Armin-A
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Wed Dec-07-11 04:11 PM
Response to Reply #31 |
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America has been "under god" since we became free... in 1954...  personally i like the 1924 pledge |
| -So what do you think about "The Pledge of Allegiance" in public school? |
Cyrano |
Dec-07-11 02:03 PM |
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"Patriotism is the most foolish of passions, and the passion of fools." Schopenhauer |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Dec-07-11 02:07 PM |
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Agree completely, n/t |
condoleeza |
Dec-08-11 01:01 AM |
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I don't really care. |
Nye Bevan |
Dec-07-11 02:09 PM |
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Our Allegiance crisis is in BOARDrooms, not classrooms. |
HereSince1628 |
Dec-07-11 02:10 PM |
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Patriotism |
hamsterjill |
Dec-07-11 02:10 PM |
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athiests...? |
Armin-A |
Dec-07-11 02:13 PM |
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So should we not have anything referencing a higher power? |
hamsterjill |
Dec-07-11 02:21 PM |
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You try to say you don't care one way or the other, but you sound like you really do. |
eShirl |
Dec-07-11 02:32 PM |
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So what's the answer? |
hamsterjill |
Dec-07-11 02:47 PM |
#28 |
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look no further than the US Constitution itself |
Warren DeMontague |
Dec-07-11 03:43 PM |
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this... |
Armin-A |
Dec-07-11 04:00 PM |
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I think all references to "higher powers" are just un-necessary platitudes. |
Erose999 |
Dec-07-11 02:49 PM |
#30 |
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No. We should not, in the context of secular gov't. Is there a church shortage I'm not aware of? |
Warren DeMontague |
Dec-07-11 02:53 PM |
#32 |
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Start here -- what "religious values" does male-supremacist religion teach? |
defendandprotect |
Dec-07-11 09:15 PM |
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IF there is anything such as a "higher power" it is within ourselves ... not outside -- !! |
defendandprotect |
Dec-07-11 09:45 PM |
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Both "In God We Trust" and "under God" in the Pledge were added during the McCarthy era |
KamaAina |
Dec-08-11 11:14 AM |
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It has been made clear |
polmaven |
Dec-07-11 02:26 PM |
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a difference... |
Armin-A |
Dec-07-11 04:08 PM |
#43 |
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"Under God" is OPTIONAL -- but should be officially removed -- !! |
defendandprotect |
Dec-07-11 09:43 PM |
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This may be going off topic, but |
Lunacee2012 |
Dec-08-11 02:24 AM |
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care to link? |
Armin-A |
Dec-08-11 12:45 PM |
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Sorry, I don't have a link, just saw it on CNN while channel surfing. |
Lunacee2012 |
Dec-09-11 02:26 PM |
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nope from iowa |
Armin-A |
Dec-09-11 03:27 PM |
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Thank you for the "beautiful and unique landscapes" comment. |
Lunacee2012 |
Dec-09-11 04:53 PM |
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thanks |
Armin-A |
Dec-10-11 09:37 AM |
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So, you think the robotic daily repetition of a loyalty oath "instills patriotism?" |
markpkessinger |
Dec-07-11 02:38 PM |
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If you don't think it's indoctrination try sitting it out. |
immoderate |
Dec-07-11 09:20 PM |
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Your Words: "'God' could be defined as any higher power that someone believes in..." |
Warren DeMontague |
Dec-07-11 02:46 PM |
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The pledge of allegiance isn't patriotic |
jeff47 |
Dec-08-11 08:59 AM |
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Good point. nt |
CJCRANE |
Dec-09-11 03:46 PM |
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Should read the Constitution together instead. |
woo me with science |
Dec-07-11 02:10 PM |
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Great idea, but the Bill of Rights is shorter and more to the point. |
Cyrano |
Dec-07-11 02:27 PM |
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Why do math on a regular basis either? |
woo me with science |
Dec-07-11 02:34 PM |
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Well, let me try this |
Cyrano |
Dec-07-11 02:44 PM |
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I think... |
woo me with science |
Dec-07-11 02:48 PM |
#29 |
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......you have outdone yourself |
Armin-A |
Dec-07-11 04:14 PM |
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I don't like the pledge either. I am a substitute teacher in a suburban |
LibDemAlways |
Dec-07-11 02:13 PM |
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+1 |
Armin-A |
Dec-07-11 02:14 PM |
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the star spangled banner |
DonCoquixote |
Dec-07-11 05:32 PM |
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+1 -- |
defendandprotect |
Dec-07-11 09:51 PM |
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Your first paragraph got me to think a bit |
treestar |
Dec-09-11 02:31 PM |
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My boys refused to do it because of the way we raised them. |
DevonRex |
Dec-07-11 02:15 PM |
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You aint't wrong. The unreccers have proven that. nt |
DCKit |
Dec-07-11 02:17 PM |
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Well, in my English school, we did have prayers (technically compulsory in British schools) but |
LeftishBrit |
Dec-07-11 02:20 PM |
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What a great series of memories! I hope you're passing these gems on to the next |
MADem |
Dec-07-11 05:02 PM |
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"Get your sparks at Mark and Sparks!" |
Arugula Latte |
Dec-08-11 11:32 AM |
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I pledged allegiance to the Constitution when I was inducted into the military in the early '70s... |
Journeyman |
Dec-07-11 02:20 PM |
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You never reenlisted, then? Or got promoted? |
MADem |
Dec-07-11 05:10 PM |
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It wasn't required when I received either of my two promotions . . . |
Journeyman |
Dec-07-11 05:27 PM |
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Leaving--no, unless you're taking a reserve appt. But you did at least SIGN an oath to promote. |
MADem |
Dec-07-11 05:42 PM |
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I didn't sign anything when I got promoted in the Marine Crotch. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Dec-08-11 10:16 AM |
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My son stopped saying the pledge in 6th Grade. Man, did he create a stink. |
in_cog_ni_to |
Dec-07-11 02:22 PM |
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most kids don't know the meaning of half of the words anyway - just being robots nt |
msongs |
Dec-07-11 02:24 PM |
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Which, for me, inspired... |
YvonneCa |
Dec-07-11 03:02 PM |
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I wouldn't recite it when I was a kid. I stood quietly. I got expelled from 6th grade. |
robinlynne |
Dec-07-11 02:27 PM |
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Whether it is called patriotism, tribalism, teaching the young, or brainwashing, to that |
Obamanaut |
Dec-07-11 02:35 PM |
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So a seven, or eight, or nine year old knows what "truth" is? And not |
Cyrano |
Dec-07-11 03:23 PM |
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Jesus! It is likely that a seven, eight , or nine year old has not yet had time |
Obamanaut |
Dec-07-11 05:49 PM |
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If you have to stand at attention with your hand over your heart, you're participating .... |
defendandprotect |
Dec-07-11 09:53 PM |
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And for something just as important |
kctim |
Dec-07-11 02:36 PM |
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I did |
JustAnotherGen |
Dec-07-11 02:38 PM |
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I don't like it but we have bigger battles to fight these days |
proud2BlibKansan |
Dec-07-11 02:40 PM |
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"Bigger battles" often start with small skirmishes |
Cyrano |
Dec-07-11 03:08 PM |
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This small battle is based on a large concept -- Separation of Church & State -- |
defendandprotect |
Dec-07-11 09:54 PM |
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1) No one should be FORCED to pledge anything, and 2) The original pledge is fine as was. |
Warren DeMontague |
Dec-07-11 02:50 PM |
#31 |
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but..... |
Armin-A |
Dec-07-11 04:11 PM |
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Actually, the original pledge has it's own problems |
jeff47 |
Dec-08-11 09:03 AM |
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It never washed my brain |
EC |
Dec-07-11 02:56 PM |
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I like the way they do the Pledge, now, at many schools. |
MADem |
Dec-07-11 03:01 PM |
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good idea |
Armin-A |
Dec-07-11 10:28 PM |
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Well, that's just a silly comment. Makes not one lick of sense. |
MADem |
Dec-07-11 10:40 PM |
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porkeys rendition is a-ok with me..... |
Froward69 |
Dec-07-11 03:18 PM |
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The Central Ohio public school I attended |
jdadd |
Dec-07-11 03:39 PM |
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I don't understand |
Spirochete |
Dec-07-11 03:46 PM |
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You mean you didn't make this statement every evening? |
ieoeja |
Dec-07-11 04:16 PM |
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I'm in favor of having the students recite the original: |
dtexdem |
Dec-07-11 04:14 PM |
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It's voluntary. I know. I had a homeroom. |
WinkyDink |
Dec-07-11 04:18 PM |
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+1. Any contretemps about it is as silly as "The War On Xmas." nt |
MADem |
Dec-07-11 04:58 PM |
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only thing i didn't like about it was if i was late and they had already started the pledge |
JI7 |
Dec-07-11 04:19 PM |
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God doesn't like it, it's idolatry. |
hunter |
Dec-07-11 04:57 PM |
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Our Friends school would agree with you. |
Patiod |
Dec-08-11 10:07 AM |
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lol - we not only have that we also have the allegiance to Texas oath |
TBF |
Dec-07-11 05:13 PM |
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I like it and wish that it were more common and widespread. |
Common Sense Party |
Dec-07-11 05:50 PM |
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tell it to your best bud: |
Gabi Hayes |
Dec-07-11 06:15 PM |
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Typical. |
Common Sense Party |
Dec-07-11 08:57 PM |
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what, don't you love your country and its authoritarian leaders? |
Gabi Hayes |
Dec-09-11 05:12 PM |
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What bothers me about the Pledge is simple |
malthaussen |
Dec-07-11 06:06 PM |
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I pledge allegiance to Mother Earth, one planet indivisible |
niyad |
Dec-07-11 06:15 PM |
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Brainwashing -- absolutely -- !! |
defendandprotect |
Dec-07-11 09:09 PM |
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I think they should force all kids to say it, |
JoeyT |
Dec-07-11 09:39 PM |
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So long as it's the pre 1950 version...............(n/t) |
SteveG |
Dec-07-11 09:41 PM |
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I refused to say it, starting in the 3rd grade. |
Solly Mack |
Dec-07-11 09:46 PM |
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I'm for it. |
Herlong |
Dec-07-11 09:49 PM |
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Just to put it in context, what other countries have anything similar? |
Fool Count |
Dec-07-11 09:56 PM |
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I pledge allegiance to liberty and justice for all... |
T S Justly |
Dec-08-11 02:32 AM |
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Hate it. |
Arugula Latte |
Dec-08-11 11:18 AM |
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At worst, it appears to be little more than a benign tradition |
LanternWaste |
Dec-08-11 11:24 AM |
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I don't mind it - the patriotic part is OK |
treestar |
Dec-09-11 02:29 PM |
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I think it's great. Honestly it's the sign of a cynical mind that can't understand |
DFab420 |
Dec-09-11 03:35 PM |
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It is most certainly brainwashing. |
timtom |
Dec-09-11 04:59 PM |
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