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103. You're one of the consistently great posters, and your expertise in the field of
education is, to quote an old Sunday School song, "deep and wide."

I, too, find the changes in DU disturbing. People who would have been banned as freepers ten years ago (I've been on here since February or March 2001) are now serving as mods and getting other people banned. A couple of years ago, I was given a warning for noticing a conservative tag team of three that was taunting left-leaning posters with snarky, insubstantial posts.

My political opinions have not changed since about the early 1980s, when I left graduate school, where I had been exposed to a lot of new ideas, especially while living in Japan, and started working as both an industrial and clerical temp, which exposed me to the worst aspects of our economic system. Ever since those days, I have advocated progressive taxation, single-payer health care, a humane foreign policy based on peace and mutual respect, fair trade instead of "free" trade, and equal opportunity for every American child to receive the same kind of education that rich kids get. These ideals have not changed. But they went from being considered Robert Kennedy Democratic to being considered so far off the political spectrum that Karl Marx would disavow them.

This place is still a great source of news, but I think that with the Republicans going into complete Cloud Cuckoo Land mode, a lot of former Republicans have come over to the Democrats. When I hear someone say, "I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative, pro business, and for a strong defense," I hear a person who would have been a mainstream country club Republican before the Reagan era.

The old-style Republicans tend to have more money than the old-style Democrats, so they have taken over the Democratic Party. I got the first inklings of that in the reactions to Dennis Kucinich and Howard Dean in the 2004 election season.

Those of us who are to the left of what used to be mainstream Republicanism are now politically homeless.

The only thing that keeps me voting DFL (as a Minnesotan) is that my Congressman is Keith Ellison and my state legislators are wonderful. Otherwise, I find the Socialists more in line with the opinions that I have held (and learned from experience both overseas and in the U.S.) for over thirty years.

Sigh, what's a poor homeless Democrat to do?

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  -A 9 yr DU journey...going from too moderate to too liberal to fit in. madfloridian  Dec-07-11 08:16 PM   #0 
  - it's called growing.  barbtries   Dec-07-11 08:19 PM   #1 
  - +1  rtassi   Dec-08-11 04:04 PM   #151 
  - Growing ... being fickle...  iamthebandfanman   Dec-13-11 06:12 PM   #205 
  - I enjoy and appreciate your posts very much.  yardwork   Dec-07-11 08:22 PM   #2 
  - Love ya, mad...  tnlefty   Dec-07-11 08:22 PM   #3 
  - Very good analysis of actuality, or truth. I don't know where to go either.  northoftheborder   Dec-07-11 08:23 PM   #4 
  - +1 for integrity nt  tblue   Dec-08-11 01:04 PM   #129 
  - It would be a huge mistake ....  defendandprotect   Dec-08-11 03:45 PM   #148 
     - I tend to agree. The fartherest left (socialists)  socialist_n_TN   Dec-10-11 08:00 PM   #193 
     - it has gone beyond humoring them into pandering to them  SwampG8r   Dec-31-11 12:12 AM   #212 
  - K&R  EFerrari   Dec-07-11 08:27 PM   #5 
  - I for one appreciate your point of view, madfloridian..  Fumesucker   Dec-07-11 08:31 PM   #6 
  - I've always been pretty far out on the freak-side  malthaussen   Dec-07-11 08:32 PM   #7 
  - I started out too liberal but I've learned to be more, um...  mike_c   Dec-07-11 08:33 PM   #8 
  - good post  quinnox   Dec-07-11 08:38 PM   #9 
  - Your posts were some of the first I read when I landed  Cleita   Dec-07-11 08:42 PM   #10 
  - I am surprised I am here considering how many posts I've had  Rex   Dec-07-11 08:44 PM   #11 
  - I think that politics, as a whole, have shifted further right in the last 10 + years  The Genealogist   Dec-07-11 08:46 PM   #12 
  - My biggest nightmare  malthaussen   Dec-07-11 09:21 PM   #15 
  - Do yourself a favor and look up the actual numbers for FoxNews  Bluenorthwest   Dec-08-11 07:11 AM   #82 
  - Prosperity makes conservatives.  aquart   Dec-08-11 01:49 AM   #49 
  - But so does fear  quakerboy   Dec-08-11 04:36 AM   #63 
  - So, if the nation is so far to the right--  eridani   Dec-08-11 04:34 AM   #62 
  - Pick an issue  quakerboy   Dec-08-11 04:39 AM   #64 
  - The overall trend is to supporting gay rights  eridani   Dec-08-11 06:17 AM   #72 
     - Have we won the popular vote on that one in any state so far?  quakerboy   Dec-09-11 09:13 PM   #189 
  - Answers: a) They benefit personally and b) they don't pay personally.  Pholus   Dec-08-11 07:07 AM   #81 
     - 80% progressive opinions among Dems is pretty good  eridani   Dec-08-11 03:09 PM   #141 
        - Well, I wouldn't interpret it as strongly as you do.  Pholus   Dec-08-11 08:36 PM   #174 
           - This is also true. Remember that these are people who commonly say  eridani   Dec-09-11 06:22 AM   #182 
  - I think a lot of Americans are more liberal than they realize,  CrispyQ   Dec-08-11 10:11 AM   #104 
  - Actually, not -- this is a liberal nation -- and OWS is the proof of that -- !!  defendandprotect   Dec-08-11 03:55 PM   #149 
  - Glad I missed Cowan on C-Span. Yes, they do control the party now.  madfloridian   Dec-22-11 06:52 PM   #206 
  - The political parties have shifted to the right, but NOT the public  sabrina 1   Dec-08-11 04:32 PM   #157 
  - Public opinion on those issues does a complete 180 after Frank Luntz gets done with re-wording  Hippo_Tron   Dec-09-11 12:13 AM   #180 
  - Well said.  madfloridian   Dec-10-11 10:44 AM   #190 
  - I always just thought of myself as a democrat  newspeak   Dec-10-11 11:14 AM   #191 
  - with the help of a corporate media  newspeak   Dec-12-11 08:29 AM   #196 
  - The party made a huge lurch to the right when Obama was sworn in.  Marr   Dec-12-11 11:56 AM   #200 
  - Brava!  Stinky The Clown   Dec-07-11 09:13 PM   #13 
  - Kick and recommend and sympathize.  progressoid   Dec-07-11 09:18 PM   #14 
  - I have been going to socialist meetups.  immoderate   Dec-07-11 09:31 PM   #16 
  - K&R  Solly Mack   Dec-07-11 09:34 PM   #17 
  - rec., dammit!  KG   Dec-07-11 09:37 PM   #18 
  - Well, whatever you are, you are an esteemed, valued, Democratic wonder n/t  UTUSN   Dec-07-11 09:40 PM   #19 
  - There is something indeed wrong with this picture, but it is inherent in our system.  BzaDem   Dec-07-11 09:46 PM   #20 
  - The de facto  sulphurdunn   Dec-08-11 05:39 AM   #68 
     - You are correct. The Washington crowd likes to pretend that  Bluenorthwest   Dec-08-11 07:04 AM   #80 
     - It might have had to do with this a year ago. Not now.  BzaDem   Dec-08-11 04:04 PM   #152 
  - I have to say that you are one of the DU'ers who has literally laid the groundwork  Horse with no Name   Dec-07-11 10:02 PM   #21 
  - Nice words. I guess I have reached a point in life where only truth matters.  madfloridian   Dec-13-11 12:16 PM   #203 
  - Well done!  Warpy   Dec-07-11 10:03 PM   #22 
  - Kick & Rec!  jannyk   Dec-07-11 10:12 PM   #23 
  - Thank you for this post  MedleyMisty   Dec-07-11 10:12 PM   #24 
  - What are you - some kind of danged pinko?!  man4allcats   Dec-07-11 10:25 PM   #25 
  - I love your post.  femrap   Dec-07-11 10:30 PM   #26 
  - I'm with you on the "none of the above" thing.  kath   Dec-08-11 12:30 AM   #43 
     - I am with you both on 'none of the above'. nt  SammyWinstonJack   Dec-08-11 09:05 AM   #98 
  - K&R! Thanks for teaching us so much here at D.U.  midnight   Dec-07-11 10:45 PM   #27 
  - Please stay  Ken Burch   Dec-07-11 10:47 PM   #28 
  - Couldn't be truer -- but do you see the depth of intimidation  defendandprotect   Dec-08-11 04:08 PM   #154 
  - We must have taken the same train,  mmonk   Dec-07-11 10:52 PM   #29 
  - your posts are great  RainDog   Dec-07-11 10:55 PM   #30 
  - I love reading your posts and journals  Irishonly   Dec-07-11 11:16 PM   #31 
  - K&R. nt  OnyxCollie   Dec-07-11 11:25 PM   #32 
  - k&r  Starry Messenger   Dec-07-11 11:40 PM   #33 
  - Recommend  xchrom   Dec-07-11 11:42 PM   #34 
  - You are one of my favorite DUers, MadFloridian  clyrc   Dec-07-11 11:54 PM   #35 
  - Very true. And I think the party has bounded centerward sometime during the Clinton Presidency.  Fearless   Dec-08-11 12:00 AM   #36 
  - I've been following your education posts. Thanks.  mojowork_n   Dec-08-11 12:03 AM   #37 
  - I completely understand the feeling.  blackspade   Dec-08-11 12:03 AM   #38 
  - some of us are here for the "Democratic" and some for the "underground"  lumberjack_jeff   Dec-08-11 12:03 AM   #39 
  - Take heart Mad....this place would not be the same without you  ooglymoogly   Dec-08-11 12:06 AM   #40 
  - America wants a nation run according to very liberal standards --  defendandprotect   Dec-08-11 03:59 PM   # 
  - "Die Revolution frisst ihre Kinder auf"  DFW   Dec-08-11 12:07 AM   #41 
  - Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad.  Jakes Progress   Dec-08-11 12:20 AM   #42 
  - I've been there with you.  ellisonz   Dec-08-11 12:32 AM   #44 
  - The older I get the more liberal I get... when I move back to FL, we can be a party of  JCMach1   Dec-08-11 12:57 AM   #45 
  - A fantastic post from one of DU's best. Thank you madfloridian. Thank you.  Luminous Animal   Dec-08-11 01:06 AM   #46 
  - Excellent post  slay   Dec-08-11 01:18 AM   #47 
  - +1  Hell Hath No Fury   Dec-08-11 10:29 AM   #105 
  - That's what happens if you don't succumb to "amoral party drift"  Bonobo   Dec-08-11 01:34 AM   #48 
  - I don't understand what the person at the Kos blog said that bothered you.  Major Hogwash   Dec-08-11 01:59 AM   #50 
  - K & R. Yes, I am sad at what is now happening, and that's all that I can say.  freshwest   Dec-08-11 01:59 AM   #51 
  - You were not alone on your journey  emsimon33   Dec-08-11 02:01 AM   #52 
  - I'll take one issue. I want a liberal education system.  boppers   Dec-08-11 02:06 AM   #53 
  - Recommended  me b zola   Dec-08-11 02:15 AM   #54 
  - Wise, wise words. True not only for DU, but for the entire country  RufusTFirefly   Dec-08-11 08:31 AM   #97 
  - +1  Ignis   Dec-08-11 12:14 PM   #122 
  - K&R  libmom74   Dec-08-11 02:46 AM   #55 
  - I actually have grown more liberal the longer I stay with DU...  WCGreen   Dec-08-11 02:55 AM   #56 
  - Love your soul. Thanks for sharing it so freely.  BeHereNow   Dec-08-11 03:02 AM   #57 
  - MadFloridian, will you still be on the DU3? I am not sure if I will make the switch.  Leopolds Ghost   Dec-08-11 03:31 AM   #58 
  - I don't know.  madfloridian   Dec-08-11 11:44 PM   #179 
  - I've seen the same............  HowHeThinks   Dec-08-11 03:52 AM   #59 
  - I went from your standard bleeding heart liberal to a more radical position  WildNovember   Dec-08-11 04:08 AM   #60 
  - Mad you are a Dem moderate imo  mntleo2   Dec-08-11 04:17 AM   #61 
  - I'm seeing a rightward drift here as well  eridani   Dec-08-11 04:57 AM   #65 
  - thank you  irisblue   Dec-08-11 05:07 AM   #66 
  - You`re right, it has been a strange trip.  democrank   Dec-08-11 05:33 AM   #67 
  - The vast majority of posts on this thread are responses to you.  randome   Dec-08-11 05:45 AM   #69 
  - +++  DemReadingDU   Dec-08-11 06:00 AM   #70 
  - Excellent post, madflo  MissDeeds   Dec-08-11 06:08 AM   #71 
  - I honestly don't think you are at odds with the majority..  Little Star   Dec-08-11 06:18 AM   #73 
  - True -- and it's unbelievable that so many here feel INTIMIDATED by the RW NOISE machine -- !!  defendandprotect   Dec-08-11 04:05 PM   #153 
  - As far as personal journeys I grew up in a union household.  TBF   Dec-08-11 06:39 AM   #74 
  - I'm a radical liberal leftie...  ananda   Dec-08-11 06:49 AM   #75 
  - I'm with you! n/t  BridgeTheGap   Dec-08-11 06:53 AM   #76 
  - Recommended.  H2O Man   Dec-08-11 06:58 AM   #77 
  - K&R.  City Lights   Dec-08-11 07:01 AM   #78 
  - You're not alone Mad! Came here at the same time you did -  axollot   Dec-08-11 07:02 AM   #79 
  - Totally Understand  pmorlan1   Dec-08-11 07:14 AM   #83 
  - I came back from self-imposed exile to tell you how much I have appreciated your words!  Pholus   Dec-08-11 07:16 AM   #84 
  - I feel much the same way- minus any republican influences  Marrah_G   Dec-08-11 07:16 AM   #85 
  - Well met, fellow traveler, but the journey is far from over.  Tansy_Gold   Dec-08-11 07:29 AM   #86 
  - You are simply excellent on educational subjects, so much of  Bluenorthwest   Dec-08-11 07:42 AM   #87 
  - Thank you for this wonderful and timely post, mad!  LiberalEsto   Dec-08-11 07:44 AM   #88 
  - The choice issue is going to hurt the Democratic party  proud2BlibKansan   Dec-08-11 07:49 AM   #89 
  - It will...and  madfloridian   Dec-08-11 11:12 PM   #178 
  - i have discovered that not fitting in is good.  dembotoz   Dec-08-11 07:54 AM   #90 
  - That's my journey, too.  LWolf   Dec-08-11 07:57 AM   #91 
  - I still dig what you say, so I'm too liberal, too, I suppose...  MrMickeysMom   Dec-08-11 08:03 AM   #92 
  - Agree completely, Mad ... and it's disconcerting to see.  Myrina   Dec-08-11 08:05 AM   #93 
  - +1  Little Star   Dec-08-11 11:09 AM   #110 
  - Thanks for your thoughts mad...  russspeakeasy   Dec-08-11 08:15 AM   #94 
  - Me, too, and I don't know what to do about it to effectively change  Vinca   Dec-08-11 08:18 AM   #95 
  - k&r  polichick   Dec-08-11 08:20 AM   #96 
  - To paraphrase Steve Jobs, "Stay hungry, stay mad!"  FailureToCommunicate   Dec-08-11 09:05 AM   #99 
  - Maybe you're too liberal for the paid operatives but not for the real people liberals.  valerief   Dec-08-11 09:18 AM   #100 
  - The only disagreement is with tenure  ccavagnolo   Dec-08-11 09:22 AM   #101 
  - I enjoy your posts, Mad. nt  raccoon   Dec-08-11 10:07 AM   #102 
  - You're one of the consistently great posters, and your expertise in the field of  Lydia Leftcoast   Dec-08-11 10:10 AM   #103 
  - I'm still stunned how easy it's been to sell privatization to the American public.  CrispyQ   Dec-08-11 10:30 AM   #106 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-08-11 10:34 AM   #107 
  - Thank you!  jopacaco   Dec-08-11 10:34 AM   #108 
  - I think that is what exposure to Truth does --  Hell Hath No Fury   Dec-08-11 11:03 AM   #109 
  - As a 2001'er....I understand so well what you say. n/t  KoKo   Dec-08-11 03:21 PM   #144 
  - I must confess I do not pay  xxqqqzme   Dec-08-11 11:11 AM   #111 
  - It's a vocal (probably organized), strident, shrill minority here at DU...  FredStembottom   Dec-08-11 11:12 AM   #112 
  - Yes, I agree that unfortunately it works.  madfloridian   Dec-09-11 03:15 PM   #186 
  - As long as you still believe we landed on the moon and planes really did hit the WTC  snooper2   Dec-08-11 11:13 AM   #113 
  - "the president is consulting with the Catholic bishops on birth control rights for women"  Mimosa   Dec-08-11 11:14 AM   #114 
  - You certainly have never seemed too critical to me  Generic Other   Dec-08-11 11:15 AM   #115 
  - There's nothing wrong with your set...  Octafish   Dec-08-11 11:20 AM   #116 
  - As an LGBT person,  Zorra   Dec-08-11 11:27 AM   #117 
  - I'm a fellow traveller MF  swilton   Dec-08-11 11:53 AM   #118 
  - I've always considered myself kind of centrist by DU standards.  KamaAina   Dec-08-11 11:53 AM   #119 
  - IMO Obama's victory in 2008 has caused the forum to go downhill.  Odin2005   Dec-08-11 12:04 PM   #120 
  - Would the last progressive to leave DU please turn the lights off.  Fly by night   Dec-08-11 12:08 PM   #121 
  - Yes, it is  Missy Vixen   Dec-08-11 12:54 PM   #128 
  - Revolutionaries  Anatos   Dec-08-11 12:36 PM   #123 
  - Sorry, but the "correction" is not only --  Hell Hath No Fury   Dec-08-11 01:25 PM   #131 
     - "Fewer" works like that  Anatos   Dec-08-11 02:57 PM   #140 
        - If 2008-2010 taught us anything  plantwomyn   Dec-08-11 04:17 PM   #155 
           - Quite the opposite  Anatos   Dec-09-11 10:32 AM   #183 
  - Outstanding post! ... Thank you, MF.  Bozita   Dec-08-11 12:40 PM   #124 
  - The well-written responses show that some had good teachers.  AnotherMcIntosh   Dec-08-11 12:47 PM   #125 
  - Welcome to DU!  demmiblue   Dec-08-11 01:28 PM   #133 
  - Thanks, friend.  AnotherMcIntosh   Dec-08-11 02:12 PM   #138 
  - Welcome to DU!!!  Renew Deal   Dec-08-11 10:57 PM   #175 
  - Very kind words.  madfloridian   Dec-08-11 11:06 PM   #176 
  - Although I've been a LIBERAL for over 40 years and only been at DU for 3+ years your words resonate.  bertman   Dec-08-11 12:49 PM   #126 
  - I've been here since Inauguration Weekend 11 years ago  Missy Vixen   Dec-08-11 12:51 PM   #127 
  - This could be me saying these words, I totally agree with you.  WHEN CRABS ROAR   Dec-08-11 01:22 PM   #130 
  - K&R n/t  myrna minx   Dec-08-11 01:25 PM   #132 
  - madfloridian  Diclotican   Dec-08-11 01:28 PM   #134 
  - Well said and I agree!  LongTomH   Dec-08-11 01:46 PM   #135 
  - The more informed you are AND honest with yourself about what the  Jefferson23   Dec-08-11 01:58 PM   #136 
  - And don't you change one darn bit madfloridian!  Jazzgirl   Dec-08-11 02:04 PM   #137 
  - A Great post for the Greatest Threads!  FloriTexan   Dec-08-11 02:56 PM   #139 
  - I joined in 2003. You're one of the reasons I stay here  concord   Dec-08-11 03:15 PM   #142 
  - I am with you all the way Mad. But what the hell we goina do about it. Why or how has the Democratic  rhett o rick   Dec-08-11 03:21 PM   #143 
  - Thanks for this post MadFloridian. It's very timely and appreciated...  KoKo   Dec-08-11 03:34 PM   #145 
  - Me, too!  chervilant   Dec-08-11 08:07 PM   #172 
  - This is a liberal nation ... how could you NOT fit in? Look at OWS -- !!  defendandprotect   Dec-08-11 03:35 PM   #146 
  - You speak for me, madfloridian, and apparently for a lot of other  JDPriestly   Dec-08-11 03:35 PM   #147 
  - Good story. I've never been a church goer that much. Growing up I disliked religion.  craigmatic   Dec-08-11 03:59 PM   #150 
  - Well, you're one of a select few on my 'Buddy' list...  truebrit71   Dec-08-11 04:19 PM   #156 
  - K&R !!! n/t  RKP5637   Dec-08-11 05:28 PM   #158 
  - Great post!  Taverner   Dec-08-11 05:29 PM   #159 
  - K&R n/t  louslobbs   Dec-08-11 05:33 PM   #160 
  - K&R...  awoke_in_2003   Dec-08-11 05:44 PM   #161 
  - yup 10+yr journey for me...i'm progressive+ DU is  katty   Dec-08-11 05:50 PM   #162 
  - K&R  demmiblue   Dec-08-11 05:52 PM   #163 
  - Love your informed opinion  hapkidogal   Dec-08-11 06:00 PM   #164 
  - I think the number of Republicans posting increased when Obama won.  McCamy Taylor   Dec-08-11 06:00 PM   #165 
  - This resonates with me. Good post. Hope you stick around.  harun   Dec-08-11 06:31 PM   #166 
  - You speak of party stances and I say  Angry Dragon   Dec-08-11 06:37 PM   #167 
  - Perhaps because we've gone from "right side/wrong side" thinking...  TheMadMonk   Dec-08-11 06:38 PM   #168 
  - Great OP. Keep those posts coming. n/t  Paka   Dec-08-11 06:42 PM   #169 
  - Good for you. Reagan was my first vote for President for  davidwparker   Dec-08-11 06:44 PM   #170 
  - Don't worry. When a Republican is re-elected, all of a sudden Democrats will be liberal again. nt  krabigirl   Dec-08-11 07:14 PM   #171 
  - You noticed that, too?  madfloridian   Dec-09-11 07:06 PM   #187 
  - For me as well  davidthegnome   Dec-08-11 08:24 PM   #173 
  - ....  madfloridian   Dec-09-11 09:11 PM   #188 
  - So, the 312 people here reccing this feel too liberal here?  joshcryer   Dec-08-11 11:08 PM   #177 
  - I believe that the reason for this is basically the corporatism in the party.  Zorra   Dec-09-11 11:08 AM   #185 
  - I went thru a similar process myself.  AverageJoe90   Dec-09-11 12:54 AM   #181 
  - During the build-up to the Iraq Invasion of 2003....  madfloridian   Dec-10-11 05:43 PM   #192 
  - I remember those early days, and your "spiritual growth"!  PassingFair   Dec-09-11 10:44 AM   #184 
  - Been a lot of years, hasn't it?  madfloridian   Dec-12-11 12:47 AM   #194 
  - It's weird, huh?  ladyVet   Dec-12-11 07:55 AM   #195 
  - Mostly because our democratic party moved ....  Bryn   Dec-12-11 11:36 AM   #197 
  - That first frame of the cartoon could so easily apply.  madfloridian   Dec-12-11 11:42 AM   #198 
  - Wow your last sentence, so true: if you favor free education, you are a creep, I learned last week.  closeupready   Dec-12-11 11:53 AM   #199 
  - What a Long, Strange Trip its Been!  bvar22   Dec-12-11 12:40 PM   #201 
  - Well said.."My Core Beliefs & Values haven't changed over the last 10 years."  madfloridian   Dec-12-11 12:45 PM   #202 
  - kickety  countryjake   Dec-13-11 05:48 PM   #204 
  - K&R  KoKo   Dec-22-11 06:56 PM   #207 
  - Seems OWS is not the only group that got forced out of their tent by the 1%.  Zorra   Dec-22-11 10:40 PM   #208 
  - Nice thoughtful post.  madfloridian   Dec-22-11 11:11 PM   #209 
  - A kick for "MF's Post" as we go into the final Countdown to "Lights Out, Here."  KoKo   Dec-30-11 07:13 PM   #210 
  - Kick  Bryn   Dec-30-11 10:41 PM   #211 

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