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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-12 08:38 AM
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35. I agree with you that money has had highly disproporionate influence in our political system
for a very long time -- well before Citizens United. Citizens United did make the system worse, but reversing that decision alone will fall far short of solving the problem.

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  -Whether Or Not to Vote for Obama Two Sides of the Question Time for change  Jun-19-12 04:43 PM   #0 
  - Thoughtful well-researched post. Good to see you post here.  madfloridian   Jun-19-12 07:24 PM   #1 
  - Thank you  Time for change   Jun-19-12 08:51 PM   #3 
  - Even if all of your gibberish were to be completely true  mercymechap   Jun-19-12 07:54 PM   #2 
  - Gibberish?  Time for change   Jun-19-12 08:54 PM   #4 
  - Let's say that I don't believe your statement regarding  mercymechap   Jun-21-12 01:26 AM   #26 
     - It is not Time for Change's statement about torture. Amnesty International  No Elephants   Jun-23-12 05:38 PM   #86 
        - What Time for Change did not include in his post was  mercymechap   Jun-25-12 04:38 PM   #87 
  - Attacking republicans on a Dem forum. How brave.  Jakes Progress   Jun-19-12 09:46 PM   #5 
  - It doesn't take rocket science to figure out that  mercymechap   Jun-21-12 12:45 AM   #21 
     - Amazingly simple.  Jakes Progress   Jun-21-12 01:04 AM   #22 
        - You have a problem with a one party system in the United States?  No Elephants   Jun-21-12 01:10 AM   #24 
        - So your suggestion is to allow a Republican to take over  mercymechap   Jun-21-12 01:37 AM   #27 
           - Straw man reasoning. Neither the OP nor Jakes Progress said anything like that.  No Elephants   Jun-21-12 02:12 AM   #31 
           - So, I guess if it isn't written down in black and white  mercymechap   Jun-21-12 06:01 PM   #43 
           - The OP's title "Time for A Change" doesn't imply that  mercymechap   Jun-21-12 06:20 PM   #45 
              - "Time for change" is my screen name  Time for change   Jun-21-12 09:48 PM   #53 
              - Don't confuse us with factual information!  No Elephants   Jun-22-12 05:04 AM   #70 
              - Okay, sorry about that, after reading your post and seeing  mercymechap   Jun-22-12 09:01 PM   #72 
              - The OP may be my friend? LOL!  No Elephants   Jun-22-12 12:39 AM   #58 
              - Self delete.  No Elephants   Jun-22-12 05:02 AM   #69 
           - You don't read with much understanding.  Jakes Progress   Jun-21-12 03:49 PM   #39 
              - I'm not trying to misrepresent. What do you expect from  mercymechap   Jun-21-12 06:09 PM   #44 
                 - Stop flailing.  No Elephants   Jun-22-12 12:46 AM   #59 
                    - Now you are making up stuff. It's okay for you to claim  mercymechap   Jun-22-12 09:06 PM   #73 
                       - Bullshit. You posted, "I don't expect people that dis Obama to be on my side, usually those are  No Elephants   Jun-23-12 04:33 PM   #83 
                          - Putting yourself on the side of a Republican does  mercymechap   Jun-26-12 06:04 PM   #89 
  - Whether you agree or disagree with the OP, it is about as far from gibberish as a GD post has ever  No Elephants   Jun-20-12 07:14 AM   #9 
  - Mercy didn't agree or disagree.  Jakes Progress   Jun-21-12 01:06 AM   #23 
     - .....  No Elephants   Jun-21-12 01:12 AM   #25 
     - As opposed to the group think that Obama stinks  mercymechap   Jun-21-12 01:39 AM   #28 
        - As far as I can tell, that group exists only in your mind, so I will let you deal with it.  No Elephants   Jun-21-12 02:14 AM   #32 
        - And as I have pointed out to you and others  mercymechap   Jun-21-12 06:27 PM   #46 
           - I never blamed Obama for the march of the Democratic Party to the right. Read the thread.  No Elephants   Jun-22-12 12:50 AM   #60 
        - Still wading in the shallow pool of thought?  Jakes Progress   Jun-21-12 03:53 PM   #40 
           - Well, when you answer some of my questions instead of  mercymechap   Jun-21-12 06:47 PM   #49 
  - I agree!  Stellar   Jun-20-12 05:49 PM   #17 
     - Agree with what?  Jakes Progress   Jun-21-12 03:55 PM   #41 
  - I gotta add the Education issue to the list.  Jakes Progress   Jun-19-12 10:04 PM   #6 
  - That issue is killing me. Few care how teachers and public schools are hurting.  madfloridian   Jun-19-12 11:05 PM   #7 
  - The galling part  Jakes Progress   Jun-19-12 11:51 PM   #8 
     - What hath third way wrought? Two major political parties that desperately try to occupy the right.  No Elephants   Jun-20-12 07:19 AM   #10 
  - Excellent points  Time for change   Jun-20-12 02:14 PM   #13 
  - I feel your pain. Jake's and madfloridian's, too. Sadly the issue is not, IMO, limited to our  No Elephants   Jun-20-12 07:21 AM   #11 
  - Absolutely  Time for change   Jun-20-12 02:19 PM   #14 
     - Money has been running government since at least 1990 if not 1690.  No Elephants   Jun-21-12 02:11 AM   #30 
        - I agree with you that money has had highly disproporionate influence in our political system  Time for change   Jun-21-12 08:38 AM   #35 
           - I doubt our government is unique in that respect. It's just that we've been told a different story  No Elephants   Jun-22-12 12:58 AM   #61 
  - Not many substantive posts have received five recs at DU2 in recent months  No Elephants   Jun-20-12 09:32 AM   #12 
  - What does "better" and "worse" mean?  JoseGaspar   Jun-20-12 02:28 PM   #15 
  - It means that a DINO is preferable to someone who accurately characterizes his or her politics.  No Elephants   Jun-21-12 02:33 AM   #33 
     - OK, what does "DINO" mean?  JoseGaspar   Jun-21-12 12:47 PM   #37 
        - Maybe my post was not clear, despite the second sentence. I don't know if you and I  No Elephants   Jun-22-12 01:26 AM   #62 
  - People wanted another FDR, but even FDR needed to be pushed.  AndyTiedye   Jun-20-12 04:42 PM   #16 
  - You can't get to Obama to push him.  Jakes Progress   Jun-20-12 11:18 PM   #18 
  - I call them Republicrats and Demlicans.  No Elephants   Jun-20-12 11:31 PM   #20 
  - Obama is nothing like FDR--and trying to push Obama gets nowhere.  No Elephants   Jun-20-12 11:27 PM   #19 
  - Here, I think you need to read the following  mercymechap   Jun-21-12 01:47 AM   #29 
  - LOL!  No Elephants   Jun-21-12 02:54 AM   #34 
  - I would rather spend time with a positive attitude than  mercymechap   Jun-21-12 06:54 PM   #50 
     - You think that you've been displaying a positive attitufde on this thread?  No Elephants   Jun-22-12 01:35 AM   #63 
        - Why don't you read the post that I'm responding to before  mercymechap   Jun-22-12 09:14 PM   #74 
           - Telling me to read the post the you were responding to? I WROTE it.  No Elephants   Jun-23-12 04:11 PM   #82 
              - Well, only a moron wouldn't remember what they posted.  mercymechap   Jun-26-12 06:10 PM   #90 
  - So you are judge and jury now?  madfloridian   Jun-21-12 11:57 AM   #36 
     - I'll do the same thing to you that others on this thread  mercymechap   Jun-21-12 06:33 PM   #47 
        - His user name is Time for Change. He's an outstanding long time poster.  madfloridian   Jun-21-12 08:00 PM   #52 
        - I'm sure he is an outstanding person, but to date he has  mercymechap   Jun-22-12 09:30 PM   #75 
        - Except that you are doing something that you've both mocked and complained about  No Elephants   Jun-22-12 04:16 AM   #64 
           - Oh, I get it, you get to accuse me of doing something I didn't  mercymechap   Jun-22-12 09:37 PM   #76 
              - First, no one accused you of doing something you did not do. Second,  No Elephants   Jun-23-12 05:13 PM   #84 
  - No real issue for me. I have to hold my nose and vote for him.  dtexdem   Jun-21-12 01:26 PM   #38 
  - Yes, but  Time for change   Jun-21-12 04:35 PM   #42 
  - You must really be naive, to think that Obama or anyone  mercymechap   Jun-21-12 06:58 PM   #51 
     - If enough people expressed their displeasure with Obama for his rightward leanings  Time for change   Jun-21-12 10:00 PM   #54 
     - Now now. Don't go confusing things with logic and thinking.  Jakes Progress   Jun-21-12 10:01 PM   #55 
     - Perhaps, but they will have more of an impact if they are  mercymechap   Jun-22-12 09:46 PM   #77 
        - Everything is not about Obama. Even in an election year.  madfloridian   Jun-22-12 10:28 PM   #80 
     - You must really be cynical to think that people don't make a difference.  Jakes Progress   Jun-21-12 10:13 PM   #56 
     - You really are stretching yourself thin when you accuse me  mercymechap   Jun-22-12 09:57 PM   #78 
        - Puh-leese  Jakes Progress   Jun-25-12 11:26 PM   #88 
     - You are calling Time for Change naive? LOL!  No Elephants   Jun-22-12 04:33 AM   #66 
  - I will have to give you credit for at least being honest.  mercymechap   Jun-21-12 06:39 PM   #48 
  - You think that people who believe Obama is too far to the right will vote Republican?  No Elephants   Jun-22-12 04:34 AM   #67 
     - Now, where did I even say that?  mercymechap   Jun-22-12 10:02 PM   #79 
        - In the post to which I replied.  No Elephants   Jun-23-12 05:26 PM   #85 
  - Romney was my Governor. Didn't like him. Still don't. But I doubt he did  No Elephants   Jun-22-12 04:30 AM   #65 
     - Too late to edit, but, just for clarification, I never voted for Romney and will not be voting for  No Elephants   Jun-22-12 08:25 AM   #71 
  - As always a K&R for your thought provoking posts TFC ...  slipslidingaway   Jun-22-12 12:08 AM   #57 
  - Your OP is well researched, well analyzed and well presented. It deserved responses  No Elephants   Jun-22-12 04:49 AM   #68 
  - Glad you are posting again!  DemReadingDU   Jun-23-12 06:04 AM   #81 
  - Thanks for this informative and timely essay.  Lasher   Jun-27-12 12:47 PM   #91 
 

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