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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-06-13 10:41 PM
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5. The DLC is the source of both New Democrats and Third Way.
Edited on Fri Sep-06-13 11:22 PM by No Elephants
The DLC originated the Third Way philosophy. New Democrats are Democrats who follow the DLC philosophy, instead of the ways of FDR and Truman. New Democrats now make up most of the Democratic Party.

The Third Way think tank is an offshoot of the DLC, as is the Progressive Policy Institute, Center for American Progress, etc. That is why you will never hear me refer to myself or my principles as "progressive." Many who do seem to think it means something like liberal. It doesn't. Obama and Hillary are examples of progressives. Supposedly, New Democrats are more "pragmatic" than traditional Democrats. As far as I've been able to determine, the evidence that they are more pragmatic is that they say so and they believe their own statements. Ergo, they are true.

By implication, of course, that makes the rest of us impractical Democrats. Nothing condescending or arrogant about that! Wouldn't FDR and Truman be surprised!

Bubba Clinton referred to "a third way," but he supposedly "triangulated," trying for the midpoint between the traditionally Democratic Way and the traditionally Republican Way. Hence, he runs on being pro gay, but ends up giving us DADT after consulting Republican Colin Powell and Republican wingnut Dick Morris, and DOMA. And, when Billary go after health care, Bubba starts with a plan generated by the conservative Heritage Foundation because Republican Nixon's plan was too far left for Heritage! If that is a third way, I'm in the Dancing With the Stars Hall of Fame.

As far as I am concerned, the so-called Third Way is Republicans who register as Democrats, aka the uniparty. Again, I have to quote the DU poster who said, "Third Way? I'd be happy if we had two." I wish I could remember his or her name so I could give credit. As Colbert would say, "It's funny because it's true."

"How can we continue to claim the moral high road?"

Well, we haven't stopped so far. It's the standard set by the international community that we are defending. not our own. We certainly have nothing to say about it. However, we are sending a message about killing babies with horrible chemical weapons because someone has to. And, if you question any of this, well, you must just not care if more babies die by chemicals. I think you would if they were American babies, but, since they'brown.....

And, if in the process, we please Israel, the MIC and Saudi Arabia, and maybe hurt Iran, well, we certainly can't help that. rpannier gave us this quote from Goldwater: "You've got to forget about this civilian. Whenever you drop bombs, you're going to hit civilians."

Well, whenever you drop bombs, you are also going to make some people rich and/or happy. The people waging war for moral high road reasons--and we always say we are--can't worry about either one.

I do believe though, this is the first time I've witness mission creep before we start the mission. Or, at least, before we admit starting the mission. So, there's that.

BTW, didn't Obama and McCain meet on August 31 or September 1? http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obama-summons-mccain-bid...

Supposedly, that was Obama's attempt to get allies for the vote he wanted. If so, why McCain? You can always count on him to vote pro-war. ("Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran Assad.")

Why meet with him alone, if you're looking for allies for a vote? Why not have say, 5 or 10 strategically chosen people over for a working lunch and ask each of them to whip their clique?

But, I digress. Now, what was I talking about again? Oh yeah, mission creep. I hear they had a narrow resolution in the Senate until McCain refused to vote for it because it was too narrow. So, they broadened it to regime change. Oh, that McCain!
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