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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 07:52 AM
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7. Whether or not
By reading above, it appears that she gave the children far more and frequent ETC than was approved for even adults at the time. That would be entering the "torture" relm no matter how one regards this treatment when used under accepted guidelines.
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  -A modern true horror story: Dr. Lauretta Bender WildNovember  Dec-09-11 05:37 AM   #0 
  - What a monster.  fasttense   Dec-09-11 05:57 AM   #1 
  - Nazi's would too. Experimenting on the "undesirables" and all... nt  stillwaiting   Dec-09-11 10:25 AM   #21 
  - Wow, fascinating and truly horrific. All I can think about is my gorgeous redheaded  txwhitedove   Dec-09-11 06:00 AM   #2 
  - My autistic niece  get the red out   Dec-09-11 07:54 AM   #8 
     - back in the 50s she sould have been diagnosed with "Childhood Schizophrenia".  Odin2005   Dec-09-11 08:13 AM   #11 
  - ECT is not 'torture' - it is an accepted treatment for severe depression that is not responsive  Lance_Boyle   Dec-09-11 06:32 AM   #3 
  - ECT *is* torture, and it should not be a medically accepted procedure.  Leftist Agitator   Dec-09-11 07:27 AM   #5 
  - Tell that to the people who benefit from it who otherwise would suffer with intractable  Lance_Boyle   Dec-09-11 07:54 AM   #9 
  - What is its "cure" rate?  LiberalEsto   Dec-09-11 08:16 AM   #12 
     - It is not a cure. It is a treatment. Benefits usually last for a matter of weeks. n/t  Lance_Boyle   Dec-09-11 08:46 AM   #17 
  - I had a similar experience with a relative. It IS torture, it is a horrorshow.  WildNovember   Dec-09-11 12:50 PM   #26 
     - Hmmm. Weeks of *not* suffering severe depression versus weeks of suffering severe depression...  Lance_Boyle   Dec-09-11 01:28 PM   #33 
        - You act as if the person has some quality of life in those "weeks" instead of being reduced  WildNovember   Dec-09-11 01:46 PM   #36 
           - You act as if ECT has not been a proven effective therapy for severe depression for decades.  Lance_Boyle   Dec-09-11 02:01 PM   #40 
              - "Proven" by monsters like Bender. I have a relative who was "treated". I know  WildNovember   Dec-09-11 02:04 PM   #42 
                 - I've never heard of insulin comas before  Lunacee2012   Dec-10-11 03:50 AM   #76 
                    - Insulin Coma Therapy:  polly7   Dec-10-11 07:12 AM   #78 
  - Whether or not  get the red out   Dec-09-11 07:52 AM   #7 
  - Knowing two cases who had it forced on them by their families for not following their religious  freshwest   Dec-09-11 08:38 AM   #16 
     - I agree  get the red out   Dec-09-11 10:30 AM   #22 
     - And they've always got calling those who expose them crazy. Fortunately Ted Chabasinski overcame.  freshwest   Dec-09-11 01:18 PM   #31 
     - Thank you. When I read that guy's story and then read about Bender and  WildNovember   Dec-09-11 12:58 PM   #27 
     - I am really glad you posted that. I've dealt with various people in my life in the professions, but  freshwest   Dec-09-11 01:30 PM   #35 
     - I agree with you 100%, and I too know someone it was done to.  Alameda   Dec-09-11 10:54 PM   #68 
     - +1000  bengalherder   Dec-09-11 11:06 PM   #69 
  - The administration of ECT should be a class 1 felony.  Dawson Leery   Dec-09-11 01:26 PM   #32 
  - Insane. Educate yourself. n/t  Lance_Boyle   Dec-09-11 01:29 PM   #34 
     - Perfectly sane.  Dawson Leery   Dec-09-11 01:51 PM   #37 
     - Oh, that takes the cake. "Educate yourself." Yes, maybe I should read more of Dr. Bender's  WildNovember   Dec-09-11 01:54 PM   #38 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-09-11 02:02 PM   #41 
           - Run away, run away. A "proven therapy" my ass.  WildNovember   Dec-09-11 02:12 PM   #43 
           - See here:  Leftist Agitator   Dec-09-11 05:35 PM   #53 
              - thanks for providing this  FirstLight   Dec-09-11 07:11 PM   #56 
                 - You are quite welcome.  Leftist Agitator   Dec-10-11 09:15 AM   #79 
  - I think you're confusing the two ...  Fantastic Anarchist   Dec-09-11 07:54 PM   #58 
  - You're right, though the OP refers to involuntary experimentation which can be torture  maximusveritas   Dec-09-11 10:14 PM   #66 
  - My relative got ECT around 2000. No beneficial effects. Quite obvious and lasting harmful effects.  WildNovember   Dec-10-11 01:00 AM   #73 
  - That's the NEW, short pulse version.  Occulus   Dec-09-11 10:23 PM   #67 
  - It is torture when carried out in the manner described in the OP.  Crunchy Frog   Dec-10-11 02:47 AM   #75 
  - There was no approved ECT therapy for this type of childhood illness. She was EXPERIMENTING  fasttense   Dec-10-11 05:05 AM   #77 
  - Proof that minors MUST get advise from doctors and  Bluenorthwest   Dec-09-11 06:57 AM   #4 
  - God, those poor kids.  polly7   Dec-09-11 07:51 AM   #6 
  - I'd like to know what happened to those kids  LiberalEsto   Dec-09-11 08:17 AM   #13 
  - I wonder, too. I can't imagine many were able to go on to normal lives. nt.  polly7   Dec-09-11 08:27 AM   #14 
  - Someone should commission a study on them  LiberalEsto   Dec-09-11 08:37 AM   #15 
     - Jacqueline Susann's autistic son was one.  WildNovember   Dec-10-11 01:45 AM   #74 
  - Here is one.  bengalherder   Dec-10-11 12:33 PM   #81 
  - That's your "respected scientist", your great intellectual. Any mother would be more observant.  WildNovember   Dec-09-11 01:01 PM   #29 
     - Yes, absolutely.  polly7   Dec-09-11 03:52 PM   #48 
  - Barbaric. Oh, and "childhood Schizophrenia" was a common label for autistic kids back in the 50s.  Odin2005   Dec-09-11 08:10 AM   #10 
  - Does this remind you of the huge "outbreak" of ADHD/ADD in kids today?  dixiegrrrrl   Dec-09-11 08:48 AM   #18 
  - Yes.  Odin2005   Dec-09-11 12:28 PM   #25 
     - Last week it was reported a 7 yr old was arrested in school for ..farting!!!  dixiegrrrrl   Dec-09-11 03:59 PM   #49 
        - I was paddled with a wooden stick in Junior High for farting gym class.  Fantastic Anarchist   Dec-09-11 08:06 PM   #61 
  - Yes!! My autistic brother was labeled "childhood schizophrenic" for decades, beginning in the 1960s.  demodonkey   Dec-09-11 08:02 PM   #60 
  - Sorry for your loss. I can understand your feelings to some extent as I also had a relative  WildNovember   Dec-09-11 08:30 PM   #64 
  - Oh, I'm so sorry!!!  Odin2005   Dec-10-11 09:48 AM   #80 
  - Yup. N/T  bengalherder   Dec-10-11 12:38 PM   #82 
  - I just realized this type of situation is one reason I am very  hedgehog   Dec-09-11 08:53 AM   #19 
  - And it isn't just "the best and brightest". Like the officious social worker in this story who  WildNovember   Dec-09-11 01:07 PM   #30 
  - Donald Ewen Cameron and the connection to the Inhanced Interrogation Program  formercia   Dec-09-11 10:15 AM   #20 
  - Donald Ewen Cameron .... torturer extraordinaire.  polly7   Dec-09-11 10:49 AM   #23 
     - Duplessis Orphans  formercia   Dec-09-11 12:10 PM   #24 
        - Another case where children were falsely labeled as mentally ill & experimented on.  WildNovember   Dec-09-11 02:01 PM   #39 
        - Yes, that's just a horrible story.  polly7   Dec-09-11 02:53 PM   #45 
           - The government was the one funding the orphanages and doing the experimentation though.  WildNovember   Dec-09-11 02:57 PM   #46 
           - Yes, I realize that. However, the orphanages received money to commit  polly7   Dec-09-11 03:02 PM   #47 
           - Thanks for this information  musette_sf   Dec-09-11 04:06 PM   #50 
  - This post is a great example of one I would share from DU3 to my facebook....  Evasporque   Dec-09-11 01:01 PM   #28 
  - Wow.  Scurrilous   Dec-09-11 02:26 PM   #44 
  - The treatment of mental illness and childhood disorders was truly barbaric in those days  LeftishBrit   Dec-09-11 04:45 PM   #51 
  - I think it's a mistake to imagine that it was all "Long, long ago". This woman's  WildNovember   Dec-09-11 04:58 PM   #52 
  - Jesus Christ !  russspeakeasy   Dec-09-11 06:40 PM   #54 
  - I have no words!  GreenPartyVoter   Dec-09-11 06:47 PM   #55 
  - Fucking horrifying ...  Fantastic Anarchist   Dec-09-11 07:46 PM   #57 
  - That is seriously fucked up.  MedicalAdmin   Dec-09-11 07:59 PM   #59 
  - K & R !!!  WillyT   Dec-09-11 08:07 PM   #62 
  - thanks for posting this.  marasinghe   Dec-09-11 08:18 PM   #63 
  - Doctors peddling their "cures" for the unruly offspring  DissedByBush   Dec-09-11 09:52 PM   #65 
  - Sicko. It's awful that such a terrible person was considered a respected medical authority.  BlueIris   Dec-09-11 11:48 PM   #70 
  - Lauretta Bender = Josef Mengele -- NOT enough can be told about abuse of the mentally ill--!!  defendandprotect   Dec-09-11 11:59 PM   #71 
  - Experimentation on children is common  Project Willow   Dec-10-11 12:56 AM   #72 
 

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