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Armin-A Donating Member (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 02:14 PM
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  -So what do you think about "The Pledge of Allegiance" in public school? Cyrano  Dec-07-11 02:03 PM   #0 
  - "Patriotism is the most foolish of passions, and the passion of fools." Schopenhauer  Tierra_y_Libertad   Dec-07-11 02:07 PM   #1 
  - Agree completely, n/t  condoleeza   Dec-08-11 01:01 AM   #79 
  - I don't really care.  Nye Bevan   Dec-07-11 02:09 PM   #2 
  - Our Allegiance crisis is in BOARDrooms, not classrooms.  HereSince1628   Dec-07-11 02:10 PM   #3 
  - Patriotism  hamsterjill   Dec-07-11 02:10 PM   #4 
  - athiests...?  Armin-A   Dec-07-11 02:13 PM   #7 
  - So should we not have anything referencing a higher power?  hamsterjill   Dec-07-11 02:21 PM   #13 
  - You try to say you don't care one way or the other, but you sound like you really do.  eShirl   Dec-07-11 02:32 PM   #19 
  - So what's the answer?  hamsterjill   Dec-07-11 02:47 PM   #28 
  - look no further than the US Constitution itself  Warren DeMontague   Dec-07-11 03:43 PM   #40 
  - this...  Armin-A   Dec-07-11 04:00 PM   #42 
  - I think all references to "higher powers" are just un-necessary platitudes.  Erose999   Dec-07-11 02:49 PM   #30 
  - No. We should not, in the context of secular gov't. Is there a church shortage I'm not aware of?  Warren DeMontague   Dec-07-11 02:53 PM   #32 
  - Start here -- what "religious values" does male-supremacist religion teach?  defendandprotect   Dec-07-11 09:15 PM   #65 
  - IF there is anything such as a "higher power" it is within ourselves ... not outside -- !!  defendandprotect   Dec-07-11 09:45 PM   #70 
  - Both "In God We Trust" and "under God" in the Pledge were added during the McCarthy era  KamaAina   Dec-08-11 11:14 AM   #86 
  - It has been made clear  polmaven   Dec-07-11 02:26 PM   #16 
  - a difference...  Armin-A   Dec-07-11 04:08 PM   #43 
  - "Under God" is OPTIONAL -- but should be officially removed -- !!  defendandprotect   Dec-07-11 09:43 PM   #69 
  - This may be going off topic, but  Lunacee2012   Dec-08-11 02:24 AM   #80 
     - care to link?  Armin-A   Dec-08-11 12:45 PM   #90 
        - Sorry, I don't have a link, just saw it on CNN while channel surfing.  Lunacee2012   Dec-09-11 02:26 PM   #91 
           - nope from iowa  Armin-A   Dec-09-11 03:27 PM   #94 
              - Thank you for the "beautiful and unique landscapes" comment.  Lunacee2012   Dec-09-11 04:53 PM   #97 
                 - thanks  Armin-A   Dec-10-11 09:37 AM   #100 
  - So, you think the robotic daily repetition of a loyalty oath "instills patriotism?"  markpkessinger   Dec-07-11 02:38 PM   #24 
  - If you don't think it's indoctrination try sitting it out.  immoderate   Dec-07-11 09:20 PM   #66 
  - Your Words: "'God' could be defined as any higher power that someone believes in..."  Warren DeMontague   Dec-07-11 02:46 PM   #27 
  - The pledge of allegiance isn't patriotic  jeff47   Dec-08-11 08:59 AM   #82 
     - Good point. nt  CJCRANE   Dec-09-11 03:46 PM   #96 
  - Should read the Constitution together instead.  woo me with science   Dec-07-11 02:10 PM   #5 
  - Great idea, but the Bill of Rights is shorter and more to the point.  Cyrano   Dec-07-11 02:27 PM   #17 
     - Why do math on a regular basis either?  woo me with science   Dec-07-11 02:34 PM   #20 
     - Well, let me try this  Cyrano   Dec-07-11 02:44 PM   #26 
        - I think...  woo me with science   Dec-07-11 02:48 PM   #29 
     - ......you have outdone yourself  Armin-A   Dec-07-11 04:14 PM   #46 
  - I don't like the pledge either. I am a substitute teacher in a suburban  LibDemAlways   Dec-07-11 02:13 PM   #6 
  - +1  Armin-A   Dec-07-11 02:14 PM   #8 
  - the star spangled banner  DonCoquixote   Dec-07-11 05:32 PM   #56 
  - +1 --  defendandprotect   Dec-07-11 09:51 PM   #73 
  - Your first paragraph got me to think a bit  treestar   Dec-09-11 02:31 PM   #93 
  - My boys refused to do it because of the way we raised them.  DevonRex   Dec-07-11 02:15 PM   #9 
  - You aint't wrong. The unreccers have proven that. nt  DCKit   Dec-07-11 02:17 PM   #10 
  - Well, in my English school, we did have prayers (technically compulsory in British schools) but  LeftishBrit   Dec-07-11 02:20 PM   #11 
  - What a great series of memories! I hope you're passing these gems on to the next  MADem   Dec-07-11 05:02 PM   #52 
  - "Get your sparks at Mark and Sparks!"  Arugula Latte   Dec-08-11 11:32 AM   #89 
  - I pledged allegiance to the Constitution when I was inducted into the military in the early '70s...  Journeyman   Dec-07-11 02:20 PM   #12 
  - You never reenlisted, then? Or got promoted?  MADem   Dec-07-11 05:10 PM   #53 
     - It wasn't required when I received either of my two promotions . . .  Journeyman   Dec-07-11 05:27 PM   #55 
        - Leaving--no, unless you're taking a reserve appt. But you did at least SIGN an oath to promote.  MADem   Dec-07-11 05:42 PM   #57 
           - I didn't sign anything when I got promoted in the Marine Crotch.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Dec-08-11 10:16 AM   #85 
  - My son stopped saying the pledge in 6th Grade. Man, did he create a stink.  in_cog_ni_to   Dec-07-11 02:22 PM   #14 
  - most kids don't know the meaning of half of the words anyway - just being robots nt  msongs   Dec-07-11 02:24 PM   #15 
  - Which, for me, inspired...  YvonneCa   Dec-07-11 03:02 PM   #35 
  - I wouldn't recite it when I was a kid. I stood quietly. I got expelled from 6th grade.  robinlynne   Dec-07-11 02:27 PM   #18 
  - Whether it is called patriotism, tribalism, teaching the young, or brainwashing, to that  Obamanaut   Dec-07-11 02:35 PM   #21 
  - So a seven, or eight, or nine year old knows what "truth" is? And not  Cyrano   Dec-07-11 03:23 PM   #38 
  - Jesus! It is likely that a seven, eight , or nine year old has not yet had time  Obamanaut   Dec-07-11 05:49 PM   #58 
  - If you have to stand at attention with your hand over your heart, you're participating ....  defendandprotect   Dec-07-11 09:53 PM   #74 
  - And for something just as important  kctim   Dec-07-11 02:36 PM   #22 
  - I did  JustAnotherGen   Dec-07-11 02:38 PM   #23 
  - I don't like it but we have bigger battles to fight these days  proud2BlibKansan   Dec-07-11 02:40 PM   #25 
  - "Bigger battles" often start with small skirmishes  Cyrano   Dec-07-11 03:08 PM   #36 
     - This small battle is based on a large concept -- Separation of Church & State --  defendandprotect   Dec-07-11 09:54 PM   #75 
  - 1) No one should be FORCED to pledge anything, and 2) The original pledge is fine as was.  Warren DeMontague   Dec-07-11 02:50 PM   #31 
  - but.....  Armin-A   Dec-07-11 04:11 PM   #44 
  - Actually, the original pledge has it's own problems  jeff47   Dec-08-11 09:03 AM   #83 
  - It never washed my brain  EC   Dec-07-11 02:56 PM   #33 
  - I like the way they do the Pledge, now, at many schools.  MADem   Dec-07-11 03:01 PM   #34 
  - good idea  Armin-A   Dec-07-11 10:28 PM   #77 
     - Well, that's just a silly comment. Makes not one lick of sense.  MADem   Dec-07-11 10:40 PM   #78 
  - porkeys rendition is a-ok with me.....  Froward69   Dec-07-11 03:18 PM   #37 
  - The Central Ohio public school I attended  jdadd   Dec-07-11 03:39 PM   #39 
  - I don't understand  Spirochete   Dec-07-11 03:46 PM   #41 
  - You mean you didn't make this statement every evening?  ieoeja   Dec-07-11 04:16 PM   #47 
  - I'm in favor of having the students recite the original:  dtexdem   Dec-07-11 04:14 PM   #45 
  - It's voluntary. I know. I had a homeroom.  WinkyDink   Dec-07-11 04:18 PM   #48 
  - +1. Any contretemps about it is as silly as "The War On Xmas." nt  MADem   Dec-07-11 04:58 PM   #51 
  - only thing i didn't like about it was if i was late and they had already started the pledge  JI7   Dec-07-11 04:19 PM   #49 
  - God doesn't like it, it's idolatry.  hunter   Dec-07-11 04:57 PM   #50 
  - Our Friends school would agree with you.  Patiod   Dec-08-11 10:07 AM   #84 
  - lol - we not only have that we also have the allegiance to Texas oath  TBF   Dec-07-11 05:13 PM   #54 
  - I like it and wish that it were more common and widespread.  Common Sense Party   Dec-07-11 05:50 PM   #59 
  - tell it to your best bud:  Gabi Hayes   Dec-07-11 06:15 PM   #61 
     - Typical.  Common Sense Party   Dec-07-11 08:57 PM   #63 
        - what, don't you love your country and its authoritarian leaders?  Gabi Hayes   Dec-09-11 05:12 PM   #99 
  - What bothers me about the Pledge is simple  malthaussen   Dec-07-11 06:06 PM   #60 
  - I pledge allegiance to Mother Earth, one planet indivisible  niyad   Dec-07-11 06:15 PM   #62 
  - Brainwashing -- absolutely -- !!  defendandprotect   Dec-07-11 09:09 PM   #64 
  - I think they should force all kids to say it,  JoeyT   Dec-07-11 09:39 PM   #67 
  - So long as it's the pre 1950 version...............(n/t)  SteveG   Dec-07-11 09:41 PM   #68 
  - I refused to say it, starting in the 3rd grade.  Solly Mack   Dec-07-11 09:46 PM   #71 
  - I'm for it.  Herlong   Dec-07-11 09:49 PM   #72 
  - Just to put it in context, what other countries have anything similar?  Fool Count   Dec-07-11 09:56 PM   #76 
  - I pledge allegiance to liberty and justice for all...  T S Justly   Dec-08-11 02:32 AM   #81 
  - Hate it.  Arugula Latte   Dec-08-11 11:18 AM   #87 
  - At worst, it appears to be little more than a benign tradition  LanternWaste   Dec-08-11 11:24 AM   #88 
  - I don't mind it - the patriotic part is OK  treestar   Dec-09-11 02:29 PM   #92 
  - I think it's great. Honestly it's the sign of a cynical mind that can't understand  DFab420   Dec-09-11 03:35 PM   #95 
  - It is most certainly brainwashing.  timtom   Dec-09-11 04:59 PM   #98 
 

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