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cleanhippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 10:59 AM
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59. *facepalm*
He said it cannot be done ON THE SCALE NEEDED TO FEED EVERYONE!!!!!


Why do people feel the need to be so obtuse and disingenuous?
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  -Urban Food Self-Sufficiency - The Myth MineralMan  Dec-06-11 08:30 AM   #0 
  - I for one welcome  Tsiyu   Dec-06-11 08:39 AM   #1 
  - I don't welcome that at all.  MineralMan   Dec-06-11 08:40 AM   #2 
  - We need all sorts of solutions  Tsiyu   Dec-06-11 09:39 AM   #31 
  - I would love to have chickens.  emcguffie   Dec-06-11 12:34 PM   #93 
     - We use the square foot gardening method  MedicalAdmin   Dec-06-11 02:42 PM   #108 
     - Sounds like you do a lot with that garden  Tsiyu   Dec-06-11 05:10 PM   #131 
  - It can be done. It has been done before.  fasttense   Dec-06-11 10:21 AM   #46 
     - I agree it has been done before - I was born in 1941 and we seldom  jwirr   Dec-06-11 10:51 AM   #54 
        - I am talking about 1850 Paris that fed 1.8 million people  fasttense   Dec-06-11 10:53 AM   #56 
        - I would hope that would work if we come to the brink of starvation. nt  jwirr   Dec-06-11 11:07 AM   #65 
        - And yet, by 1870, they starved when besieged  muriel_volestrangler   Dec-06-11 11:08 AM   #68 
           - If you cut off supplies any city would starve.  fasttense   Dec-06-11 12:16 PM   #89 
              - Well, manure was part of their production system  muriel_volestrangler   Dec-06-11 12:28 PM   #90 
                 - Well, how far back are you willing to take your restrictions on local?  fasttense   Dec-06-11 02:52 PM   #110 
                    - OK, thanks for the reference  muriel_volestrangler   Dec-06-11 03:35 PM   #118 
        - You raise a lot of good points. Transportation is one of the  MineralMan   Dec-06-11 03:01 PM   #111 
  - This is one of my concerns with big ag food.  MedicalAdmin   Dec-06-11 03:49 PM   #121 
  - Discover square foot gardening!  TNDemo   Dec-06-11 08:42 AM   #3 
  - No matter how intensive, raising a large percentage of the food  MineralMan   Dec-06-11 08:52 AM   #7 
  - I have a quarter acre lot with a house on most of it.  TNDemo   Dec-06-11 09:07 AM   #15 
  - Never went to the supermarket? Really?  MineralMan   Dec-06-11 09:12 AM   #19 
     - Of course I went to the supermarket to supplement.  TNDemo   Dec-06-11 09:14 AM   #22 
        - It's not a bad thing, and I didn't even suggest that it was. Some  MineralMan   Dec-06-11 09:18 AM   #24 
        - Amazing we managed to survive all these centuries  TNDemo   Dec-06-11 09:21 AM   #26 
           - "Centuries", "population." You use these words without grasping the changes within each.  WinkyDink   Dec-06-11 11:13 AM   #74 
           - You do realize that we haven't had this population for "all these centuries".  Crunchy Frog   Dec-06-11 12:49 PM   #97 
              - Not 200 years ago, and not in this country.  emcguffie   Dec-06-11 12:55 PM   #100 
                 - No, you're incorrect. In the year 1911, there were only  MineralMan   Dec-06-11 03:07 PM   #112 
        - Lucky you, to have such a friend. Lucky you, to have a farmers' market. You seem unable to see a  WinkyDink   Dec-06-11 11:11 AM   #70 
           - I read an article a while back about people growing food in Oregon.  emcguffie   Dec-06-11 12:48 PM   #96 
           - Berea College has an "edible landscape"  Tsiyu   Dec-06-11 05:17 PM   #132 
           - I think this is a very positive trend and that it should be encouraged and developed  Crunchy Frog   Dec-06-11 06:06 PM   #137 
           - In Saint Paul, our farmers' markets have shut down for the winter.  MineralMan   Dec-06-11 03:10 PM   #113 
              - There are some very good designs for passively solar heated greenhouses.  MedicalAdmin   Dec-06-11 03:47 PM   #120 
                 - $10,000, eh?  MineralMan   Dec-06-11 04:01 PM   #124 
                    - What can I say?  MedicalAdmin   Dec-06-11 04:52 PM   #128 
                    - If greenhouses were subsidized like Big Ag monoculture is  Tsiyu   Dec-06-11 05:19 PM   #133 
                       - Very true.  MedicalAdmin   Dec-06-11 06:04 PM   #136 
                       - Subsidies inflate prices  Nuclear Unicorn   Dec-06-11 06:19 PM   #138 
  - Well, not Minnesota, but I grew up in suburbia and we grew all  Bluenorthwest   Dec-06-11 09:11 AM   #17 
  - You grew all your vegetables. Cool. I used to do that, too.  MineralMan   Dec-06-11 09:14 AM   #21 
  - Yeah, we did not buy produce in the supermarket at all.  Bluenorthwest   Dec-06-11 09:40 AM   #32 
  - I believe the fact that you use Past Tense is pertinent. 1950 (e.g.) is not 2011.  WinkyDink   Dec-06-11 11:14 AM   #75 
     - I was long from being born in 1950!  Bluenorthwest   Dec-06-11 11:57 AM   #86 
     - The same suburbs have the same houses and yards --  emcguffie   Dec-06-11 12:53 PM   #98 
  - One and 2 acre farmers within Paris were able to produce all the fruits and vegetables needed  fasttense   Dec-06-11 09:49 AM   #34 
  - We stayed with a friend of my husband's in an old castle in France--  emcguffie   Dec-06-11 12:43 PM   #95 
  - Absolutely - the solution doesn't need to be 100% to improve lives  bhikkhu   Dec-06-11 10:07 AM   #43 
  - That's what we use in our 8' x 12' plot.  emcguffie   Dec-06-11 12:38 PM   #94 
  - Level the playing field  BanzaiBonnie   Dec-06-11 08:45 AM   #4 
  - That kind of small-scale agriculture is a great idea, but would be  MineralMan   Dec-06-11 08:55 AM   #9 
     - Paris did it with 1.8 million people from 1850 to 1900. That's fifty years. n/t  fasttense   Dec-06-11 09:51 AM   #37 
     - We did a similar thing here, too, in that time period  MineralMan   Dec-06-11 10:26 AM   #48 
     - No it's not.  fasttense   Dec-06-11 10:51 AM   #55 
        - why did that system come to an end?  fishwax   Dec-06-11 12:54 PM   #99 
        - You're going to inspire me if you're not careful.  emcguffie   Dec-06-11 01:12 PM   #104 
     - And all that farmland is now paved over. nt  hack89   Dec-06-11 03:54 PM   #122 
        - It is, indeed.  MineralMan   Dec-06-11 04:01 PM   #125 
     - 1.8 million people in the city of Paris is pretty concentrated.  fasttense   Dec-06-11 10:08 AM   #44 
     - I think the point people are trying to make --  emcguffie   Dec-06-11 01:00 PM   #101 
        - The Lots of Pulp variety always seems to be available when I'm  MineralMan   Dec-06-11 01:57 PM   #105 
  - localized food is the ONLY way forward. we need to figure out the how, but burning 12 fossil fuel  piratefish08   Dec-06-11 08:45 AM   #5 
  - Aren't they betting on our food prices on Wall Street?  BanzaiBonnie   Dec-06-11 08:47 AM   #6 
     - that would be in chicago......  madrchsod   Dec-06-11 09:00 AM   #11 
     - Farmer's markets avoid that problem pretty well  bhikkhu   Dec-06-11 10:12 AM   #45 
  - the vast majority of corporate farms are owned by families or family trusts  madrchsod   Dec-06-11 08:55 AM   #8 
  - Exactly. Our population has exploded and has concentrated  MineralMan   Dec-06-11 09:02 AM   #12 
  - my dad`s family had over 1000 acres around Austin.  madrchsod   Dec-06-11 09:59 AM   #39 
  - Yes, that seems to be the pattern. Same thing in my  MineralMan   Dec-06-11 10:04 AM   #42 
  - Corn and soybeans.  emcguffie   Dec-06-11 01:10 PM   #103 
  - That is not true.  fasttense   Dec-06-11 09:57 AM   #38 
  - Native Americans grew enough food on Manhattan  MattBaggins   Dec-06-11 11:08 AM   #67 
     - Thanks, I did not know I was "cute"  fasttense   Dec-06-11 12:29 PM   #91 
        - Here's a satellite view of greater Paris.  MineralMan   Dec-06-11 03:17 PM   #114 
  - Okay, I saw that also. What is going to happen to that 1000 acre farm  jwirr   Dec-06-11 11:05 AM   #63 
  - You are correct.  trotsky   Dec-06-11 08:56 AM   #10 
  - Let the piling on begin.  MineralMan   Dec-06-11 09:06 AM   #14 
  - Why do you see it as binary? The solutions are multiple.  Bluenorthwest   Dec-06-11 09:23 AM   #27 
  - I haven't studied this in depth  Dorian Gray   Dec-06-11 10:23 AM   #47 
  - Or like my college professor who got irate  MattBaggins   Dec-06-11 11:10 AM   #69 
     - LOL  trotsky   Dec-06-11 12:12 PM   #88 
  - Tell that to this family:  ret5hd   Dec-06-11 09:03 AM   #13 
  - Hey, now! I'll just go out in the backyard and convert my pool  MineralMan   Dec-06-11 09:11 AM   #18 
     - You said it couldn't be done. They proved you wrong. Take it up with them.  ret5hd   Dec-06-11 09:12 AM   #20 
     - Nah, that's OK. I'll send that video to all the folks living in that  MineralMan   Dec-06-11 09:15 AM   #23 
     - Wouldn't it do more good to send it to "the residential homeowner...  ret5hd   Dec-06-11 09:31 AM   #29 
        - None of those in my neighborhood have a swimming pool, but  MineralMan   Dec-06-11 09:49 AM   #35 
     - *facepalm*  cleanhippie   Dec-06-11 10:59 AM   #59 
     - Never mind. I was clear about what I was saying. I'm not sure why  MineralMan   Dec-06-11 11:00 AM   #60 
     - I thought your point was perfectly clear, and spot on.  cleanhippie   Dec-06-11 11:02 AM   #62 
        - It doesn't matter. I post and let people reply in whatever way  MineralMan   Dec-06-11 11:07 AM   #66 
     - Need i give the complete sentence that i was quoting from? I guess i do:  ret5hd   Dec-06-11 11:02 AM   #61 
        - And the family in that video represents the "average" across the country?  cleanhippie   Dec-06-11 11:06 AM   #64 
     - They didn't prove him wrong  MattBaggins   Dec-06-11 11:11 AM   #72 
        - I don't know about NYC, but it seems like you could make a large dent in Phoenix.  ret5hd   Dec-06-11 11:25 AM   #79 
     - From your own OP:  Bluenorthwest   Dec-06-11 10:00 AM   #40 
        - Produce does not make up an entire diet.  MineralMan   Dec-06-11 10:02 AM   #41 
           - For those who are vegan it is an entire diet, sir.  Bluenorthwest   Dec-06-11 10:35 AM   #49 
           - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Dec-06-11 10:42 AM   #51 
           - I did not write about agriculture for that publication.  MineralMan   Dec-06-11 10:50 AM   #53 
           - I asked only because you used that association to enhance  Bluenorthwest   Dec-06-11 11:51 AM   #84 
              - I'm still reading MEN. I've read it since it started.  MineralMan   Dec-06-11 02:00 PM   #106 
           - I'd be interested to know what subjects you wrote on for Mother Earth...  SixString   Dec-06-11 06:55 PM   #140 
           - That pool also gives them tilapia, chickens and eggs.  ret5hd   Dec-06-11 11:28 AM   #81 
              - Yes, combining fish raising with hyrdoponics is growing in popularity.  MineralMan   Dec-06-11 02:03 PM   #107 
                 - the point is it is one backyard feeding a family of 4...and not just produce.  ret5hd   Dec-06-11 03:34 PM   #117 
                    - Perhaps they are.  MineralMan   Dec-06-11 03:38 PM   #119 
                       - all i have is the link:  ret5hd   Dec-06-11 04:54 PM   #130 
  - Or, in the long range view, we could address this problem:  LWolf   Dec-06-11 09:08 AM   #16 
  - Yes, a smaller population would make it a lot simpler.  MineralMan   Dec-06-11 09:21 AM   #25 
     - It seems like we have to reach a certain critical mass  LWolf   Dec-06-11 03:24 PM   #115 
  - It's a remarkably bad idea to have our food supply concentrated in the hands of 8-10 suppliers,  woo me with science   Dec-06-11 09:29 AM   #28 
  - Some of our food supply is concentrated in that way.  MineralMan   Dec-06-11 09:37 AM   #30 
  - Well in 1875, small, 1 to 2 acres, farms were able to supply all the fruits  fasttense   Dec-06-11 09:45 AM   #33 
  - Good article on current legislation around these issues can be  Bluenorthwest   Dec-06-11 11:11 AM   #71 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Dec-06-11 09:51 AM   #36 
  - With respect, MM, you are off base. Many people can and do have "less expensive  wiggs   Dec-06-11 10:40 AM   #50 
  - You've captured my point very well.  MineralMan   Dec-06-11 10:54 AM   #57 
  - Sherrod Brown introduced the Local Farms, Food, and Jobs Act,  Bluenorthwest   Dec-06-11 10:44 AM   #52 
  - I agree with that farmer. He's quite correct.  MineralMan   Dec-06-11 11:18 AM   #76 
     - No one maintains that one method is THE answer, man. That  Bluenorthwest   Dec-06-11 11:27 AM   #80 
  - Feeding others ≠ commercial agriculture  saras   Dec-06-11 10:57 AM   #58 
  - As usual, the solution lies somewhere in the middle  KamaAina   Dec-06-11 11:12 AM   #73 
  - Very true. Monterey County is ideal for growing lettuce. I lived  MineralMan   Dec-06-11 11:20 AM   #78 
  - National Sustainable Agriculture Coalition page on the Local  Bluenorthwest   Dec-06-11 11:19 AM   #77 
  - Suggested reading about food and population growth:  OxQQme   Dec-06-11 11:44 AM   #82 
  - You can find millions of works that claim only the corporate farming method works.  fasttense   Dec-06-11 12:33 PM   #92 
  - Sustainable Gardening  SixString   Dec-06-11 11:47 AM   #83 
  - I tilled and weeded for a mythological urban garden last year...  T S Justly   Dec-06-11 11:57 AM   #85 
  - How much of what kinds of food did you bring home from  MineralMan   Dec-06-11 04:05 PM   #126 
     - They were community gardens in the urban center...  T S Justly   Dec-06-11 05:38 PM   #134 
  - Here in the Bay Area, birthplace of the "locavore" movement, "local" is defined rather loosely  KamaAina   Dec-06-11 12:10 PM   #87 
  - I always get flack for eating organic food  Cats Against Frist   Dec-06-11 01:01 PM   #102 
  - discover/explore the permaculture movement n/t  Scout   Dec-06-11 02:43 PM   #109 
  - Is there a prevalence of posters who claim to grow enough  LanternWaste   Dec-06-11 03:26 PM   #116 
  - There are a number of poster who claim that it's possible.  MineralMan   Dec-06-11 03:56 PM   #123 
  - How about: Starvation -- the alternative  Terry in Austin   Dec-06-11 04:09 PM   #127 
  - How it can be done: biointensive farming  Gormy Cuss   Dec-06-11 04:52 PM   #129 
  - Yes, this is the bitter reality.  DCBob   Dec-06-11 05:46 PM   #135 
  - Commercial farming blows chunks. It's crap.  RegieRocker   Dec-06-11 06:40 PM   #139 

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