| 153. The money we are now paying to insurance companies AND health care... think of them as TAXES |
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Edited on Sat Dec-03-11 07:30 AM by loudsue
It's money spent by us. It may as well be paid to the government instead of the insurance companies and for-profit hospitals & doctors.
I don't mind doctors and hospitals and drug companies making a profit. But what they are making are OBSCENE profits...most especially the health insurance companies who are providing NO BENEFIT to anybody's actual health. And edited to include that some medicare providers are stealing billions from the system every year.
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| -The Bomb Buried In Obamacare Explodes Today-Hallelujah! |
kratos00 |
Dec-02-11 07:06 PM |
#0 |
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More motivation for health care costs to go UP . |
Edweird |
Dec-02-11 07:08 PM |
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Yep. And the day that they roll out what they've been working on since the bill passed... |
Luminous Animal |
Dec-02-11 07:12 PM |
#2 |
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This rule actually works in the insurance industry's favor |
RevRN |
Dec-03-11 08:39 AM |
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+ ad infinitum |
MrMickeysMom |
Dec-03-11 10:21 AM |
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Did you read the whole article? The writer says that Obama care |
pnwmom |
Dec-03-11 02:35 PM |
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I read it... did you? |
MrMickeysMom |
Dec-04-11 01:09 AM |
#238 |
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You are |
kratos00 |
Dec-04-11 10:55 AM |
#242 |
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Speaking of BS... |
MrMickeysMom |
Dec-04-11 11:02 PM |
#247 |
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Big Brother Insurance |
DallasNE |
Dec-03-11 10:40 AM |
#185 |
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I appreciate your skepticism |
Anatos |
Dec-03-11 11:29 AM |
#189 |
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I think that many progressives have made up their mind |
kratos00 |
Dec-03-11 12:37 PM |
#195 |
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+1 |
wryter2000 |
Dec-03-11 05:28 PM |
#219 |
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Thanks |
kratos00 |
Dec-04-11 09:41 AM |
#240 |
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Where are you finding this info..its interesting |
INdemo |
Dec-03-11 12:58 PM |
#196 |
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No, it doesn't. They must spend 80% on patient care -- more than most are spending now. |
pnwmom |
Dec-03-11 02:33 PM |
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The bill specifically left most of the definitions and enforcement |
ThomCat |
Dec-03-11 10:15 PM |
#235 |
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I don't agree. This gives a cost plus incentive for the company. Spend more make more |
Exultant Democracy |
Dec-03-11 04:10 PM |
#214 |
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They will NOT have to insure everybody. |
ThomCat |
Dec-03-11 10:30 PM |
#236 |
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20% of chemo is more then 20% of Viagra. There is no profit incentive for dropping th sickest |
Exultant Democracy |
Dec-04-11 09:59 AM |
#241 |
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They will redefine "education" expenses. |
uberblonde |
Dec-03-11 06:53 PM |
#225 |
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Absolutely. I'm sure a whole lot of expenses will be re-classified |
ThomCat |
Dec-03-11 10:55 PM |
#237 |
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That makes absolutely no sense. "more payment denied" |
johnaries |
Dec-03-11 08:38 PM |
#226 |
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Read the article. The Obama administration defines what is classified as medical care. |
pnwmom |
Dec-03-11 01:05 PM |
#197 |
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Off topic |
guitar man |
Dec-02-11 07:15 PM |
#7 |
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Thanks. |
Edweird |
Dec-02-11 07:52 PM |
#30 |
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It's been awhile since I've seen a lineman actually use a set of hooks to climb a pole. |
Lasher |
Dec-03-11 02:18 AM |
#144 |
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That's just wrong! |
Enthusiast |
Dec-03-11 07:54 AM |
#154 |
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Here's the work we are doing: |
Edweird |
Dec-03-11 08:46 PM |
#228 |
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No lineman standing on a pole with a set of climbers like in the graphic though. |
Lasher |
Dec-04-11 11:58 AM |
#243 |
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We are IBEW. IBEW climbs. We haven't had to yet on this job - but it's coming. |
Edweird |
Dec-04-11 12:28 PM |
#244 |
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The highest pole I've climbed is a 90. |
Lasher |
Dec-04-11 05:44 PM |
#245 |
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HA, this just occured to me: |
Edweird |
Dec-04-11 07:38 PM |
#246 |
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So was my Dad. Go IBEW!!! n/t |
newfie11 |
Dec-03-11 06:30 AM |
#150 |
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So Was My Husband... But With Verizon... Fiber Optic Went Underground! |
ChiciB1 |
Dec-03-11 08:33 AM |
#169 |
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Indeed! |
Edweird |
Dec-03-11 08:49 PM |
#229 |
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And the Democratic party has inexorably handcuffed themselves to this... |
Fumesucker |
Dec-02-11 07:20 PM |
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Name removed |
Dec-02-11 08:01 PM |
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Welcome to DU.. |
Fumesucker |
Dec-02-11 08:18 PM |
#42 |
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Oh, look! In it's natural setting, a rare sight. |
Gold Metal Flake |
Dec-02-11 09:32 PM |
#90 |
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That IS rare. nt |
Poll_Blind |
Dec-02-11 10:32 PM |
#114 |
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im bookmarking this train wreck just so |
SwampG8r |
Dec-03-11 12:32 AM |
#131 |
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Just send you to war to die for your country... |
ellisonz |
Dec-02-11 08:27 PM |
#48 |
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The mandate was first proposed by republiclowns who ran from it when Dems supported it. |
Snarkoleptic |
Dec-02-11 08:44 PM |
#57 |
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I think Obama said he didn't mind the designation |
eridani |
Dec-02-11 08:59 PM |
#69 |
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I was trying to fish him in for a bashing but he was sadly tombstoned |
Snarkoleptic |
Dec-02-11 11:33 PM |
#127 |
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"clubbed with reality" |
Enthusiast |
Dec-03-11 08:00 AM |
#155 |
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What is the problem? The insurance companies will have cost limits, |
pnwmom |
Dec-03-11 02:30 PM |
#204 |
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It's not insurance that's driving most of the cost of health care.. |
Fumesucker |
Dec-03-11 05:47 PM |
#221 |
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why? |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-02-11 07:21 PM |
#11 |
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Simple math: 20% of 1$ = .20 ; 20% of 10$=2$ The higher the prices the bigger their profit. |
Edweird |
Dec-02-11 07:43 PM |
#27 |
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That will actually force states to start adopting a public option. |
joshcryer |
Dec-02-11 07:57 PM |
#33 |
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Um, if out of control health care costs triggered a public option, it would have happened already. |
Edweird |
Dec-02-11 08:02 PM |
#36 |
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There was no mandated health care for all. |
joshcryer |
Dec-02-11 08:14 PM |
#39 |
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There still is no 'mandated health care for all' only the FAR RW |
Edweird |
Dec-02-11 08:21 PM |
#45 |
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The right wing was against the mandate, and as Krugman aptly points out... |
joshcryer |
Dec-02-11 08:34 PM |
#51 |
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Here's your boy Newt: |
Edweird |
Dec-02-11 08:50 PM |
#61 |
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So what? They tried to put in a trigger to destroy it. Actions speak louder than words. |
joshcryer |
Dec-02-11 08:51 PM |
#63 |
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So, my statement that the individual mandate is FAR RW policy stands. That's 'what', buddy. |
Edweird |
Dec-02-11 08:57 PM |
#68 |
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Not if they tried to destroy it, it doesn't. It's made up nonsense. |
joshcryer |
Dec-02-11 09:07 PM |
#72 |
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What's 'made up nonsense'? That Romney instituted the individual mandate? |
Edweird |
Dec-02-11 09:12 PM |
#77 |
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That when it came to the vote they tried to obstruct it. |
joshcryer |
Dec-02-11 09:17 PM |
#82 |
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Yeah? Show me your 'majority'. |
Edweird |
Dec-02-11 09:26 PM |
#88 |
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My mistake, health care overall is disliked. I confused the Democratic support for a mandate poll. |
joshcryer |
Dec-02-11 09:37 PM |
#92 |
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No, I'm definitely pro single payer - but Obama is against it. Actions speak louder than words. |
Edweird |
Dec-02-11 09:45 PM |
#96 |
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The mandate can go either way. It can destroy health care... |
joshcryer |
Dec-02-11 09:51 PM |
#98 |
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Without a mandate, the "health" insurance companies would collapse |
dflprincess |
Dec-02-11 10:43 PM |
#117 |
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"a mandate to buy the same old crap from the same old crooks." Exactly. (n/t) |
bread_and_roses |
Dec-03-11 07:26 AM |
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You just undercut your own argument. |
Exilednight |
Dec-03-11 08:17 AM |
#162 |
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"Actions speak louder than words" if you know ALL of the actions and ALL of their syntax and grammar |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 10:11 PM |
#107 |
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Spare me. It's not at all 'unknowable'. It's only complicated if you're in denial. |
Edweird |
Dec-03-11 06:33 PM |
#223 |
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I was going to reply exactly this |
a2liberal |
Dec-02-11 10:40 PM |
#116 |
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Better hurry. Harper is going to start dismantling the Canadain Healthcare system soon. |
Fokker Trip |
Dec-03-11 06:09 AM |
#149 |
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Do you have proof of the following claim: |
Exilednight |
Dec-03-11 08:10 AM |
#160 |
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It has been a Right Wing scheme since 1993, actually in it's first incarnation |
Dragonfli |
Dec-03-11 01:26 PM |
#198 |
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What pressure are you speaking of? The only ones asking for a public option are liberals and small |
Exilednight |
Dec-03-11 08:08 AM |
#158 |
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Wait, you're claiming subsidies for the poor are impossible without a mandate? Seriously? |
Edweird |
Dec-02-11 09:07 PM |
#71 |
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Sure am. Are you really advocating an irresponsible unpaid medical system? |
joshcryer |
Dec-02-11 09:08 PM |
#74 |
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Taxes: heard of them? |
Edweird |
Dec-02-11 09:13 PM |
#78 |
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So you propose taking taxes from somewhere else to pay for health care? |
joshcryer |
Dec-02-11 09:18 PM |
#84 |
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Yeah, uh, that's how those awful socialist European countries and Canada do it, junior. |
Edweird |
Dec-02-11 09:21 PM |
#87 |
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Those countries have fucking mandates. Not "you don't have to pay into it if you don't want to." |
joshcryer |
Dec-02-11 09:52 PM |
#100 |
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I'll just leave this here: |
Edweird |
Dec-02-11 09:58 PM |
#102 |
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LOL, they paid into it. |
joshcryer |
Dec-02-11 10:02 PM |
#103 |
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It's paid for through taxes, which is what I said. |
Edweird |
Dec-02-11 10:07 PM |
#106 |
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Yes, and their taxes are so high that they paid into it. Either way, responsibility. |
joshcryer |
Dec-02-11 10:16 PM |
#110 |
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European taxes are not high relative to the services they get. |
diane in sf |
Dec-03-11 09:35 AM |
#178 |
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So far all of your posts, except one, have been untrue. |
Edweird |
Dec-03-11 06:30 PM |
#222 |
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They did not pay to have for-profit mass murderers stand between them and their providers n/t |
eridani |
Dec-03-11 01:36 AM |
#141 |
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The money we are now paying to insurance companies AND health care... think of them as TAXES |
loudsue |
Dec-03-11 07:30 AM |
#153 |
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I am, sure thing. |
sibelian |
Dec-03-11 08:23 AM |
#165 |
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Good old Newt: Gingrich Prepares Romney Critique, Says Mandate Leads To 'Socialized Medicine' |
joshcryer |
Dec-02-11 10:03 PM |
#104 |
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If Newt is asked by MSM about this, he'll try to bully them down again... |
SteveM |
Dec-03-11 02:59 PM |
#210 |
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Everyone who survives the next ten years. |
truedelphi |
Dec-03-11 03:11 PM |
#211 |
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Re your Subject line: Logic = Because _________has not happened, _________ will not happen. |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 08:19 PM |
#43 |
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LOL |
Edweird |
Dec-02-11 08:31 PM |
#50 |
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The post to which I responded implied direct cause & effect AND within whatever time-frame that |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 08:47 PM |
#58 |
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You're also assuming you know why Obama did that, i.e. to kill the public option, when other |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 08:26 PM |
#47 |
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No, read the links I pointed out. Krugman predicted it. We all did. The mandate was necessary for... |
joshcryer |
Dec-02-11 08:36 PM |
#52 |
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The individual mandate is FAR RW policy. |
Edweird |
Dec-02-11 08:39 PM |
#53 |
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Bullfuckingshit. War is fucking Peace. Jesus Christ. |
joshcryer |
Dec-02-11 08:42 PM |
#55 |
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LOL. See post 61 |
Edweird |
Dec-02-11 08:51 PM |
#62 |
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See post #39. This is a very old debate. Krugman is and was on the correct side of this issue. |
joshcryer |
Dec-02-11 08:53 PM |
#64 |
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Deny facts all you wish. I'll enjoy mocking you much the way I mock scientologists..... |
Edweird |
Dec-02-11 09:02 PM |
#70 |
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Go for it, just don't pretend you've presented any 'facts' here. |
joshcryer |
Dec-02-11 09:13 PM |
#79 |
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So you deny that Romney instituted the individual mandate? |
Edweird |
Dec-02-11 09:17 PM |
#81 |
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I deny that Romney was the only one who was behind it. DiMasi had a hand in it too. |
joshcryer |
Dec-02-11 09:21 PM |
#86 |
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or libertarians. |
barbtries |
Dec-03-11 08:59 AM |
#175 |
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Not something they'd do on their own initiative because it drives high-overhead insureds into |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 09:09 PM |
#75 |
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So Romney only 'pretended' to institute it? |
Edweird |
Dec-02-11 09:18 PM |
#83 |
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Romney? Why would you pick him as an example of consistency in anything? Sure he instituted it and |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 09:37 PM |
#93 |
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P.S. He's not a far RW -er. He's an anything and therefore nothing. |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 09:39 PM |
#95 |
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You are obviously discounting the effect of three dimensional chess. |
Enthusiast |
Dec-03-11 08:04 AM |
#156 |
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Wrong. Insurers have used practices -- denying for preexisting conditions, |
pnwmom |
Dec-03-11 02:42 PM |
#209 |
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I wish, but more than likely you will see the same thing that is going on in MA under RomneyCare. |
RevRN |
Dec-03-11 09:11 AM |
#176 |
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But if the 80% doesn't cover the higher prices, the insureds will be left holding the bag, so they'l |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 09:19 PM |
#85 |
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I guess we'll see, won't we? |
Edweird |
Dec-02-11 09:48 PM |
#97 |
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What exchanges? Very few states have exchanges, and many are filing suit so they will never have to |
Exilednight |
Dec-03-11 08:22 AM |
#164 |
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Republicans deny science, but Obamacare defenders go further and reject MATH |
kenny blankenship |
Dec-03-11 08:42 AM |
#171 |
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Yes, it's like "Cost Plus" |
thesquanderer |
Dec-03-11 10:24 AM |
#183 |
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Sure, except that no matter what they charge, |
The Doctor. |
Dec-03-11 02:11 PM |
#199 |
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You're forgotten something. Insurers have to get increases approved. |
pnwmom |
Dec-03-11 02:36 PM |
#207 |
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And overheard includes executive salaries |
wryter2000 |
Dec-03-11 05:25 PM |
#218 |
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Bomb? ...one dropped on the Working Class. |
bvar22 |
Dec-02-11 08:40 PM |
#54 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Dec-02-11 08:54 PM |
#66 |
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During the debate over ACA, I heard as high as 30%, so we can guess 20-30% . . . ? |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 11:13 PM |
#126 |
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that depends on their current average margin. |
sibelian |
Dec-03-11 08:28 AM |
#168 |
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Yes, and there are no cost controls... |
CoffeeCat |
Dec-02-11 11:07 PM |
#125 |
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+1 n/t |
area51 |
Dec-03-11 11:26 AM |
#188 |
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One word: MANDATE. As for those who can't afford insurance, that's |
johnaries |
Dec-03-11 08:49 PM |
#230 |
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true, as that is exactly what has been happening . . . |
DollyM |
Dec-03-11 12:42 AM |
#133 |
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I read through most of this thread and you seem |
kratos00 |
Dec-03-11 08:26 AM |
#167 |
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This bill does nothing to move us closer to a singel payer system, instead |
Exilednight |
Dec-03-11 11:59 AM |
#192 |
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100% incorrect. Lower MLR always leads to lower total costs. |
grantcart |
Dec-03-11 10:31 AM |
#184 |
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What? Prices should go down, because there will be less |
The Wielding Truth |
Dec-03-11 02:21 PM |
#201 |
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My first thought. "They" should have put caps on costs. |
dotymed |
Dec-03-11 03:40 PM |
#212 |
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That is what most of them did in anticipation this. |
liberal N proud |
Dec-03-11 05:09 PM |
#216 |
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Health care costs are ALREADY going up: Independently of insurance |
johnaries |
Dec-03-11 08:44 PM |
#227 |
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More motivation for health care costs to go down, because . . . |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 07:13 PM |
#3 |
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I so love that race to the bottom. |
Luminous Animal |
Dec-02-11 07:16 PM |
#8 |
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LOTS of assumptions in that, most of them based on BIG BUSINESS machine-models. |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 07:25 PM |
#14 |
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I'm pretty sure they'll take their pound of flesh out of staff. They'll squeeze the nurses... |
Luminous Animal |
Dec-02-11 07:37 PM |
#23 |
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Which will lead to a HUGE debate about the Standards of Care. VERY revealing. Good!!! America NEEDS |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 07:41 PM |
#25 |
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Yes. Just like it has already led to debates of Standards of Care. My sister has been a |
Luminous Animal |
Dec-02-11 07:52 PM |
#29 |
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I have seen what she is concerned about up close and intimately, personal & family experiences, so |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 08:13 PM |
#38 |
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your sister went to |
SwampG8r |
Dec-03-11 12:51 AM |
#137 |
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Everyone wants single payer |
wryter2000 |
Dec-03-11 05:30 PM |
#220 |
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as the husband of |
SwampG8r |
Dec-03-11 12:49 AM |
#136 |
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er ... insurance IS "big business." (n/t) |
bread_and_roses |
Dec-03-11 07:24 AM |
#151 |
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Exactly, and constituants will demand state public options, so the insurers are really scared today. |
joshcryer |
Dec-02-11 08:00 PM |
#34 |
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Is that trickle up or down? I don't like pissing either way personally. |
JanMichael |
Dec-02-11 08:48 PM |
#59 |
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Check out HR 676 Expanded & Improved Medicare for All here: |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 08:54 PM |
#65 |
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Umm... |
quakerboy |
Dec-03-11 05:43 AM |
#147 |
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Sounds like the end of for profit healthcare. |
Swede |
Dec-02-11 07:14 PM |
#4 |
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Dream on, Swede. Dream on. |
Luminous Animal |
Dec-02-11 07:15 PM |
#6 |
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Finally coming true,isn't it. |
Swede |
Dec-02-11 07:20 PM |
#10 |
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There is no way the insurance companies are giving up their profit margin... |
Luminous Animal |
Dec-02-11 07:32 PM |
#20 |
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isn't it HHS? |
bigtree |
Dec-02-11 07:43 PM |
#26 |
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Have they a department set up to audit and enforce? Link? This is a big fucking deal |
Luminous Animal |
Dec-02-11 07:55 PM |
#32 |
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This just moves the % margin back to where it was when Clinton proposed his reform |
kenny blankenship |
Dec-02-11 08:22 PM |
#46 |
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Cripes people, start a co-op. |
tcaudilllg |
Dec-03-11 02:10 AM |
#142 |
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For OBSCENE profits at least! |
pnorman |
Dec-02-11 07:20 PM |
#9 |
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They have no incentive to raise rates if 80% HAS to go to |
shraby |
Dec-02-11 07:29 PM |
#17 |
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i`m officially on medicare today! |
madrchsod |
Dec-02-11 07:15 PM |
#5 |
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In addition, this nugget that I located, although not effective until 1/1/14... |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-02-11 07:23 PM |
#12 |
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LOVE! that. |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 07:35 PM |
#21 |
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I remember that, it was a big win, heheh. |
joshcryer |
Dec-02-11 07:54 PM |
#31 |
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Only if you consider sorting Americans into Real People (TM) and disposable human garbage-- |
eridani |
Dec-02-11 09:07 PM |
#73 |
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The "Exchange" will offer a caste system of plans. |
bvar22 |
Dec-02-11 08:48 PM |
#60 |
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why is every law not written this way? |
SwampG8r |
Dec-03-11 12:55 AM |
#138 |
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I would love to have a single payer system |
kratos00 |
Dec-02-11 07:25 PM |
#13 |
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Cynicism? Because the public will become more aware of $$$$~ that does NOT go to QUALITY of CARE. |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 07:32 PM |
#19 |
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And SOME people DON'T want that to happen, ergo, "cynicism". nt |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 07:37 PM |
#22 |
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Particularly as states start to adopt their own state public option. |
joshcryer |
Dec-02-11 07:39 PM |
#24 |
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Except in Brownbackistan. :- ((((( |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 07:49 PM |
#28 |
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Post More! |
ellisonz |
Dec-02-11 08:30 PM |
#49 |
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There will be no benefits for actual sick people |
eridani |
Dec-02-11 09:11 PM |
#76 |
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There ALREADY are actual benefits for actual sick people. |
pnwmom |
Dec-03-11 05:24 PM |
#217 |
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And there are ZERO price controls on what they charge other young people |
eridani |
Dec-03-11 09:38 PM |
#233 |
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We need more than that |
SHRED |
Dec-03-11 08:12 AM |
#161 |
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One reason for the cynicism is because Obama didn't even TRY to get single payer |
spooked911 |
Dec-03-11 08:24 AM |
#166 |
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Here's to single payer! n/t |
BlueToTheBone |
Dec-02-11 07:26 PM |
#15 |
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Nope sorry, I read here earlier that President Obama was a weak failure. |
DFab420 |
Dec-02-11 07:27 PM |
#16 |
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Change is... |
silverweb |
Dec-02-11 07:29 PM |
#18 |
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Smooth move. |
Pirate Smile |
Dec-02-11 08:19 PM |
#44 |
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I thought you might approve. |
silverweb |
Dec-03-11 12:38 AM |
#132 |
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I'll be interested to see whether this provision |
The Genealogist |
Dec-02-11 08:02 PM |
#37 |
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k&r n/t |
RainDog |
Dec-02-11 08:15 PM |
#40 |
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Well then this must be the lead story on every news story |
underpants |
Dec-02-11 08:17 PM |
#41 |
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Fuck yeah! |
lonestarnot |
Dec-02-11 08:43 PM |
#56 |
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Given that regulation by MLR has been an utter failure at the state level-- |
eridani |
Dec-02-11 08:57 PM |
#67 |
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From the "for profit" companies? And the only reason we are discussing this ... |
slipslidingaway |
Dec-02-11 09:15 PM |
#80 |
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Couldn't that trigger new business models? e.g. Profit-sharing? |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 09:28 PM |
#89 |
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Not sure we should be looking at new business models in the HC industry... |
slipslidingaway |
Dec-02-11 09:34 PM |
#91 |
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Huh? If that status-quo MLR was something about 70-75% and the ACA raised it to 80-85%, you don't |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 09:52 PM |
#99 |
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Wendell Potter said the MLR was closer to 95% during the early Clinton years ... |
slipslidingaway |
Dec-02-11 10:12 PM |
#108 |
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I think we agree about where this has to go, but maybe not about how to get there. I don't think |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 10:33 PM |
#115 |
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Thom Hartmann: Big Pharma - Scalping Cancer Drugs? |
slipslidingaway |
Dec-02-11 09:38 PM |
#94 |
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Big Pharma is the status quo business model. And you're AGAINST new business models? |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 09:58 PM |
#101 |
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We need a not for profit system, did you listen to the interview? n/t |
slipslidingaway |
Dec-02-11 10:14 PM |
#109 |
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I already know everythig Thom Hartmann & WP have to say about this. Did you look at HR 676? |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 10:23 PM |
#111 |
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Look at my journal posts, I've supported HR 676 and did not support the distraction of a public ... |
slipslidingaway |
Dec-02-11 10:44 PM |
#120 |
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It's going up. I don't understand why that is meaningless. I see it as a step towards what will make |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 11:03 PM |
#124 |
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It was 95% in the early 90's and it may have taken a dip ... |
slipslidingaway |
Dec-03-11 12:06 AM |
#128 |
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but you are arguing that ObamaCare... |
bvar22 |
Dec-03-11 11:10 AM |
#187 |
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Not-for-profits have business models too, just not ones designed to produce profits. nt |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 10:24 PM |
#112 |
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Most of the large insurers such as Aetna, United Health Care, the Blues, etc. will meet this |
FarCenter |
Dec-02-11 10:05 PM |
#105 |
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Why is it good to squeeze out small providers and create even more industry concentration? |
WildNovember |
Dec-02-11 10:28 PM |
#113 |
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Small insurers are harder to regulate and cumulatively have more political power |
FarCenter |
Dec-02-11 10:43 PM |
#119 |
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Cumulatively have more power? That doesn't sound right. |
WildNovember |
Dec-02-11 10:58 PM |
#123 |
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WTF? Have you been asleep for the last 5 years? |
progressoid |
Dec-03-11 10:56 AM |
#186 |
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Just like the concentration with banks ... |
slipslidingaway |
Dec-02-11 10:45 PM |
#121 |
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LOL! Yeah, more consolidation and less competition, that'll fix it all! |
JVS |
Dec-03-11 02:43 AM |
#145 |
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Wow, that is a great feature! |
earcandle |
Dec-02-11 10:43 PM |
#118 |
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Of course, somebody has enforce this |
dflprincess |
Dec-02-11 10:53 PM |
#122 |
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Medical Loss Ratio Cap, no pre-existing, and the Exchanges are powerful. |
Hoyt |
Dec-03-11 12:08 AM |
#129 |
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Adequate subsidies and how we pay, or not pay, for those subsidies ... |
slipslidingaway |
Dec-03-11 12:43 AM |
#134 |
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Wendell Potter - The Medical Loss Ratio was 95% in early Clinton years ... |
slipslidingaway |
Dec-03-11 12:16 AM |
#130 |
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Yes, that's true. |
silverweb |
Dec-03-11 12:46 AM |
#135 |
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If it is true then we're going backwards, minus the temporary blip ... |
slipslidingaway |
Dec-03-11 01:06 AM |
#140 |
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Fiction. |
ProSense |
Dec-03-11 09:45 AM |
#179 |
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As always... |
silverweb |
Dec-03-11 06:40 PM |
#224 |
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Let's be glad some controls have been placed on it or we'd be looking at a MLR of 70% in future. |
Hoyt |
Dec-03-11 10:06 AM |
#180 |
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"will, ultimately, lead to the death of large parts of the private, |
barbtries |
Dec-03-11 12:59 AM |
#139 |
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Leaving only the big players to pick our bones. How is that good? |
WildNovember |
Dec-03-11 04:30 AM |
#146 |
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i want the same thing you want. |
barbtries |
Dec-03-11 08:52 AM |
#174 |
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Death by mandated customer and government subsidy to insure revenue??? |
TheKentuckian |
Dec-03-11 08:20 AM |
#163 |
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death by no more profit |
barbtries |
Dec-03-11 08:49 AM |
#173 |
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That isn't a result of the plan because we were on the same course before. |
TheKentuckian |
Dec-03-11 02:24 PM |
#202 |
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Oh, look! Health insurance companies doing what they've been paid to do all along. How about that? |
judesedit |
Dec-03-11 02:14 AM |
#143 |
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With Medicare for All there would be no marketing expense, no profit... |
Scuba |
Dec-03-11 05:52 AM |
#148 |
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Yup |
Enthusiast |
Dec-03-11 09:14 AM |
#177 |
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I hadn't seen that provision, but I LOVE IT! |
YellowRubberDuckie |
Dec-03-11 08:06 AM |
#157 |
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We need a public and/or non-profit health care system |
SHRED |
Dec-03-11 08:09 AM |
#159 |
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is Rick Ungar back at Forbes now? |
Enrique |
Dec-03-11 08:42 AM |
#172 |
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This assumes that SCOTUS doesn't kill the whole thing. |
Kablooie |
Dec-03-11 10:08 AM |
#181 |
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After people start getting their refunds |
The Doctor. |
Dec-03-11 02:14 PM |
#200 |
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Parasitic Insurance will only cook the books to reap the profit they think they deserve. |
Fantastic Anarchist |
Dec-03-11 11:34 AM |
#190 |
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Your right. They will Betty Crockerize all their financial statements. |
Kablooie |
Dec-04-11 03:11 AM |
#239 |
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....ultimately, lead to the death of large parts of the private, for-profit health insurance industr |
ladywnch |
Dec-03-11 11:39 AM |
#191 |
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Really just need single payer nt |
abelenkpe |
Dec-03-11 12:26 PM |
#193 |
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The link is to an advertisement video. |
Deep13 |
Dec-03-11 12:36 PM |
#194 |
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Try clicking on Continue to Site. |
johnaries |
Dec-03-11 09:14 PM |
#231 |
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Well, yeah, but I was looking for a source I could post somewhere. |
Deep13 |
Dec-03-11 10:11 PM |
#234 |
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It ought to be 95%. nt. |
Warren Stupidity |
Dec-03-11 02:24 PM |
#203 |
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Boooommmm? |
pam4water |
Dec-03-11 02:40 PM |
#208 |
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Rec #191 |
Number23 |
Dec-03-11 03:50 PM |
#213 |
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Does anyone know? |
bluestate10 |
Dec-03-11 04:22 PM |
#215 |
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UnitedHealth Group says future looks bright |
dflprincess |
Dec-03-11 09:24 PM |
#232 |
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