Reply #9: It's all very sad.

[ellisonz]

I think Miller still pops up from time to time.

I think all four of the people you describe could be seen as having "antics" and that does not help their cause. I think they do bear some fault for their demise. I don't think it ever helps to deny that they bore responsibility.

I'm guess I'm just too much of a traditionalist. I don't really look to those people as the great heroes of our time. I think there are many more who did it without using "antics." I don't look to the present for heroes, I look to the past, to history because I am skeptical of present judgments.

1an·tic
noun \ˈan-tik\
Definition of ANTIC
1
: an attention-drawing often wildly playful or funny act or action : caper <childish antics>
2
archaic : a performer of a grotesque or ludicrous part : buffoon

I think depends how we define reality in terms of determining truth, what is reality and who defines it? :shrug: