Jakes Progress
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Jun-25-12 11:26 PM
Response to Reply #78 |
|
Not the old "Obama is a helpless tool of the Congress" defense again. Was he a helpless tool when he had both houses? If he can't get stuff done, then just maybe he wasn't the man for the job. Or maybe, he just didn't really want to get stuff done. Either he can't stand up to republican asshats or he sort of agrees with them on some things. He certainly buys into their education program. He certainly buys into their spying on us for our own good. He certainly buys into their idea that we should protect the drug companies and their profits and that we shouldn't have a single payer system. (Check the recently released emails).
Or maybe he would like to run a progressive agenda but just doesn't have the skills.
Airing your principle-free support is being an enabler. Can you point me to posts where you took Obama to task and called him out on his ineptitude or right-wing capitulation? I can show you the posts I put up praising his progressive actions. All of the fan-boy support without condition was a big part of convincing his political team that they could and should go after the left with name-calling attacks. You just didn't believe him when he told you he wanted you to tell him when he strayed from the right path. He needed fan people to love him when he gave in, those people needed a hero. It's called co-dependency.
I voted for Obama. I spent hundreds of hours campaigning for him. I get to say what I think about his performance. If you hire a guy to do a job and he doesn't do it very well, he won't get better if you never tell him you want him to do so.
|
| -Whether Or Not to Vote for Obama – Two Sides of the Question |
Time for change |
Jun-19-12 04:43 PM |
#0 |
 -
Thoughtful well-researched post. Good to see you post here. |
madfloridian |
Jun-19-12 07:24 PM |
#1 |
  -
Thank you |
Time for change |
Jun-19-12 08:51 PM |
#3 |
| -
Even if all of your gibberish were to be completely true |
mercymechap |
Jun-19-12 07:54 PM |
#2 |
| -
Gibberish? |
Time for change |
Jun-19-12 08:54 PM |
#4 |
| -
Let's say that I don't believe your statement regarding |
mercymechap |
Jun-21-12 01:26 AM |
#26 |
| -
It is not Time for Change's statement about torture. Amnesty International |
No Elephants |
Jun-23-12 05:38 PM |
#86 |
| -
What Time for Change did not include in his post was |
mercymechap |
Jun-25-12 04:38 PM |
#87 |
| -
Attacking republicans on a Dem forum. How brave. |
Jakes Progress |
Jun-19-12 09:46 PM |
#5 |
| -
It doesn't take rocket science to figure out that |
mercymechap |
Jun-21-12 12:45 AM |
#21 |
| -
Amazingly simple. |
Jakes Progress |
Jun-21-12 01:04 AM |
#22 |
| -
You have a problem with a one party system in the United States? |
No Elephants |
Jun-21-12 01:10 AM |
#24 |
| -
So your suggestion is to allow a Republican to take over |
mercymechap |
Jun-21-12 01:37 AM |
#27 |
| -
Straw man reasoning. Neither the OP nor Jakes Progress said anything like that. |
No Elephants |
Jun-21-12 02:12 AM |
#31 |
| -
So, I guess if it isn't written down in black and white |
mercymechap |
Jun-21-12 06:01 PM |
#43 |
| -
The OP's title "Time for A Change" doesn't imply that |
mercymechap |
Jun-21-12 06:20 PM |
#45 |
| -
"Time for change" is my screen name |
Time for change |
Jun-21-12 09:48 PM |
#53 |
| -
Don't confuse us with factual information! |
No Elephants |
Jun-22-12 05:04 AM |
#70 |
| -
Okay, sorry about that, after reading your post and seeing |
mercymechap |
Jun-22-12 09:01 PM |
#72 |
| -
The OP may be my friend? LOL! |
No Elephants |
Jun-22-12 12:39 AM |
#58 |
| -
Self delete. |
No Elephants |
Jun-22-12 05:02 AM |
#69 |
| -
You don't read with much understanding. |
Jakes Progress |
Jun-21-12 03:49 PM |
#39 |
| -
I'm not trying to misrepresent. What do you expect from |
mercymechap |
Jun-21-12 06:09 PM |
#44 |
| -
Stop flailing. |
No Elephants |
Jun-22-12 12:46 AM |
#59 |
| -
Now you are making up stuff. It's okay for you to claim |
mercymechap |
Jun-22-12 09:06 PM |
#73 |
| -
Bullshit. You posted, "I don't expect people that dis Obama to be on my side, usually those are |
No Elephants |
Jun-23-12 04:33 PM |
#83 |
| -
Putting yourself on the side of a Republican does |
mercymechap |
Jun-26-12 06:04 PM |
#89 |
| -
Whether you agree or disagree with the OP, it is about as far from gibberish as a GD post has ever |
No Elephants |
Jun-20-12 07:14 AM |
#9 |
| -
Mercy didn't agree or disagree. |
Jakes Progress |
Jun-21-12 01:06 AM |
#23 |
| -
..... |
No Elephants |
Jun-21-12 01:12 AM |
#25 |
| -
As opposed to the group think that Obama stinks |
mercymechap |
Jun-21-12 01:39 AM |
#28 |
| -
As far as I can tell, that group exists only in your mind, so I will let you deal with it. |
No Elephants |
Jun-21-12 02:14 AM |
#32 |
| -
And as I have pointed out to you and others |
mercymechap |
Jun-21-12 06:27 PM |
#46 |
| -
I never blamed Obama for the march of the Democratic Party to the right. Read the thread. |
No Elephants |
Jun-22-12 12:50 AM |
#60 |
| -
Still wading in the shallow pool of thought? |
Jakes Progress |
Jun-21-12 03:53 PM |
#40 |
| -
Well, when you answer some of my questions instead of |
mercymechap |
Jun-21-12 06:47 PM |
#49 |
| -
I agree! |
Stellar |
Jun-20-12 05:49 PM |
#17 |
| -
Agree with what? |
Jakes Progress |
Jun-21-12 03:55 PM |
#41 |
| -
I gotta add the Education issue to the list. |
Jakes Progress |
Jun-19-12 10:04 PM |
#6 |
| -
That issue is killing me. Few care how teachers and public schools are hurting. |
madfloridian |
Jun-19-12 11:05 PM |
#7 |
| -
The galling part |
Jakes Progress |
Jun-19-12 11:51 PM |
#8 |
| -
What hath third way wrought? Two major political parties that desperately try to occupy the right. |
No Elephants |
Jun-20-12 07:19 AM |
#10 |
| -
Excellent points |
Time for change |
Jun-20-12 02:14 PM |
#13 |
| -
I feel your pain. Jake's and madfloridian's, too. Sadly the issue is not, IMO, limited to our |
No Elephants |
Jun-20-12 07:21 AM |
#11 |
| -
Absolutely |
Time for change |
Jun-20-12 02:19 PM |
#14 |
| -
Money has been running government since at least 1990 if not 1690. |
No Elephants |
Jun-21-12 02:11 AM |
#30 |
| -
I agree with you that money has had highly disproporionate influence in our political system |
Time for change |
Jun-21-12 08:38 AM |
#35 |
| -
I doubt our government is unique in that respect. It's just that we've been told a different story |
No Elephants |
Jun-22-12 12:58 AM |
#61 |
| -
Not many substantive posts have received five recs at DU2 in recent months |
No Elephants |
Jun-20-12 09:32 AM |
#12 |
| -
What does "better" and "worse" mean? |
JoseGaspar |
Jun-20-12 02:28 PM |
#15 |
| -
It means that a DINO is preferable to someone who accurately characterizes his or her politics. |
No Elephants |
Jun-21-12 02:33 AM |
#33 |
| -
OK, what does "DINO" mean? |
JoseGaspar |
Jun-21-12 12:47 PM |
#37 |
| -
Maybe my post was not clear, despite the second sentence. I don't know if you and I |
No Elephants |
Jun-22-12 01:26 AM |
#62 |
| -
People wanted another FDR, but even FDR needed to be pushed. |
AndyTiedye |
Jun-20-12 04:42 PM |
#16 |
| -
You can't get to Obama to push him. |
Jakes Progress |
Jun-20-12 11:18 PM |
#18 |
| -
I call them Republicrats and Demlicans. |
No Elephants |
Jun-20-12 11:31 PM |
#20 |
| -
Obama is nothing like FDR--and trying to push Obama gets nowhere. |
No Elephants |
Jun-20-12 11:27 PM |
#19 |
| -
Here, I think you need to read the following |
mercymechap |
Jun-21-12 01:47 AM |
#29 |
| -
LOL! |
No Elephants |
Jun-21-12 02:54 AM |
#34 |
| -
I would rather spend time with a positive attitude than |
mercymechap |
Jun-21-12 06:54 PM |
#50 |
| -
You think that you've been displaying a positive attitufde on this thread? |
No Elephants |
Jun-22-12 01:35 AM |
#63 |
| -
Why don't you read the post that I'm responding to before |
mercymechap |
Jun-22-12 09:14 PM |
#74 |
| -
Telling me to read the post the you were responding to? I WROTE it. |
No Elephants |
Jun-23-12 04:11 PM |
#82 |
| -
Well, only a moron wouldn't remember what they posted. |
mercymechap |
Jun-26-12 06:10 PM |
#90 |
| -
So you are judge and jury now? |
madfloridian |
Jun-21-12 11:57 AM |
#36 |
| -
I'll do the same thing to you that others on this thread |
mercymechap |
Jun-21-12 06:33 PM |
#47 |
| -
His user name is Time for Change. He's an outstanding long time poster. |
madfloridian |
Jun-21-12 08:00 PM |
#52 |
| -
I'm sure he is an outstanding person, but to date he has |
mercymechap |
Jun-22-12 09:30 PM |
#75 |
| -
Except that you are doing something that you've both mocked and complained about |
No Elephants |
Jun-22-12 04:16 AM |
#64 |
| -
Oh, I get it, you get to accuse me of doing something I didn't |
mercymechap |
Jun-22-12 09:37 PM |
#76 |
| -
First, no one accused you of doing something you did not do. Second, |
No Elephants |
Jun-23-12 05:13 PM |
#84 |
| -
No real issue for me. I have to hold my nose and vote for him. |
dtexdem |
Jun-21-12 01:26 PM |
#38 |
| -
Yes, but |
Time for change |
Jun-21-12 04:35 PM |
#42 |
| -
You must really be naive, to think that Obama or anyone |
mercymechap |
Jun-21-12 06:58 PM |
#51 |
| -
If enough people expressed their displeasure with Obama for his rightward leanings |
Time for change |
Jun-21-12 10:00 PM |
#54 |
| -
Now now. Don't go confusing things with logic and thinking. |
Jakes Progress |
Jun-21-12 10:01 PM |
#55 |
| -
Perhaps, but they will have more of an impact if they are |
mercymechap |
Jun-22-12 09:46 PM |
#77 |
| -
Everything is not about Obama. Even in an election year. |
madfloridian |
Jun-22-12 10:28 PM |
#80 |
| -
You must really be cynical to think that people don't make a difference. |
Jakes Progress |
Jun-21-12 10:13 PM |
#56 |
| -
You really are stretching yourself thin when you accuse me |
mercymechap |
Jun-22-12 09:57 PM |
#78 |
| -
Puh-leese |
Jakes Progress |
Jun-25-12 11:26 PM |
#88 |
| -
You are calling Time for Change naive? LOL! |
No Elephants |
Jun-22-12 04:33 AM |
#66 |
| -
I will have to give you credit for at least being honest. |
mercymechap |
Jun-21-12 06:39 PM |
#48 |
| -
You think that people who believe Obama is too far to the right will vote Republican? |
No Elephants |
Jun-22-12 04:34 AM |
#67 |
| -
Now, where did I even say that? |
mercymechap |
Jun-22-12 10:02 PM |
#79 |
| -
In the post to which I replied. |
No Elephants |
Jun-23-12 05:26 PM |
#85 |
| -
Romney was my Governor. Didn't like him. Still don't. But I doubt he did |
No Elephants |
Jun-22-12 04:30 AM |
#65 |
| -
Too late to edit, but, just for clarification, I never voted for Romney and will not be voting for |
No Elephants |
Jun-22-12 08:25 AM |
#71 |
| -
As always a K&R for your thought provoking posts TFC ... |
slipslidingaway |
Jun-22-12 12:08 AM |
#57 |
| -
Your OP is well researched, well analyzed and well presented. It deserved responses |
No Elephants |
Jun-22-12 04:49 AM |
#68 |
| -
Glad you are posting again! |
DemReadingDU |
Jun-23-12 06:04 AM |
#81 |
| -
Thanks for this informative and timely essay. |
Lasher |
Jun-27-12 12:47 PM |
#91 |
Printer-friendly format
Email this thread to a friend
Bookmark this thread