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JoseGaspar Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-12 02:28 PM
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15. What does "better" and "worse" mean?

I read somewhere, once - perhaps it was on Democratic Underground - that low-income Republican voters were stupid because they vote "against their own interests". It seems to me that what is good for the goose is also gander bait. The question for Democratic voters is precisely the same. How have those interests fared during the last 10, 20, 40 or even 60 years? How have they fared under Republicans and how have they fared under Democrats?

To be more precise, since the 1970s:

Has the position of working people improved?
Has unionization been strengthened?
Has basic equality advanced (and by equality is meant economic equality, first and foremost)?
What has been the story on war, militarization, and the defense budget?
What has actually happened on housing, education, health care, poverty, culture...?
Have the prisons shrunk and schools grown?


All talk of who intended or tried to do what is simple soap opera. All focus on personalities is simple diversion.

If you vote against your interests you simply invoke Einstein's Maxim.

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  -Whether Or Not to Vote for Obama Two Sides of the Question Time for change  Jun-19-12 04:43 PM   #0 
  - Thoughtful well-researched post. Good to see you post here.  madfloridian   Jun-19-12 07:24 PM   #1 
  - Thank you  Time for change   Jun-19-12 08:51 PM   #3 
  - Even if all of your gibberish were to be completely true  mercymechap   Jun-19-12 07:54 PM   #2 
  - Gibberish?  Time for change   Jun-19-12 08:54 PM   #4 
  - Let's say that I don't believe your statement regarding  mercymechap   Jun-21-12 01:26 AM   #26 
     - It is not Time for Change's statement about torture. Amnesty International  No Elephants   Jun-23-12 05:38 PM   #86 
        - What Time for Change did not include in his post was  mercymechap   Jun-25-12 04:38 PM   #87 
  - Attacking republicans on a Dem forum. How brave.  Jakes Progress   Jun-19-12 09:46 PM   #5 
  - It doesn't take rocket science to figure out that  mercymechap   Jun-21-12 12:45 AM   #21 
     - Amazingly simple.  Jakes Progress   Jun-21-12 01:04 AM   #22 
        - You have a problem with a one party system in the United States?  No Elephants   Jun-21-12 01:10 AM   #24 
        - So your suggestion is to allow a Republican to take over  mercymechap   Jun-21-12 01:37 AM   #27 
           - Straw man reasoning. Neither the OP nor Jakes Progress said anything like that.  No Elephants   Jun-21-12 02:12 AM   #31 
           - So, I guess if it isn't written down in black and white  mercymechap   Jun-21-12 06:01 PM   #43 
           - The OP's title "Time for A Change" doesn't imply that  mercymechap   Jun-21-12 06:20 PM   #45 
              - "Time for change" is my screen name  Time for change   Jun-21-12 09:48 PM   #53 
              - Don't confuse us with factual information!  No Elephants   Jun-22-12 05:04 AM   #70 
              - Okay, sorry about that, after reading your post and seeing  mercymechap   Jun-22-12 09:01 PM   #72 
              - The OP may be my friend? LOL!  No Elephants   Jun-22-12 12:39 AM   #58 
              - Self delete.  No Elephants   Jun-22-12 05:02 AM   #69 
           - You don't read with much understanding.  Jakes Progress   Jun-21-12 03:49 PM   #39 
              - I'm not trying to misrepresent. What do you expect from  mercymechap   Jun-21-12 06:09 PM   #44 
                 - Stop flailing.  No Elephants   Jun-22-12 12:46 AM   #59 
                    - Now you are making up stuff. It's okay for you to claim  mercymechap   Jun-22-12 09:06 PM   #73 
                       - Bullshit. You posted, "I don't expect people that dis Obama to be on my side, usually those are  No Elephants   Jun-23-12 04:33 PM   #83 
                          - Putting yourself on the side of a Republican does  mercymechap   Jun-26-12 06:04 PM   #89 
  - Whether you agree or disagree with the OP, it is about as far from gibberish as a GD post has ever  No Elephants   Jun-20-12 07:14 AM   #9 
  - Mercy didn't agree or disagree.  Jakes Progress   Jun-21-12 01:06 AM   #23 
     - .....  No Elephants   Jun-21-12 01:12 AM   #25 
     - As opposed to the group think that Obama stinks  mercymechap   Jun-21-12 01:39 AM   #28 
        - As far as I can tell, that group exists only in your mind, so I will let you deal with it.  No Elephants   Jun-21-12 02:14 AM   #32 
        - And as I have pointed out to you and others  mercymechap   Jun-21-12 06:27 PM   #46 
           - I never blamed Obama for the march of the Democratic Party to the right. Read the thread.  No Elephants   Jun-22-12 12:50 AM   #60 
        - Still wading in the shallow pool of thought?  Jakes Progress   Jun-21-12 03:53 PM   #40 
           - Well, when you answer some of my questions instead of  mercymechap   Jun-21-12 06:47 PM   #49 
  - I agree!  Stellar   Jun-20-12 05:49 PM   #17 
     - Agree with what?  Jakes Progress   Jun-21-12 03:55 PM   #41 
  - I gotta add the Education issue to the list.  Jakes Progress   Jun-19-12 10:04 PM   #6 
  - That issue is killing me. Few care how teachers and public schools are hurting.  madfloridian   Jun-19-12 11:05 PM   #7 
  - The galling part  Jakes Progress   Jun-19-12 11:51 PM   #8 
     - What hath third way wrought? Two major political parties that desperately try to occupy the right.  No Elephants   Jun-20-12 07:19 AM   #10 
  - Excellent points  Time for change   Jun-20-12 02:14 PM   #13 
  - I feel your pain. Jake's and madfloridian's, too. Sadly the issue is not, IMO, limited to our  No Elephants   Jun-20-12 07:21 AM   #11 
  - Absolutely  Time for change   Jun-20-12 02:19 PM   #14 
     - Money has been running government since at least 1990 if not 1690.  No Elephants   Jun-21-12 02:11 AM   #30 
        - I agree with you that money has had highly disproporionate influence in our political system  Time for change   Jun-21-12 08:38 AM   #35 
           - I doubt our government is unique in that respect. It's just that we've been told a different story  No Elephants   Jun-22-12 12:58 AM   #61 
  - Not many substantive posts have received five recs at DU2 in recent months  No Elephants   Jun-20-12 09:32 AM   #12 
  - What does "better" and "worse" mean?  JoseGaspar   Jun-20-12 02:28 PM   #15 
  - It means that a DINO is preferable to someone who accurately characterizes his or her politics.  No Elephants   Jun-21-12 02:33 AM   #33 
     - OK, what does "DINO" mean?  JoseGaspar   Jun-21-12 12:47 PM   #37 
        - Maybe my post was not clear, despite the second sentence. I don't know if you and I  No Elephants   Jun-22-12 01:26 AM   #62 
  - People wanted another FDR, but even FDR needed to be pushed.  AndyTiedye   Jun-20-12 04:42 PM   #16 
  - You can't get to Obama to push him.  Jakes Progress   Jun-20-12 11:18 PM   #18 
  - I call them Republicrats and Demlicans.  No Elephants   Jun-20-12 11:31 PM   #20 
  - Obama is nothing like FDR--and trying to push Obama gets nowhere.  No Elephants   Jun-20-12 11:27 PM   #19 
  - Here, I think you need to read the following  mercymechap   Jun-21-12 01:47 AM   #29 
  - LOL!  No Elephants   Jun-21-12 02:54 AM   #34 
  - I would rather spend time with a positive attitude than  mercymechap   Jun-21-12 06:54 PM   #50 
     - You think that you've been displaying a positive attitufde on this thread?  No Elephants   Jun-22-12 01:35 AM   #63 
        - Why don't you read the post that I'm responding to before  mercymechap   Jun-22-12 09:14 PM   #74 
           - Telling me to read the post the you were responding to? I WROTE it.  No Elephants   Jun-23-12 04:11 PM   #82 
              - Well, only a moron wouldn't remember what they posted.  mercymechap   Jun-26-12 06:10 PM   #90 
  - So you are judge and jury now?  madfloridian   Jun-21-12 11:57 AM   #36 
     - I'll do the same thing to you that others on this thread  mercymechap   Jun-21-12 06:33 PM   #47 
        - His user name is Time for Change. He's an outstanding long time poster.  madfloridian   Jun-21-12 08:00 PM   #52 
        - I'm sure he is an outstanding person, but to date he has  mercymechap   Jun-22-12 09:30 PM   #75 
        - Except that you are doing something that you've both mocked and complained about  No Elephants   Jun-22-12 04:16 AM   #64 
           - Oh, I get it, you get to accuse me of doing something I didn't  mercymechap   Jun-22-12 09:37 PM   #76 
              - First, no one accused you of doing something you did not do. Second,  No Elephants   Jun-23-12 05:13 PM   #84 
  - No real issue for me. I have to hold my nose and vote for him.  dtexdem   Jun-21-12 01:26 PM   #38 
  - Yes, but  Time for change   Jun-21-12 04:35 PM   #42 
  - You must really be naive, to think that Obama or anyone  mercymechap   Jun-21-12 06:58 PM   #51 
     - If enough people expressed their displeasure with Obama for his rightward leanings  Time for change   Jun-21-12 10:00 PM   #54 
     - Now now. Don't go confusing things with logic and thinking.  Jakes Progress   Jun-21-12 10:01 PM   #55 
     - Perhaps, but they will have more of an impact if they are  mercymechap   Jun-22-12 09:46 PM   #77 
        - Everything is not about Obama. Even in an election year.  madfloridian   Jun-22-12 10:28 PM   #80 
     - You must really be cynical to think that people don't make a difference.  Jakes Progress   Jun-21-12 10:13 PM   #56 
     - You really are stretching yourself thin when you accuse me  mercymechap   Jun-22-12 09:57 PM   #78 
        - Puh-leese  Jakes Progress   Jun-25-12 11:26 PM   #88 
     - You are calling Time for Change naive? LOL!  No Elephants   Jun-22-12 04:33 AM   #66 
  - I will have to give you credit for at least being honest.  mercymechap   Jun-21-12 06:39 PM   #48 
  - You think that people who believe Obama is too far to the right will vote Republican?  No Elephants   Jun-22-12 04:34 AM   #67 
     - Now, where did I even say that?  mercymechap   Jun-22-12 10:02 PM   #79 
        - In the post to which I replied.  No Elephants   Jun-23-12 05:26 PM   #85 
  - Romney was my Governor. Didn't like him. Still don't. But I doubt he did  No Elephants   Jun-22-12 04:30 AM   #65 
     - Too late to edit, but, just for clarification, I never voted for Romney and will not be voting for  No Elephants   Jun-22-12 08:25 AM   #71 
  - As always a K&R for your thought provoking posts TFC ...  slipslidingaway   Jun-22-12 12:08 AM   #57 
  - Your OP is well researched, well analyzed and well presented. It deserved responses  No Elephants   Jun-22-12 04:49 AM   #68 
  - Glad you are posting again!  DemReadingDU   Jun-23-12 06:04 AM   #81 
  - Thanks for this informative and timely essay.  Lasher   Jun-27-12 12:47 PM   #91 

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