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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-11-13 02:22 AM
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Snowden and the ACLU
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Romero of the ACLU said that the ACLU does not know enough about Snowden to know if it would take him on as a client. However, the ACLU is, on behalf of existing clients, grateful for Snowden's revelations.

Apparently, Snowden's revelations have enabled to the ACLU to re-file six lawsuits. The lawsuits were previously dismissed for lack of standing to sue because the ACLU could not prove that its clients had been surveilled. Now, thanks to Snowden, they can prove it.


Ordinarily, if you file a lawsuit reasonably believing you have been damaged in some way, you can find out for sure by conducting discovery. You ask "the other side" questions to be answered under pains and penalties of perjury; and you ask them to produce documents in their control.

However, whenever you sue the federal government anymore, the response to discovery requests is likely to be stonewalling, citing "national security." Sometimes that response is accurate and sometimes its merely convenient.

Anyway, Romero believes that Snowden has solved the standing problem of six plaintiffs represented by the ACLU.

Speaking of the panel, most of them said that Snowden is a criminal, but that we needed to have a national conversation about the Fourth Amendment. Catch 22, though. If many people are not aware that something exists, how on earth would a national conversation about that something begin?

Sure, some on the left have claimed they've known for years, but that is only some on the left. And, there's suspecting and then there's knowing. And there's suspicion by a sector often dismissed as conspiracy theorists, and then's there's uncontrovertible evidence that gets widespread publicity.

So, please stop dismissing or diminishing the importance of what Snowden has given up his life as he knew it--and maybe soon, his life--to do.

Also, please get back to me after you do something useful to society that requires that much personal sacrifice, while also putting you at risk for torture (Bradley Manning), life imprisonment and/or the death penalty.

Manning has already received a prize. Kirakiou has been advising Snowden from Loreto prison not to make the same mistakes as Kiriakou did. Ellsberg has said that he would have left the country too, if the situation and climate when he released the Pentagon Papers were the same as they are today.

If a Republican were in office, Manning, Kirakiou and Snowden would be heroes to about half the US population. Instead, the left and the extreme right are united, as the left trades principle for party. Again.

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