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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-13 04:33 AM
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5. Well, between Republican Pres Herbert Hoover and Republican Prez Eisehnower,
there was a man who got re-elected so many times, including while he was literally half dead. Pissed our unprofessional professional politicians so much, they rushed to amend the Constitution, to make sure no one got elected that many times again.

Still, Eisenhower was a douche, IMO. Seems a lot better in hindsight. And that DU3 thread is fact-impaired.

Eisenhower and MacArthur were the generals who brutalized World War I veterans who demonstrated in Washington, D.C. to receive the bonus money they had been promised during the Depression, when they and their families desperately needed it.

They set up camp. Hoover, whom the revisionists have desperately been trying to whitewash since Dummya took office, called in the military. Because of the whitewash, we'll probably never know which orders he gave, unless maybe we dig up some old newspapers. However, the modern version of the story is that he "only" wanted them dispersed and the two generals supposedly took it on themselves to wrech their camps, destroy their belongings and brutalize them.

Of course, Ike got a lot of glory in WWII, which is probably the sole reason why he was elected President.

Ike's nominee to the SCOTUS was Republican Earl Warren who, as AG of California, had been responsible for interning the Japanese, which will give folks an idea of just how "liberal" Ike actually was. Ironically, and to Ike's great dismay, Warren turned out to head what just may be the most liberal Supreme Court ever, in terms of both civil rights and First Amendment rights, including the "implied" freedom of association."

He stopped at re-distribution of wealth, however, refusing to use equal rights as an excuse to mess with school districts so that the kids in poorer districts got a playing field that was more level with the kids lucky enough to attend public school in the richer districts. He was correct, IMO, that doing something like that was not the function of a court, as opposed to a legislature, let alone the federal Supreme Court.

Republicans want to give him credit for implementing Brown v. Board of Ed. However, the facts are that he delayed implementing Brown v. Board of Ed. until there was public outcry and Eleanor Roosevelt visited the White House to beg him.


Earl Warren wrote in his autobiography of a gathering of (white) Southerners they attended together. Ike said to him, "See, Earl, these are nice people. They just don't want their little girls sitting next to some big black gorilla." (or words to that effect. I don't have the quote handy, but I am almost 100% sure "gorilla" was the word Ike used. I am 100% sure that, whatever term he used, Ike's comment to Warren was racist.

When asked what the biggest mistake of his 8 years in office was, he cited appointing Earl Warren, the Chief Justice who had presided over the school integration decision. Though my Democratic friends seem to adore citing the MIC speech he gave on his very last day as President, he did not cite being career military all his life and doing absolutely nothing to curb the MIC during the 8 years he spent in the Oval Office. Nope. He cited nominating Earl Warren, who had presided over the SCOTUS that overruled Plessy v. Ferguson, after far too many years, as to public school education. (Attorney for the kids, btw, Thurgood Marshall, who later sat on the same Court as the first African American SCOTUS Justice, thanks to a nomination by Pres. John F. Kennedy.

Of course, Eisenhower also chose a dirty trickster at his Vice President. And his reaction to the insanity of Joe McCarthy seemed to be to pretend it wasn't happening, with one little exception--himself and his advisors. To protect them--and no one else--from McCarthy, Ike had used Executive Privilege. That had been so weak in Lincoln's Day that Lincoln actually testified before Congress that his own wife was not aiding the South. No claim of either Executive Privilege or common law spousal privilege.

Ike took that anemic little doctrine and expanded it to make sure that McCarthy didn't trouble Ike and Ike's inner circle. He let the rest of the country fend for itself, though. And so we have Ike and his selfish cowardice to "thank" for a very expanded version of Executive Privilege which Prez. Nixon was happy to try to use as a shield, until a federal judge told him he had to produce the infamous tapes.

Anyhoo. I think the folks who look back to Ike with such fondness could use some history lessons. Plus, but for FDR's spectacular popularity, one can only shudder to imagine what the first Republican elected after Herbert Hoover would have been like. So, if you liked Ike, (a) thank Franklin and Democrats in Congress; and (b) brush up Ike's history and record, outside of WWII.

This is another post that I have written too many times at DU. I hope I remember to bookmark it later so that I never have to write it again.

My earlier posts had links, but there's just so many times I am going to do that.
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