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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 12:13 PM
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21. "ability to learn" could have other meanings and be subject to interpretation ....
Access to education should be based on the ability to learn, not the ability to pay

Would we open our colleges to only A students?

Would we decide that only scholarship students have the kind of "ability to learn" that

we should pay attention to?

Would we judge all of this based on the NONSENSE of SAT tests or other computerized testing?

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  -Do you agree with the following statement. MichaelMcGuire  Dec-05-11 11:41 AM   #0 
  - Why is any American entertaining the idea of restricting education?  closeupready   Dec-05-11 11:43 AM   #1 
  - Times are tough.. and it is a waste to expend resources on a dud...  Cid_B   Dec-05-11 06:56 PM   #54 
     - Some underachieving children are abused; some are ill; some are hungry.  closeupready   Dec-05-11 07:51 PM   #55 
        - I have yet to see a system that is foolproof...  Cid_B   Dec-05-11 09:29 PM   #56 
           - "not enough resources"? Raise taxes. Problem solved.  closeupready   Dec-05-11 10:26 PM   #57 
           - Raise em all you like...  Cid_B   Dec-05-11 10:32 PM   #59 
           - I'd like to point out (probably in vain) I was meaning both 1 + 3. Rather than 2  MichaelMcGuire   Dec-05-11 11:33 PM   #61 
              - Ok...  Cid_B   Dec-06-11 06:37 AM   #67 
  - "Yes" -- but basically education should be available to anyone who wants it --  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 11:45 AM   #2 
  - I think thats what the statement applys  MichaelMcGuire   Dec-05-11 12:03 PM   #12 
     - "ability to learn" could have other meanings and be subject to interpretation ....  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 12:13 PM   #21 
        - University's set the standards however pretty much everyone can get in, either at college level till  MichaelMcGuire   Dec-05-11 12:31 PM   #26 
           - First, our colleges/universities are being corporatised, ergo standards may change....  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 01:07 PM   #28 
              - +1000000  csziggy   Dec-05-11 06:55 PM   #53 
                 - K/R -- "Schools should teach how to learn...." --  defendandprotect   Dec-06-11 06:26 AM   #64 
  - Shows how infiltrated DU has become- 45% voting for ability to pay.  Divernan   Dec-05-11 11:46 AM   #3 
  - I was just thinking that.  sabrina 1   Dec-05-11 11:48 AM   #4 
  - I voted no, and I think everyone should have access to education. Guess I'm a freeper, huh?  closeupready   Dec-05-11 11:51 AM   #6 
  - Yep.  Wait Wut   Dec-05-11 02:25 PM   #34 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Dec-05-11 02:28 PM   #37 
  - Wrong.  Wait Wut   Dec-05-11 02:24 PM   #33 
  - That is not how the question is worded.  ZombieHorde   Dec-05-11 06:38 PM   #49 
  - Far too much subtlety to ask of the majority of responders here.  closeupready   Dec-05-11 10:29 PM   #58 
     - Most people would think it's pointless giving anyone free entry to PhD programs  muriel_volestrangler   Dec-06-11 05:46 AM   #62 
        - Yes, I do feel that undergraduate education should be free.  closeupready   Dec-06-11 06:28 AM   #65 
           - But your point seems to be that there should be no test of ability  muriel_volestrangler   Dec-06-11 08:08 AM   #69 
              - In a healthy democratic society as opposed to an aristocratic one like yours,  closeupready   Dec-06-11 08:53 AM   #71 
                 - Why is my society 'aristocratic'?  muriel_volestrangler   Dec-06-11 09:15 AM   #73 
                    - Restricting education is restricting education, period.  closeupready   Dec-06-11 09:25 AM   #75 
                       - A pointless statement  muriel_volestrangler   Dec-06-11 09:39 AM   #77 
                          - I've made my point. Done.  closeupready   Dec-06-11 11:34 AM   #78 
  - Down to 16% with my YES vote. I believe in a meritocracy, not this puke crap.  freshwest   Dec-05-11 06:54 PM   #52 
  - I would change "ability" to "desire".. n/t  Fumesucker   Dec-05-11 11:51 AM   #5 
  - Surely desire can't be independent of ability?  MichaelMcGuire   Dec-05-11 11:55 AM   #8 
  - It's possible to have ability and no desire.. n/t  Fumesucker   Dec-05-11 12:33 PM   #27 
     - True -- also possible to have "desire" to learn and no ability because you don't find  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 01:30 PM   #29 
     - You do realize that I'm going to be up all night with this conundrum  MichaelMcGuire   Dec-05-11 02:27 PM   #36 
  - I think that's better... eom  JuniperLea   Dec-05-11 02:29 PM   #38 
  - I voted no because your statement is very open-ended...  catabryna   Dec-05-11 11:54 AM   #7 
  - higher  MichaelMcGuire   Dec-05-11 11:57 AM   #10 
     - My vote would still be no because you haven't expounded on  catabryna   Dec-05-11 12:05 PM   #13 
        - Would it have been easier to put 'their' ability to learn?  MichaelMcGuire   Dec-05-11 02:31 PM   #39 
  - what???? like take a test before one is allowed to attend school?  DrDan   Dec-05-11 11:56 AM   #9 
  - It's for further education  MichaelMcGuire   Dec-05-11 11:58 AM   #11 
  - Stupid bullshit positions - un-rec  Ohio Joe   Dec-05-11 12:05 PM   #14 
  - Thats kind of what it says  MichaelMcGuire   Dec-05-11 12:11 PM   #18 
     - No, that is not at all what it says  Ohio Joe   Dec-05-11 12:16 PM   #22 
     - Jesus man  MichaelMcGuire   Dec-05-11 12:25 PM   #25 
     - Your post appears to imply the following: "Either A or B"  LanternWaste   Dec-05-11 12:21 PM   #23 
     - self-delete- stupid thread, not worth it.  closeupready   Dec-05-11 02:41 PM   #41 
  - Learning disabilities should be accommodated regardless of ability to pay.  qb   Dec-05-11 12:06 PM   #15 
  - Ability to pay should not be in the calculation  TheKentuckian   Dec-05-11 12:10 PM   #16 
  - and therefore the other factors, may include, but are not soley, ability to pay  tk2kewl   Dec-06-11 11:45 AM   #80 
     - Huh? If ability to pay should not be part of the puzzle  TheKentuckian   Dec-06-11 02:38 PM   #81 
        - oops... last word was supposed to be learn not pay  tk2kewl   Dec-07-11 03:03 PM   #83 
  - To a certain extent.  mmonk   Dec-05-11 12:11 PM   #17 
  - I wish there was a 'like' button on your post  MichaelMcGuire   Dec-05-11 12:12 PM   #19 
     - .  mmonk   Dec-05-11 05:19 PM   #48 
        - As a disabled student myself, I can understand how hard and that extra mile you need to go  MichaelMcGuire   Dec-05-11 11:29 PM   #60 
  - It is a crying shame that the question even  Newest Reality   Dec-05-11 12:13 PM   #20 
  - Not my intent  MichaelMcGuire   Dec-05-11 12:21 PM   #24 
     - That's somewhat different from what your poll asked ---  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 01:37 PM   #30 
        - mm  MichaelMcGuire   Dec-05-11 02:43 PM   #42 
           - You're saying that post-graduate work is also free in Scotland?  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 03:22 PM   #46 
  - No. Access to education should be open period, not based on ability to learn or to pay.  1monster   Dec-05-11 01:58 PM   #31 
  - At first I was sad about the "no" votes  OriginalGeek   Dec-05-11 02:13 PM   #32 
  - You've got the wrong end of the stick buddy due to my bad praising of the statement  MichaelMcGuire   Dec-05-11 02:49 PM   #44 
     - It's OK buddy  OriginalGeek   Dec-06-11 03:18 PM   #82 
  - I have no idea why my recommend vote added up to zero  lunatica   Dec-05-11 02:27 PM   #35 
  - Yeah, I'm not going to miss that anti-recommend function. nt  BlueIris   Dec-05-11 03:00 PM   #45 
     - I am going to miss it very much. nt  ZombieHorde   Dec-05-11 06:40 PM   #50 
  - Should be "desire to learn" - not ability -  lynne   Dec-05-11 02:38 PM   #40 
  - Well put  MichaelMcGuire   Dec-05-11 02:46 PM   #43 
  - Access to education should be free. nt  bemildred   Dec-05-11 04:14 PM   #47 
  - One of them false dichotomy things...  malthaussen   Dec-05-11 06:44 PM   #51 
  - Don't they take a shot at educating everyone in Finland?  eridani   Dec-06-11 06:24 AM   #63 
  - About 63% graduation rate from university in Finland  muriel_volestrangler   Dec-06-11 09:23 AM   #74 
     - Not everyone should or needs to be a university trained worker.  CTyankee   Dec-07-11 04:01 PM   #84 
  - Access to education ... based on attendance (nt)  T S Justly   Dec-06-11 06:35 AM   #66 
  - I voted yes because I think you mean further education -  TBF   Dec-06-11 06:44 AM   #68 
  - No- "access to education" should be based on NOTHING.  stlsaxman   Dec-06-11 08:10 AM   #70 
  - No. Here's why.  LWolf   Dec-06-11 09:15 AM   #72 
  - Which does supporting a graduate tax count as?  Donald Ian Rankin   Dec-06-11 09:27 AM   #76 
  - No.  Rex   Dec-06-11 11:36 AM   #79 

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