PM   #157 
                                      - OK, but claiming to be part of a group does not make it so  Nuclear Unicorn   Jan-25-11 04:57 PM   #161 
                                      - A large number of Christians share those values.  EOTE   Jan-25-11 05:35 PM   #163 
                                      - Share what values? For firebombing?  Nuclear Unicorn   Jan-25-11 05:54 PM   #167 
                                      - It's neither a rule nor an exception.  EOTE   Jan-26-11 02:22 PM   #173 
        - And you are free to claim that this attack wasn't attributable to Christianity.  EOTE   Jan-25-11 01:31 PM   #111 
           - It's inflammatory to say so, just as it would be to focus on their race or ethnicity  slackmaster   Jan-25-11 01:44 PM   #118 
              - And it's surely impossible for a christian to also be a terrorist.  EOTE   Jan-25-11 01:58 PM   #124 
                 - I've never said any such thing.  slackmaster   Jan-25-11 03:19 PM   #138 
                    - Ahhh, I see. So it's the OTHER religions that are a problem.  EOTE   Jan-25-11 03:25 PM   #141 
                    - Replacing one Straw Man with another Straw Man doesn't result in an accurate depiction of my view  slackmaster   Jan-25-11 03:51 PM   #144 
                       - This term "Straw Man", it does not mean what you think it does.  EOTE   Jan-25-11 04:01 PM   #147 
                    - Wow...Unbelievable...  WiffenPoof   Jan-25-11 04:18 PM   #150 
     - The two are not mutually exclusive.  Donald Ian Rankin   Jan-25-11 11:30 AM   #47 
     - The KKK IS Christian.  Goblinmonger   Jan-25-11 11:33 AM   #49 
     - The horrible crimes they commit are not a result of their religion  slackmaster   Jan-25-11 12:32 PM   #79 
        - But they are terrorists because their religion  Goblinmonger   Jan-25-11 12:54 PM   #86 
        - I think 99% of Christians, the Vatican, and others would disagree with their interpretation  slackmaster   Jan-25-11 01:08 PM   #98 
        - They themselves would disagree with you.  cleanhippie   Jan-25-11 02:04 PM   #125 
     - The world doesn't get that  ohheckyeah   Jan-25-11 02:28 PM   #132 
  - Come on, don't be vague, tell us how you really feel.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jan-25-11 11:17 AM   #42 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jan-25-11 10:47 AM   #33 
  - It sounds like they DID stand up...  roxiejules   Jan-25-11 01:05 PM   #95 
     - Welll, yes and no  comsymp   Jan-25-11 02:08 PM   #126 
  - I'm with you on that.  polmaven   Jan-25-11 06:51 AM   #8 
  - They have biblical support for their viewpoints.  Goblinmonger   Jan-25-11 11:34 AM   #50 
     - The Christian Bible  polmaven   Jan-25-11 12:18 PM   #70 
        - Except these folks go by Old Testament and not New Testament  justiceischeap   Jan-25-11 12:31 PM   #78 
        - If they do not"go by"  polmaven   Jan-25-11 12:56 PM   #89 
           - And many of these Theofascists would disagree.  justiceischeap   Jan-25-11 01:16 PM   # 
           - I didn't say we "ignore" the Old Testament.  polmaven   Jan-25-11 01:56 PM   #123 
           - So the 10 Commandments no longer apply? Or are you just  msanthrope   Jan-25-11 05:43 PM   #164 
        - Well...Perhaps These Priests...  WiffenPoof   Jan-25-11 04:22 PM   #151 
  - Were they Muslims?  jberryhill   Jan-25-11 07:49 AM   #9 
  - Can you refute anything in the article?  Jokerman   Jan-25-11 08:45 AM   #10 
  - actually, perverted bigots hiding behind Christianity flamed a man's  roguevalley   Jan-25-11 09:37 AM   #13 
     - Are you saying that the people responsible for this firebombing are not "real" christians?  cleanhippie   Jan-25-11 10:41 AM   #27 
        - No True Scotsman! No True Scotsman!  Warren DeMontague   Jan-25-11 01:04 PM   #93 
        - uh, thanks?  cleanhippie   Jan-25-11 01:11 PM   #105 
           - Yeah, I was agreeing with you.  Warren DeMontague   Jan-25-11 05:18 PM   #162 
              - Got it. Thanks for the clarification.  cleanhippie   Jan-25-11 06:02 PM   #168 
        - yes I am. I don't recall Jesus saying this was okay and any other  roguevalley   Jan-25-11 01:16 PM   #107 
           - This IS christianity as it is practiced by many people.  Jokerman   Jan-25-11 01:31 PM   #113 
  - That is completely illogical. "Christians" does not mean "All Christians".  Donald Ian Rankin   Jan-25-11 09:58 AM   #17 
  - A more accurate headline would have been "Christian extremists..." or "Christian fundamentalists."  Heidi   Jan-25-11 10:45 AM   #30 
  - Extremists yes, but also more verbose (and I'm not sure fundamentalists is accurate).  Donald Ian Rankin   Jan-25-11 11:28 AM   #44 
  - One word is "verbose"??  polmaven   Jan-25-11 12:20 PM   #72 
     - It's a 20-25% increase in headline length.  Donald Ian Rankin   Jan-25-11 04:31 PM   #154 
  - I think they are more of the majority than you let on.  Goblinmonger   Jan-25-11 11:36 AM   #51 
  - yup, the same way that "Men" does not mean "All Men" n/t  Scout   Jan-25-11 10:46 AM   #32 
     - I actually agree that broadbrushes of "men" are horseshit.  Heidi   Jan-25-11 12:26 PM   #74 
  - It does not say that. Honest speaking is big in Christianity.  Bluenorthwest   Jan-25-11 10:34 AM   #22 
  - Yes, since the shoe fits AND its the title of the article.  cleanhippie   Jan-25-11 10:39 AM   #25 
  - Not all Christians, but whoever is responsible probably considers themselves to BE a Christian. nt  NorthCarolina   Jan-25-11 10:49 AM   #34 
  - They are Christians and did it because of their religious beliefs.  Goblinmonger   Jan-25-11 11:29 AM   #45 
  - It doesn't say which "Christian hate group" it is...  Deep13   Jan-25-11 12:11 PM   #61 
  - Seems legit to me  mkultra   Jan-25-11 12:58 PM   #90 
  - It's so important that, in the first post of the thread, you identified the "real" victims, here.  Warren DeMontague   Jan-25-11 01:05 PM   #94 
  - It was a christian group. Not bullshit at all.  tekisui   Jan-25-11 01:26 PM   #110 
  - Indeed.....  queerart   Jan-25-11 01:36 PM   #114 
  - "Possible" hate crime?  knitter4democracy   Jan-25-11 06:25 AM   #5 
  - I'm guessing that they don't have solid evidence ...  surrealAmerican   Jan-25-11 06:50 AM   #7 
  - Oh, I can see why the police might say that--it just stuck out.  knitter4democracy   Jan-25-11 04:01 PM   #146 
  - +1  Proud Liberal Dem   Jan-25-11 09:58 AM   #18 
  - Well, it could be that whoever wrote the note wanted people to think it was.  Donald Ian Rankin   Jan-25-11 09:59 AM   #19 
  - So...You're Saying...  WiffenPoof   Jan-25-11 04:26 PM   #153 
     - No, I'm saying someone with a grudge against this man might want to avoid suspicion.  Donald Ian Rankin   Jan-25-11 04:35 PM   #155 
  - +100  rko_24550   Jan-25-11 01:15 PM   #106 
  - it was`t till further into the article that "christian hate groups"...  madrchsod   Jan-25-11 06:34 AM   #6 
  - Sounds like shit....  ThatsMyBarack   Jan-25-11 08:49 AM   #11 
  - Ministers condemn act of hatred against local gay man (church will help rebuild home)  Heidi   Jan-25-11 08:54 AM   #12 
  - Thanks for adding more information. Very helpful. n/t  Judi Lynn   Jan-25-11 10:05 AM   #20 
  - I'm sure Jesus would approve.  HopeHoops   Jan-25-11 09:53 AM   #15 
  - If Gay people tried to burn down the house of a Christian this would be front page news EVERYWHERE  LynneSin   Jan-25-11 09:57 AM   #16 
  - I agree it would be spun every which way, but that would be a sh!tty headline, too. (nt)  Heidi   Jan-25-11 10:10 AM   #21 
     - In some nations, Christian groups are openly attempting to  Bluenorthwest   Jan-25-11 10:44 AM   #29 
     - Those are Christian extremist groups, just as there are Muslim extremist groups.  Heidi   Jan-25-11 10:53 AM   #36 
        - I'm sorry but "Mainstream Christianity" is extreme.  walldude   Jan-25-11 01:10 PM   #103 
     - Not if it was done because of his gay beliefs.  Goblinmonger   Jan-25-11 11:38 AM   #52 
        - Do you know any Christians? I live in a country where many people claim a "faith" but are in reality  Heidi   Jan-25-11 12:22 PM   #73 
        - What are "gay beliefs"?  Heidi   Jan-25-11 12:30 PM   #75 
        - I said it wasn't possible.  Goblinmonger   Jan-25-11 12:56 PM   #88 
        - They burned down the house  polmaven   Jan-25-11 12:30 PM   #76 
           - Gays are an abomination  Goblinmonger   Jan-25-11 12:54 PM   #87 
              - No - it isn't..  polmaven   Jan-25-11 01:04 PM   #92 
              - So the old testament has no impact on Christians?  Goblinmonger   Jan-25-11 01:09 PM   #101 
                 - The New Testament  polmaven   Jan-25-11 01:40 PM   #116 
                    - This Jesus?  Goblinmonger   Jan-25-11 02:09 PM   #127 
                       - If you read the entire story..  polmaven   Jan-25-11 02:26 PM   #131 
              - Shrimp, crab, lobster, clams, mussels, all these are an abomination before the Lord  justiceischeap   Jan-25-11 01:10 PM   #102 
                 - Tell these kooks to go bomb Red Lobster!  Bluebear   Jan-25-11 02:36 PM   #135 
  - I gave up on Christianity almost 40 years ago, but this piece is bigoted and inflammatory  slackmaster   Jan-25-11 10:37 AM   #23 
  - Christians have acted in ways of Terrorism since well before the Crusades  LynneSin   Jan-25-11 03:09 PM   #137 
  - Horrible.  Celeborn Skywalker   Jan-25-11 10:54 AM   #37 
  - Agree. "Assholes" is a much more accurate term than "Christians."  Heidi   Jan-25-11 11:08 AM   #38 
     - Yes, because no Christian every does anything bad.  Goblinmonger   Jan-25-11 11:40 AM   #53 
        - I'm an atheist.  Heidi   Jan-25-11 12:17 PM   #66 
  - I Didn't write the article  DearAbby   Jan-25-11 11:10 AM   #39 
  - Right, which is exactly what happened here, begining with the very first response.  closeupready   Jan-25-11 11:47 AM   #54 
     - Ding Ding Ding  DearAbby   Jan-25-11 12:18 PM   #69 
  - ...this is horrible.  krabigirl   Jan-25-11 11:14 AM   #41 
  - What in the world is going on, on this thread and on DU generally these days?...  truth2power   Jan-25-11 12:05 PM   #60 
  - For the Christians in this thread taking offense  justiceischeap   Jan-25-11 12:11 PM   #62 
  - It might be a good idea to put "christian" in quotes.  Democrats_win   Jan-25-11 12:15 PM   #64 
  - In my experience I've not seen a hell of a lot of difference between  justiceischeap   Jan-25-11 12:17 PM   #67 
  - Or, it might be a good idea to worry about the actual victim here, i.e. the gay man  Warren DeMontague   Jan-25-11 01:08 PM   #99 
  - +1 brazillion n/t  kurtzapril4   Jan-25-11 01:46 PM   #120 
  - As soon as people say "muslims" were reponsible for terror, deal? :)  Bluebear   Jan-25-11 02:33 PM   #133 
  - I'd rec this if I could...  walldude   Jan-25-11 12:43 PM   #80 
  - I find it sad that half this thread is people whining about terminology  superduperfarleft   Jan-25-11 12:49 PM   #83 
  - And the vast majority  polmaven   Jan-25-11 12:51 PM   #84 
  - The problem is, there are so many people of faith who denounce these kinds of acts  justiceischeap   Jan-25-11 01:03 PM   #91 
  - My congregation  polmaven   Jan-25-11 01:31 PM   #112 
  - Is a man's house not his church? ;)  justiceischeap   Jan-25-11 01:40 PM   #115 
     - Oh, yes...  polmaven   Jan-25-11 01:50 PM   #121 
  - Heart of the matter.  lib_wit_it   Jan-25-11 11:43 PM   #169 
  - Really? The vast majority?  walldude   Jan-25-11 01:18 PM   #108 
  - But the book is rife with,  kurtzapril4   Jan-25-11 01:44 PM   #119 
     - and perhaps  polmaven   Jan-25-11 02:11 PM   #128 
  - Oh, and QFE:  superduperfarleft   Jan-25-11 12:52 PM   #85 
  - Don't try to have a rational discussion with someone who believes in the irrational.  Lucian   Jan-25-11 02:17 PM   #130 
  - Isolated incident.  Capitalocracy   Jan-25-11 12:13 PM   #63 
  - OUCH!  walldude   Jan-25-11 12:44 PM   #81 
  - More rightwing terrorism.  Arugula Latte   Jan-25-11 12:48 PM   #82 
  - STOP ABUSING CHRISTIANS!!! STOP!!! STOP ABUSING CHRISTIANS!!!! STOP!!!!!  Warren DeMontague   Jan-25-11 01:07 PM   #97 
  - LMAO....  walldude   Jan-25-11 02:35 PM   #134 
  - as a christian -- the headline is fine -- and also as a christian i have to accept  xchrom   Jan-25-11 01:22 PM   #109 
  - Well, if some atheists ever burned something down over anti-religious sentiment...  peopleb4money   Jan-25-11 11:49 PM   #171 
  - "Who Would Jesus Bomb"  Lucian   Jan-25-11 02:14 PM   #129 
  - Rec for pissing off Christians. n/t  Vickers   Jan-25-11 04:26 PM   #152 
  - Homegrown religious terrorist are more scary.  sarcasmo   Jan-25-11 04:43 PM   #158 
  - Eye On The Ball.  ChipperbackDemocrat   Jan-25-11 04:47 PM   #160 
  - I think "Heterosexual Supremacists" would have been a better description than "Christians"  slackmaster   Jan-25-11 05:47 PM   #165 
  - if true, they are sub-animal  upi402   Jan-25-11 11:47 PM   #170 
  - Just terrifying. nt.  Mariana   Jan-26-11 01:37 PM   #172 
 

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