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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-11 10:22 AM
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21. Psychology often works from correlative evidence not known mechanism
Edited on Mon Jan-24-11 11:02 AM by HereSince1628
That's an unfortunate truth. It's also true that although not ALL correlations are causative, SOME are, even if the psychological community hasn't yet figured out which.

The prevalence of exposure to chronic abuse and neglectful parenting is present in the overwhelming number of people who are diagnosed with PTSD-chronic aka cPTSD. Chronic abuse and neglectful parenting is highly correlated to borderline disorder, but not every abused kid becomes borderline or every borderline was abused.
This sometimes-but-not-always thing is certainly puzzling, certainly of research interest and undoubtedly important to understanding mental illness. It is why mental illness is seen as an outcome of mutlifactorial processes.

Consequently, with respect to treating the mentally ill much of psychological medicine doesn't deeply explore underlying mechanisms. Rather looks to changing outcomes regardless of the enigmatic causation. The primary correlations being sought in mental health clinics are high correlations between treatment methods and good treatment outcomes. The system thus produced does indeed seem to involve a lot of trial and error.

That not all children who are abused get borderline illness which manifests as self-cutting, suggests that borderline illness presents in multiple ways (based on the diagnostic symptoms, potentially over 196 different combinations!).

Complicating things in another way, some symptoms of mental illness like cutting in borderlines can result with equal finality from divergent psychological processes and probably different causes. Thus there isn't a strict one-cause one-effect in such problems.

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  -mentally ill or?? undergroundpanther  Jan-24-11 12:45 AM   #0 
  - So you're saying psychopaths aren't mentally ill  HEyHEY   Jan-24-11 12:53 AM   #1 
  - No.  H2O Man   Jan-24-11 10:20 AM   #19 
     - So psychopaths are a new kind of mentally ill person?  HEyHEY   Jan-24-11 08:56 PM   #26 
     - Many MH professionals would disagree.  joeunderdog   Jan-25-11 09:59 PM   #43 
     - The DSM-IV would disagree. Then again it is only written by mental health professionals.  Statistical   Jan-24-11 09:14 PM   #29 
        - Character Disorders (Axis II) are not considered major mental illness.  Last Stand   Jan-25-11 08:39 PM   #41 
  - The diagnosed mentally ill are more likely to be victims than perps,  PufPuf23   Jan-24-11 12:54 AM   #2 
  - May I agree on Dr. Peck's People of the Lie. Great book.  Little Star   Jan-24-11 07:17 AM   #13 
  - Peck has an Interesting perspective on evil . . .  janet118   Jan-24-11 10:18 AM   #18 
  - People with mental illnesses are MUCH more likely to hurt themselves than others  Electric Monk   Jan-24-11 12:55 AM   #3 
  - Should they have access to guns?  dkf   Jan-24-11 04:37 AM   #11 
  - If these folks from the OP (...sociopaths/psychopaths...) are NOT mentally  Obamanaut   Jan-24-11 01:41 AM   #4 
  - Because we have to constantly over-specify EVERYTHING  HEyHEY   Jan-24-11 02:09 AM   #5 
  - Who is "we"? I thought you lived in China. nt  Electric Monk   Jan-24-11 02:18 AM   #6 
     - I wasn't aware that kicked me out of the human race  HEyHEY   Jan-24-11 02:25 AM   #7 
        - Alrighty then, enjoy being vague and misunderstood if it works for you. nt  Electric Monk   Jan-24-11 02:34 AM   #8 
           - Vague? So you've never seen "we" used in a rhetorical sense?  HEyHEY   Jan-24-11 08:57 PM   #27 
  - The psychopaths  undergroundpanther   Jan-24-11 03:36 AM   #9 
  - To repeat the question, if they are NOT mentally ill, why are they treated  Obamanaut   Jan-24-11 03:52 AM   #10 
  - Why chiropracters and dentists don't treat sociopaths...  HereSince1628   Jan-24-11 07:14 AM   #12 
  - Corrections officers aren't treating them.  pipi_k   Jan-24-11 08:39 AM   #15 
     - Exactly, they spend most of their time getting no treatment  HereSince1628   Jan-24-11 10:01 AM   #16 
     - The short comments on your question  HereSince1628   Jan-24-11 10:51 AM   #23 
  - To ovesimplify, mental Illness can be characterized in 2 ways.  Last Stand   Jan-25-11 09:05 PM   #42 
  - Just a couple of observations...  pipi_k   Jan-24-11 08:26 AM   #14 
  - Psychology often works from correlative evidence not known mechanism  HereSince1628   Jan-24-11 10:22 AM   #21 
  - Your posts on  H2O Man   Jan-24-11 10:56 AM   #24 
  - yep  undergroundpanther   Jan-25-11 07:13 PM   #31 
  - Yes  undergroundpanther   Jan-25-11 07:59 PM   #35 
  - I agree  undergroundpanther   Jan-25-11 07:27 PM   #33 
  - I am, for obvious personal reasons, focusing on your part about the lack of empathy.  bobbolink   Jan-24-11 09:13 PM   #28 
     - bobbie  undergroundpanther   Jan-25-11 06:56 PM   #30 
        - thanks, panth. I don't disagree... not at all. You are presenting things I very much  bobbolink   Jan-26-11 11:20 AM   #44 
  - Because they  H2O Man   Jan-24-11 10:22 AM   #20 
     - very few  undergroundpanther   Jan-25-11 07:29 PM   #34 
  - Umm, I'm pretty certain that sociopaths and psychopaths fall under the heading of mentally ill,  MadHound   Jan-24-11 10:12 AM   #17 
  - There's a stereotype of a violent mentally ill person...  hunter   Jan-24-11 10:42 AM   #22 
  - Right!  H2O Man   Jan-24-11 10:58 AM   #25 
  - Error: you can only recommend threads which were started in the past 24 hours  Forkboy   Jan-25-11 07:22 PM   #32 
  - Hi forkboy  undergroundpanther   Jan-25-11 08:07 PM   #36 
     - The ones I saw have only two tines, .....  bobbolink   Jan-25-11 08:09 PM   #37 
     - LOL...everyone should have a huge fork!  Forkboy   Jan-25-11 08:28 PM   #40 
  - Sorry but they ARE in the continuum of mental disorders  nadinbrzezinski   Jan-25-11 08:11 PM   #38 
  - Yep - exactly.  cliffordu   Jan-25-11 08:17 PM   #39 

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