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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 01:37 AM
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23. Bradley Manning should be found not guilty, he is a whistle-blower
Edited on Tue Dec-06-11 01:38 AM by sabrina 1
like Daniel Ellsberg, and if he were to get a fair trial he would be found not guilty.

He witnessed crimes, he reported them, he was ignored, the crimes were allowed to continue, with the knowledge of those in charge. He did all that was required of a good soldier, but those in charge clearly were NOT abiding by the rules or their oaths of office. So, he became a Whistle-blower.

Had he realized that we are living in a lawless society and reporting crimes like torture would mean nothing, maybe he would not have tried so hard to do the right thing. But he believed that America was good and honorable. He was wrong. The real criminals will receive medals and promotions, and he will probably be convicted.

The person who said he should be released was correct. Daniel Ellsberg was released, and he agrees with that person. Ellsberg believes Manning is a hero, as do many, many others around the world.

The people who should be on trial are the torturers he tried to report. But in the America we now live in, THEY are the heroes, and those who try to stop torture, are the criminals. Maybe one day that will change.
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  -Blagojevich Is Innocent penguin7  Dec-05-11 10:21 PM   #0 
  - I'm wondering if you ''don't know about all the charges'' then how can you say he's innocent? n/t  Tx4obama   Dec-05-11 10:27 PM   #1 
  - The Senate seat was s seperate charge.  penguin7   Dec-05-11 11:41 PM   #17 
  - Jury trials are so yesterday  Angry Dragon   Dec-05-11 10:28 PM   #2 
  - They've got recordings of him hawking it....  ingac70   Dec-05-11 10:29 PM   #3 
  - I listened to the recordings made public regarding the  penguin7   Dec-05-11 11:09 PM   #10 
     - Have you reviewed each and every piece of evidence that the jury reviewed?  Freddie Stubbs   Dec-06-11 09:52 AM   #26 
        - There is only the tapes  penguin7   Dec-06-11 10:49 AM   #35 
           - There was not testimony taken at the trial?  Freddie Stubbs   Dec-06-11 10:57 AM   #36 
              - The tapes are the case against him.  penguin7   Dec-06-11 11:33 AM   #39 
                 - John Wyma testified about Blagojevich trying to halt an expansion of Medicaid care for children in  Freddie Stubbs   Dec-07-11 08:48 AM   #65 
  - a Martha Stewart of political corruption, enough said  inna   Dec-05-11 10:31 PM   #4 
  - Martha Stewart was likely innocent also.  penguin7   Dec-05-11 11:11 PM   #12 
     - she probably wasn't, but it was the *scale* of the corruption that i was thinking of...  inna   Dec-05-11 11:53 PM   #18 
     - Somehow the jury came to a different conclusion that you did  Freddie Stubbs   Dec-07-11 01:25 PM   #66 
  - "How can he try to sell the senate seat without any buyers"  MilesColtrane   Dec-05-11 10:36 PM   #5 
  - If I walk down the street with a big rock of crack cocaine...  Cid_B   Dec-05-11 10:40 PM   #6 
  - But, you know, people really believe this type of reasoning  frazzled   Dec-05-11 10:55 PM   #9 
  - Bradley Manning should be found not guilty, he is a whistle-blower  sabrina 1   Dec-06-11 01:37 AM   #23 
     - He also sabotaged diplomats looking for peaceful solutions to problems.  ieoeja   Dec-06-11 09:55 AM   #29 
     - Wait, what are you talking about?  EFerrari   Dec-06-11 11:18 AM   #38 
     - A memo stating a negative opinion of the other side's diplomat.  ieoeja   Dec-06-11 12:47 PM   #42 
        - Oh, please. Cablegate revealed rampant corruption at State  EFerrari   Dec-06-11 01:16 PM   #45 
           - Yes, it did. And it also betrayed honest attempts at diplomacy.  ieoeja   Dec-06-11 01:46 PM   #51 
     - He exposed how the US has interfered in Human Rights issues  sabrina 1   Dec-06-11 12:06 PM   #41 
     - The Army and Uniform Code of Military Justice does not call it whistle-blowing  frazzled   Dec-06-11 05:51 PM   #61 
        - All military personnel take an oath to protect and defend the  sabrina 1   Dec-07-11 06:49 PM   #73 
  - What happens if you talk about trying to sell cocaine  penguin7   Dec-05-11 11:15 PM   #13 
  - They have arrested, tried, and convicted people that sold  Angry Dragon   Dec-06-11 01:35 AM   #22 
     - That might be fraud  penguin7   Dec-06-11 10:47 AM   #34 
        - They were convicted on drug charges  Angry Dragon   Dec-06-11 12:53 PM   #43 
  - You would be found not guilty.  former9thward   Dec-06-11 10:44 AM   #32 
  - Um, 12 jurors had to agree to convict  frazzled   Dec-05-11 10:45 PM   #7 
  - Whatever  penguin7   Dec-05-11 11:40 PM   #16 
  - What color is the sky in your world?  LeftyMom   Dec-05-11 10:47 PM   #8 
  - Yeah right. And I'm 22 years old and weigh 118, too.  WillowTree   Dec-05-11 11:10 PM   #11 
  - Re: How can he try to sell the senate seat without any buyers??????  slackmaster   Dec-05-11 11:19 PM   #14 
  - Maybe he isn't  penguin7   Dec-05-11 11:27 PM   #15 
     - Does the concept "found guilty in a court of law by a jury of his peers" have any meaning for you?  slackmaster   Dec-06-11 08:51 AM   #24 
        - Something is clearly seriously wrong with our legal  penguin7   Dec-06-11 09:46 AM   #25 
  - When he was first charged he went on the tv to try and 'charm' the audience into  applegrove   Dec-05-11 11:59 PM   #19 
  - I think it's sad...they want to take everything from this man a conviction is  live love laugh   Dec-06-11 01:22 AM   #20 
  - He pissed someone powerful off. I wonder who? It's interesting to see who  WildNovember   Dec-06-11 01:24 AM   #21 
     - Take your pick:  in_cog_ni_to   Dec-06-11 11:10 AM   #37 
        - You skipped the 1st and 2nd most obvious. The 2nd being Madigan.  ieoeja   Dec-06-11 04:24 PM   #60 
  - As innocent as the yellow snow. n/t  UTUSN   Dec-06-11 09:54 AM   #27 
  - He's corrupt but in the scheme of things. He's just a purse snatcher. Meanwhile the  Guy Whitey Corngood   Dec-06-11 09:55 AM   #28 
  - Solicitation for bribery in the children's hospital case was *blatant*.  ieoeja   Dec-06-11 10:20 AM   #30 
  - +1  ingac70   Dec-06-11 10:32 AM   #31 
  - This part of the case I do not know as well  penguin7   Dec-06-11 10:46 AM   #33 
     - While there can be a very fine line between bribery and contribution, he went WAAAAY over it.  ieoeja   Dec-06-11 01:38 PM   #49 
        - The evidence here was not nearly so clear cut  penguin7   Dec-06-11 02:36 PM   #56 
        - The Mafia were in Chicago.  former9thward   Dec-06-11 07:41 PM   #62 
  - Jesse Jackson Jr, was bidding on it. He's going down, too.  ChairmanAgnostic   Dec-06-11 11:36 AM   #40 
  - more corrupt than the daleys? hard to believe.  WildNovember   Dec-06-11 01:13 PM   #44 
     - Richie always had plausible deniability, even during the  ChairmanAgnostic   Dec-06-11 01:25 PM   #46 
        - and obviously doesn't have such good friends.  WildNovember   Dec-06-11 01:46 PM   #52 
           - How true, how true.  ChairmanAgnostic   Dec-06-11 03:37 PM   #57 
  - Having a buyer is not an element of the crime  Jack Rabbit   Dec-06-11 01:30 PM   #47 
  - How do you make an offer without a buyer?  penguin7   Dec-06-11 01:36 PM   #48 
     - I made an offer. No buyers.  LanternWaste   Dec-06-11 01:41 PM   #50 
     - Actually you are offering to potential buyers  penguin7   Dec-06-11 02:29 PM   #54 
     - Still beating this dead horse, I see  Rebubula   Dec-06-11 02:33 PM   #55 
  - I think he's guilty, HOWEVER any punishment other than fines is excessive  Taverner   Dec-06-11 01:47 PM   #53 
  - There is one good argument for substantive prison time.  ieoeja   Dec-06-11 04:03 PM   #58 
     - His life is ruined, he is the butt of all jokes, and he couldn't get a job collecting trash  Taverner   Dec-06-11 04:05 PM   #59 
  - Chicago.  Zanzoobar   Dec-06-11 07:47 PM   #63 
  - If he is guilty of trying to sell the Senate Seat,  penguin7   Dec-06-11 09:35 PM   #64 
     - Conspiracy to solicit bribes is one of the crimes he was convicted of  Freddie Stubbs   Dec-07-11 02:58 PM   #67 
     - So if you half jokingly in a private conversation talk about  penguin7   Dec-07-11 03:47 PM   #71 
     - Apparently the jurors reviewed the evidence and concluded that he was not joking  Freddie Stubbs   Dec-08-11 08:32 AM   #75 
     - Where is there evidence of an agreement to break the law?  penguin7   Dec-07-11 03:56 PM   #72 
        - Then how do you explain the unanimous verdict of the jury?  Freddie Stubbs   Dec-09-11 08:30 AM   #76 
     - Here's a fairness test.  guardian   Dec-07-11 03:38 PM   #68 
     - Figures don't lie, but liars figure.  Zanzoobar   Dec-07-11 10:37 PM   #74 
  - Not sure I'd say he's innocent...  ljm2002   Dec-07-11 03:40 PM   #69 
  - That's one of the most idiotic things I've seen on DU  lunatica   Dec-07-11 03:41 PM   #70 

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