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Tue Jan-25-11 12:22 PM
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| 73. Do you know any Christians? I live in a country where many people claim a "faith" but are in reality |
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agnostic or (as I am) atheist. Yet, the US is the only developed nation where I hear of "Christians" resorting to such hateful acts so regularly. It sure doesn't happen in Switzerland, and I would invite you to show me the regularity with which it happens so regularly in Italy (the next closest deeply religious nation to where I live).
It's about xenophobia, hatred, extremism, fundamentalism and WILLFUL IGNORANCE, which happen in all religions.
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| -Christians Firebomb A Gay Man's House |
DearAbby |
Jan-25-11 03:20 AM |
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Christians? You're going to brand an entire religion based on the acts of a lone lunatic? Bullshit. |
Skip Intro |
Jan-25-11 03:26 AM |
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It was the title of the article |
DearAbby |
Jan-25-11 03:36 AM |
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Us sane Christians have been vocal about this... |
regnaD kciN |
Jan-25-11 03:47 AM |
#3 |
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I am sorry |
DearAbby |
Jan-25-11 11:18 AM |
#43 |
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Ministers condemn act of hatred against local gay man |
roxiejules |
Jan-25-11 01:09 PM |
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I'm Baffled By... |
WiffenPoof |
Jan-25-11 04:09 PM |
#148 |
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Sorry, you also reposted something that is clearly bullshit. |
Skip Intro |
Jan-25-11 03:51 AM |
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Seriously??? The only hate crime here was perpetrated against a gay man, |
stranger81 |
Jan-25-11 11:54 AM |
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yep, that's how I see it too. n/t |
arthritisR_US |
Jan-25-11 01:06 PM |
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Stupid fundies are not OUR fault. |
Dappleganger |
Jan-25-11 09:41 AM |
#14 |
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Are "fundies" a minority or a majority in your religion? |
cleanhippie |
Jan-25-11 10:40 AM |
#26 |
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About 80% of Americans are Christian |
Celeborn Skywalker |
Jan-25-11 10:45 AM |
#31 |
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Interesting. |
cleanhippie |
Jan-25-11 11:13 AM |
#40 |
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I don't know. |
Celeborn Skywalker |
Jan-25-11 11:58 AM |
#57 |
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WE aren't. |
Dappleganger |
Jan-25-11 12:01 PM |
#59 |
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Good question. |
Shandris |
Jan-25-11 12:16 PM |
#65 |
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Well Stated! n/t |
WiffenPoof |
Jan-25-11 04:10 PM |
#149 |
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You could say the same thing about any group that has fundies. |
uppityperson |
Jan-25-11 05:47 PM |
#166 |
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Way to play with words |
Goblinmonger |
Jan-25-11 11:32 AM |
#48 |
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The number of fundamentalists |
Celeborn Skywalker |
Jan-25-11 11:56 AM |
#56 |
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Guess being an Atheist I must be the super minority. |
sarcasmo |
Jan-25-11 04:43 PM |
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They are a minority in my religion... |
Dappleganger |
Jan-25-11 11:59 AM |
#58 |
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I imagine that as long the vocal minority |
LanternWaste |
Jan-25-11 12:17 PM |
#68 |
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Are teabaggers a majority or a minority in this country? |
timtom |
Jan-25-11 12:20 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jan-25-11 10:39 AM |
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The title seems accurate to me. |
EOTE |
Jan-25-11 10:42 AM |
#28 |
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It wasn't a Christian group any more than the KKK is a Christian group |
slackmaster |
Jan-25-11 10:53 AM |
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So, the "No true Scottsman" fallacy. |
EOTE |
Jan-25-11 11:30 AM |
#46 |
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WADR I believe it is you who have committed a No True Scotsman, not me |
slackmaster |
Jan-25-11 12:31 PM |
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The very christians who committed this act haven't denounced it. |
EOTE |
Jan-25-11 01:11 PM |
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Yes, they haven't denounced it because they are terrorists |
slackmaster |
Jan-25-11 01:43 PM |
#117 |
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How incredibly convenient. |
EOTE |
Jan-25-11 01:54 PM |
#122 |
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That's a classic Straw Man |
slackmaster |
Jan-25-11 03:06 PM |
#136 |
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That's exactly what you're suggesting, whether you acknowledge it or not. |
EOTE |
Jan-25-11 03:21 PM |
#139 |
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You've crossed the line here, presenting your opinions as "facts" |
slackmaster |
Jan-25-11 03:24 PM |
#140 |
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Those are facts as surely as we need oxygen to live. |
EOTE |
Jan-25-11 03:27 PM |
#142 |
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Repeating a Straw Man doesn't make it a better description of my position |
slackmaster |
Jan-25-11 03:47 PM |
#143 |
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Do I care what your religion is? NT |
EOTE |
Jan-25-11 03:59 PM |
#145 |
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And Obama is an anti-corporate progressive liberal...the D next to his name proves it |
Nuclear Unicorn |
Jan-25-11 04:36 PM |
#156 |
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Was this reply meant for me? |
EOTE |
Jan-25-11 04:39 PM |
#157 |
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OK, but claiming to be part of a group does not make it so |
Nuclear Unicorn |
Jan-25-11 04:57 PM |
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A large number of Christians share those values. |
EOTE |
Jan-25-11 05:35 PM |
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Share what values? For firebombing? |
Nuclear Unicorn |
Jan-25-11 05:54 PM |
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It's neither a rule nor an exception. |
EOTE |
Jan-26-11 02:22 PM |
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And you are free to claim that this attack wasn't attributable to Christianity. |
EOTE |
Jan-25-11 01:31 PM |
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It's inflammatory to say so, just as it would be to focus on their race or ethnicity |
slackmaster |
Jan-25-11 01:44 PM |
#118 |
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And it's surely impossible for a christian to also be a terrorist. |
EOTE |
Jan-25-11 01:58 PM |
#124 |
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I've never said any such thing. |
slackmaster |
Jan-25-11 03:19 PM |
#138 |
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Ahhh, I see. So it's the OTHER religions that are a problem. |
EOTE |
Jan-25-11 03:25 PM |
#141 |
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Replacing one Straw Man with another Straw Man doesn't result in an accurate depiction of my view |
slackmaster |
Jan-25-11 03:51 PM |
#144 |
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This term "Straw Man", it does not mean what you think it does. |
EOTE |
Jan-25-11 04:01 PM |
#147 |
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Wow...Unbelievable... |
WiffenPoof |
Jan-25-11 04:18 PM |
#150 |
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The two are not mutually exclusive. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Jan-25-11 11:30 AM |
#47 |
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The KKK IS Christian. |
Goblinmonger |
Jan-25-11 11:33 AM |
#49 |
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The horrible crimes they commit are not a result of their religion |
slackmaster |
Jan-25-11 12:32 PM |
#79 |
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But they are terrorists because their religion |
Goblinmonger |
Jan-25-11 12:54 PM |
#86 |
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I think 99% of Christians, the Vatican, and others would disagree with their interpretation |
slackmaster |
Jan-25-11 01:08 PM |
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They themselves would disagree with you. |
cleanhippie |
Jan-25-11 02:04 PM |
#125 |
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The world doesn't get that |
ohheckyeah |
Jan-25-11 02:28 PM |
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Come on, don't be vague, tell us how you really feel. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Jan-25-11 11:17 AM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Jan-25-11 10:47 AM |
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It sounds like they DID stand up... |
roxiejules |
Jan-25-11 01:05 PM |
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Welll, yes and no |
comsymp |
Jan-25-11 02:08 PM |
#126 |
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I'm with you on that. |
polmaven |
Jan-25-11 06:51 AM |
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They have biblical support for their viewpoints. |
Goblinmonger |
Jan-25-11 11:34 AM |
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The Christian Bible |
polmaven |
Jan-25-11 12:18 PM |
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Except these folks go by Old Testament and not New Testament |
justiceischeap |
Jan-25-11 12:31 PM |
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If they do not"go by" |
polmaven |
Jan-25-11 12:56 PM |
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And many of these Theofascists would disagree. |
justiceischeap |
Jan-25-11 01:16 PM |
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I didn't say we "ignore" the Old Testament. |
polmaven |
Jan-25-11 01:56 PM |
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So the 10 Commandments no longer apply? Or are you just |
msanthrope |
Jan-25-11 05:43 PM |
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Well...Perhaps These Priests... |
WiffenPoof |
Jan-25-11 04:22 PM |
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Were they Muslims? |
jberryhill |
Jan-25-11 07:49 AM |
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Can you refute anything in the article? |
Jokerman |
Jan-25-11 08:45 AM |
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actually, perverted bigots hiding behind Christianity flamed a man's |
roguevalley |
Jan-25-11 09:37 AM |
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Are you saying that the people responsible for this firebombing are not "real" christians? |
cleanhippie |
Jan-25-11 10:41 AM |
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No True Scotsman! No True Scotsman! |
Warren DeMontague |
Jan-25-11 01:04 PM |
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uh, thanks? |
cleanhippie |
Jan-25-11 01:11 PM |
#105 |
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Yeah, I was agreeing with you. |
Warren DeMontague |
Jan-25-11 05:18 PM |
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Got it. Thanks for the clarification. |
cleanhippie |
Jan-25-11 06:02 PM |
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yes I am. I don't recall Jesus saying this was okay and any other |
roguevalley |
Jan-25-11 01:16 PM |
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This IS christianity as it is practiced by many people. |
Jokerman |
Jan-25-11 01:31 PM |
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That is completely illogical. "Christians" does not mean "All Christians". |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Jan-25-11 09:58 AM |
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A more accurate headline would have been "Christian extremists..." or "Christian fundamentalists." |
Heidi |
Jan-25-11 10:45 AM |
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Extremists yes, but also more verbose (and I'm not sure fundamentalists is accurate). |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Jan-25-11 11:28 AM |
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One word is "verbose"?? |
polmaven |
Jan-25-11 12:20 PM |
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It's a 20-25% increase in headline length. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Jan-25-11 04:31 PM |
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I think they are more of the majority than you let on. |
Goblinmonger |
Jan-25-11 11:36 AM |
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yup, the same way that "Men" does not mean "All Men" n/t |
Scout |
Jan-25-11 10:46 AM |
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I actually agree that broadbrushes of "men" are horseshit. |
Heidi |
Jan-25-11 12:26 PM |
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It does not say that. Honest speaking is big in Christianity. |
Bluenorthwest |
Jan-25-11 10:34 AM |
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Yes, since the shoe fits AND its the title of the article. |
cleanhippie |
Jan-25-11 10:39 AM |
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Not all Christians, but whoever is responsible probably considers themselves to BE a Christian. nt |
NorthCarolina |
Jan-25-11 10:49 AM |
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They are Christians and did it because of their religious beliefs. |
Goblinmonger |
Jan-25-11 11:29 AM |
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It doesn't say which "Christian hate group" it is... |
Deep13 |
Jan-25-11 12:11 PM |
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Seems legit to me |
mkultra |
Jan-25-11 12:58 PM |
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It's so important that, in the first post of the thread, you identified the "real" victims, here. |
Warren DeMontague |
Jan-25-11 01:05 PM |
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It was a christian group. Not bullshit at all. |
tekisui |
Jan-25-11 01:26 PM |
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Indeed..... |
queerart |
Jan-25-11 01:36 PM |
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"Possible" hate crime? |
knitter4democracy |
Jan-25-11 06:25 AM |
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I'm guessing that they don't have solid evidence ... |
surrealAmerican |
Jan-25-11 06:50 AM |
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Oh, I can see why the police might say that--it just stuck out. |
knitter4democracy |
Jan-25-11 04:01 PM |
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+1 |
Proud Liberal Dem |
Jan-25-11 09:58 AM |
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Well, it could be that whoever wrote the note wanted people to think it was. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Jan-25-11 09:59 AM |
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So...You're Saying... |
WiffenPoof |
Jan-25-11 04:26 PM |
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No, I'm saying someone with a grudge against this man might want to avoid suspicion. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Jan-25-11 04:35 PM |
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+100 |
rko_24550 |
Jan-25-11 01:15 PM |
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it was`t till further into the article that "christian hate groups"... |
madrchsod |
Jan-25-11 06:34 AM |
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Sounds like shit.... |
ThatsMyBarack |
Jan-25-11 08:49 AM |
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Ministers condemn act of hatred against local gay man (church will help rebuild home) |
Heidi |
Jan-25-11 08:54 AM |
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Thanks for adding more information. Very helpful. n/t |
Judi Lynn |
Jan-25-11 10:05 AM |
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I'm sure Jesus would approve. |
HopeHoops |
Jan-25-11 09:53 AM |
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If Gay people tried to burn down the house of a Christian this would be front page news EVERYWHERE |
LynneSin |
Jan-25-11 09:57 AM |
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I agree it would be spun every which way, but that would be a sh!tty headline, too. (nt) |
Heidi |
Jan-25-11 10:10 AM |
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In some nations, Christian groups are openly attempting to |
Bluenorthwest |
Jan-25-11 10:44 AM |
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Those are Christian extremist groups, just as there are Muslim extremist groups. |
Heidi |
Jan-25-11 10:53 AM |
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I'm sorry but "Mainstream Christianity" is extreme. |
walldude |
Jan-25-11 01:10 PM |
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Not if it was done because of his gay beliefs. |
Goblinmonger |
Jan-25-11 11:38 AM |
#52 |
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Do you know any Christians? I live in a country where many people claim a "faith" but are in reality |
Heidi |
Jan-25-11 12:22 PM |
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What are "gay beliefs"? |
Heidi |
Jan-25-11 12:30 PM |
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I said it wasn't possible. |
Goblinmonger |
Jan-25-11 12:56 PM |
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They burned down the house |
polmaven |
Jan-25-11 12:30 PM |
#76 |
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Gays are an abomination |
Goblinmonger |
Jan-25-11 12:54 PM |
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No - it isn't.. |
polmaven |
Jan-25-11 01:04 PM |
#92 |
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So the old testament has no impact on Christians? |
Goblinmonger |
Jan-25-11 01:09 PM |
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The New Testament |
polmaven |
Jan-25-11 01:40 PM |
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This Jesus? |
Goblinmonger |
Jan-25-11 02:09 PM |
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If you read the entire story.. |
polmaven |
Jan-25-11 02:26 PM |
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Shrimp, crab, lobster, clams, mussels, all these are an abomination before the Lord |
justiceischeap |
Jan-25-11 01:10 PM |
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Tell these kooks to go bomb Red Lobster! |
Bluebear |
Jan-25-11 02:36 PM |
#135 |
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I gave up on Christianity almost 40 years ago, but this piece is bigoted and inflammatory |
slackmaster |
Jan-25-11 10:37 AM |
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Christians have acted in ways of Terrorism since well before the Crusades |
LynneSin |
Jan-25-11 03:09 PM |
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Horrible. |
Celeborn Skywalker |
Jan-25-11 10:54 AM |
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Agree. "Assholes" is a much more accurate term than "Christians." |
Heidi |
Jan-25-11 11:08 AM |
#38 |
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Yes, because no Christian every does anything bad. |
Goblinmonger |
Jan-25-11 11:40 AM |
#53 |
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I'm an atheist. |
Heidi |
Jan-25-11 12:17 PM |
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I Didn't write the article |
DearAbby |
Jan-25-11 11:10 AM |
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Right, which is exactly what happened here, begining with the very first response. |
closeupready |
Jan-25-11 11:47 AM |
#54 |
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Ding Ding Ding |
DearAbby |
Jan-25-11 12:18 PM |
#69 |
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...this is horrible. |
krabigirl |
Jan-25-11 11:14 AM |
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What in the world is going on, on this thread and on DU generally these days?... |
truth2power |
Jan-25-11 12:05 PM |
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For the Christians in this thread taking offense |
justiceischeap |
Jan-25-11 12:11 PM |
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It might be a good idea to put "christian" in quotes. |
Democrats_win |
Jan-25-11 12:15 PM |
#64 |
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In my experience I've not seen a hell of a lot of difference between |
justiceischeap |
Jan-25-11 12:17 PM |
#67 |
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Or, it might be a good idea to worry about the actual victim here, i.e. the gay man |
Warren DeMontague |
Jan-25-11 01:08 PM |
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+1 brazillion n/t |
kurtzapril4 |
Jan-25-11 01:46 PM |
#120 |
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As soon as people say "muslims" were reponsible for terror, deal? :) |
Bluebear |
Jan-25-11 02:33 PM |
#133 |
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I'd rec this if I could... |
walldude |
Jan-25-11 12:43 PM |
#80 |
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I find it sad that half this thread is people whining about terminology |
superduperfarleft |
Jan-25-11 12:49 PM |
#83 |
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And the vast majority |
polmaven |
Jan-25-11 12:51 PM |
#84 |
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The problem is, there are so many people of faith who denounce these kinds of acts |
justiceischeap |
Jan-25-11 01:03 PM |
#91 |
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My congregation |
polmaven |
Jan-25-11 01:31 PM |
#112 |
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Is a man's house not his church? ;) |
justiceischeap |
Jan-25-11 01:40 PM |
#115 |
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Oh, yes... |
polmaven |
Jan-25-11 01:50 PM |
#121 |
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Heart of the matter. |
lib_wit_it |
Jan-25-11 11:43 PM |
#169 |
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Really? The vast majority? |
walldude |
Jan-25-11 01:18 PM |
#108 |
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But the book is rife with, |
kurtzapril4 |
Jan-25-11 01:44 PM |
#119 |
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and perhaps |
polmaven |
Jan-25-11 02:11 PM |
#128 |
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Oh, and QFE: |
superduperfarleft |
Jan-25-11 12:52 PM |
#85 |
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Don't try to have a rational discussion with someone who believes in the irrational. |
Lucian |
Jan-25-11 02:17 PM |
#130 |
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Isolated incident. |
Capitalocracy |
Jan-25-11 12:13 PM |
#63 |
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OUCH! |
walldude |
Jan-25-11 12:44 PM |
#81 |
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More rightwing terrorism. |
Arugula Latte |
Jan-25-11 12:48 PM |
#82 |
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STOP ABUSING CHRISTIANS!!! STOP!!! STOP ABUSING CHRISTIANS!!!! STOP!!!!! |
Warren DeMontague |
Jan-25-11 01:07 PM |
#97 |
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LMAO.... |
walldude |
Jan-25-11 02:35 PM |
#134 |
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as a christian -- the headline is fine -- and also as a christian i have to accept |
xchrom |
Jan-25-11 01:22 PM |
#109 |
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Well, if some atheists ever burned something down over anti-religious sentiment... |
peopleb4money |
Jan-25-11 11:49 PM |
#171 |
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"Who Would Jesus Bomb" |
Lucian |
Jan-25-11 02:14 PM |
#129 |
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Rec for pissing off Christians. n/t |
Vickers |
Jan-25-11 04:26 PM |
#152 |
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Homegrown religious terrorist are more scary. |
sarcasmo |
Jan-25-11 04:43 PM |
#158 |
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Eye On The Ball. |
ChipperbackDemocrat |
Jan-25-11 04:47 PM |
#160 |
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I think "Heterosexual Supremacists" would have been a better description than "Christians" |
slackmaster |
Jan-25-11 05:47 PM |
#165 |
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if true, they are sub-animal |
upi402 |
Jan-25-11 11:47 PM |
#170 |
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Just terrifying. nt. |
Mariana |
Jan-26-11 01:37 PM |
#172 |
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