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The new evil, fireplaces. Next up BBQ's, Camp Fires, Cooking (wood fires = smoking )
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Hard as it may be to believe, the fireplace long considered a trophy, particularly in a city like New York is acquiring a social stigma. Among those who aspire to be environmentally responsible, it is joining the ranks of bottled water and big houses.
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Or as Starre Vartan, a 33-year-old blogger who goes by the name Eco-Chick, put it: Any time you are burning wood or cow dung, youll be creating pollution. Its like junk food: if you do it once a month, then who cares? But if its something you do every day, its important that you mitigate it somehow. Its a hazard.

Not surprisingly, the green community has been sounding the alarm for some time. For the last several years, TheDailyGreen.com, an online magazine, has advocated replacing all wood-burning fireplaces with electric ones; an article published in September by Shireen Qudosi, entitled Breathe Easier With a Cleaner Fireplace, argued that there is no such thing as an environmentally responsible fire: Switching out one type of wood for another is still use of a natural resource that otherwise could have been spared, Ms. Qudosi wrote. And last fall, an article on the Web site GreenBlizzard.com, Cozy Winter Fires Carbon Impact, called wood-burning fires a direct pollutant to you, your family and your community.

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Organizations like the American Lung Association are issuing warnings as well: the group recommends that consumers avoid wood fires altogether, citing research that names wood stoves and fireplaces as major contributors to particulate-matter air pollution in much of the United States.

Wood smoke contains some of the same particulates as cigarette smoke, said Dr. Norman H. Edelman, the chief medical officer for the American Lung Association, as well as known carcinogens like aldehydes; it has also been linked to respiratory problems in young children.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/20/garden/20fire.html?_r...

Second hand camping - ban it now or more will die and it will cost us all of money in health care costs. No one can argue with the logic at all, it makes perfect sense, if you have fires while camping with your kids - you are abusing them, it is like giving them a pack of smokes....


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  -The new evil, fireplaces. Next up BBQ's, Camp Fires, Cooking (wood fires = smoking ) The Straight Story  Jan-22-11 10:55 AM   #0 
  - I'm guessing that this is really about a cigarette ban somewhere  Dogmudgeon   Jan-22-11 10:57 AM   #1 
  - I guess generation of electricity causes no pollution at all ...  RKP5637   Jan-22-11 10:57 AM   #2 
  - At a coal-burning power plant, scrubbers can be installed to minimize the pollution.  SharonAnn   Jan-23-11 01:46 PM   #49 
     - Very good point! n/t  RKP5637   Jan-23-11 07:32 PM   #54 
  - Heh! Second hand campfires. They always told you to not pee in the campfire.  madinmaryland   Jan-22-11 10:57 AM   #3 
  - I'm guessing these people live in big cities with a reliable heating infrastructure  toddaa   Jan-22-11 10:58 AM   #4 
  - In Crested Butte Colorado for 30 years we had to have  Ichingcarpenter   Jan-22-11 11:05 AM   #5 
  - What else would a corporation tell you?  Kalyke   Jan-22-11 11:07 AM   #6 
  - +1  Sinistrous   Jan-22-11 12:52 PM   #16 
  - So it's your position that the fact that cigarettes cause cancer is "foolery"  Maru Kitteh   Jan-22-11 02:36 PM   #30 
     - So it is your position that cars/fires don't have health affects?  The Straight Story   Jan-22-11 03:53 PM   #34 
        - FTW  Donnachaidh   Jan-22-11 06:51 PM   #37 
  - So when god starts a forest fire  Angry Dragon   Jan-22-11 11:13 AM   #7 
  - Because the generation of coal fired electricity  Coyote_Bandit   Jan-22-11 11:16 AM   #8 
  - Some years ago I read an article about a fireplace designed in Germany  jwirr   Jan-22-11 12:01 PM   #13 
  - Eff em  blueamy66   Jan-22-11 11:17 AM   #9 
  - They will get my BBQs from me when they pry them from my cold dead hands  ProgressiveProfessor   Jan-22-11 11:21 AM   #10 
  - I have your back.  bluestate10   Jan-22-11 01:52 PM   #21 
  - What a load of shit.  Odin2005   Jan-22-11 11:22 AM   #11 
  - Wood vs electric. Isn't most electric produced by using coal or some  jwirr   Jan-22-11 11:57 AM   #12 
  - Electric produces less pollution per BTU.  bluestate10   Jan-22-11 01:55 PM   #23 
  - What exactly does an "electric" fireplace look like?  catabryna   Jan-22-11 12:05 PM   #14 
  - Yep.  bluestate10   Jan-22-11 01:57 PM   #24 
  - I knew I shouldn't have shaved my fur off.  postulater   Jan-22-11 12:28 PM   #15 
  - Lol! n/t  Kermitt Gribble   Jan-22-11 04:27 PM   #35 
  - For those convinced fireplaces can do no wrong: Killer Smog and the Clean Air Acts  muriel_volestrangler   Jan-22-11 01:32 PM   #17 
  - To be fair, few people in the United States burn coal in their fire place.  hedgehog   Jan-22-11 01:37 PM   #19 
  - How are things on your side of the pond? Haven't heard much since the student riots.  bluestate10   Jan-22-11 02:03 PM   #26 
     - There are resignations going on, but Cameron will stay for the moment  muriel_volestrangler   Jan-22-11 03:37 PM   #32 
  - A fire place is actually a very inefficient way to heat a home, as opposed  hedgehog   Jan-22-11 01:35 PM   #18 
  - I guess my  ohheckyeah   Jan-22-11 01:43 PM   #20 
  - poor bastards  timo   Jan-22-11 01:55 PM   #22 
  - How does protecting Rich American fireplace users help them?  Taitertots   Jan-22-11 02:54 PM   #31 
     - fireplace is a fireplace  timo   Jan-23-11 11:19 AM   #44 
        - We have more efficient alternatives, they do not  Taitertots   Jan-23-11 12:57 PM   #45 
           - ???  timo   Jan-23-11 01:34 PM   #47 
              - We don't have to burn wood for heat, it is an inefficient luxury  Taitertots   Jan-23-11 03:21 PM   #51 
                 - how??  timo   Jan-23-11 10:40 PM   #55 
  - Why is it when a sacrifice should be made it's the "people"  walldude   Jan-22-11 01:58 PM   #25 
  - I wonder how many times I have to use my wood stove  raouldukelives   Jan-22-11 02:09 PM   #28 
  - Yep.. it's crazy.  walldude   Jan-22-11 02:27 PM   #29 
  - +1 n/t  Kermitt Gribble   Jan-22-11 04:30 PM   #36 
  - And what about the effects of third-hand fireplace emissions?!  MindPilot   Jan-22-11 02:09 PM   #27 
  - thats not shit  timo   Jan-23-11 01:38 PM   #48 
  - Homeless fires will be next. They want you to freeze to death.  RegieRocker   Jan-22-11 03:39 PM   #33 
  - Outlaw forest fires?  formercia   Jan-22-11 07:00 PM   #38 
  - My head is spinning at the comments here  cally   Jan-22-11 07:14 PM   #39 
  - Wisely put.  Kurovski   Jan-22-11 07:26 PM   #40 
  - I rarely use my fireplace  Texasgal   Jan-22-11 07:50 PM   #41 
  - Are you still breathing?  postulater   Jan-22-11 09:16 PM   #43 
  - Fireplace burning is commonly banned here  IDemo   Jan-22-11 08:06 PM   #42 
  - We have the wood pellet stove linked below. It recycles the gasses from the burned  old mark   Jan-23-11 01:31 PM   #46 
  - How do fireplaces and wood stoves compare  SOS   Jan-23-11 02:07 PM   #50 
  - i wish someone would ban fireplaces here too lol  meow mix   Jan-23-11 03:31 PM   #52 
  - As a suburban fixture used occasionally, the fireplace isn't a big deal. But if people begin...  JVS   Jan-23-11 03:48 PM   #53 
  - Lame. I love a nice wood-burning fireplace. Too bad it has been a while since we have used ours.  krabigirl   Jan-23-11 11:48 PM   #56 
 

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