| 85. But if the 80% doesn't cover the higher prices, the insureds will be left holding the bag, so they'l |
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l look for insurance companies through the exchanges that take better care of their premiums.
So, yeah "bigger profits" in the short term and then crashing, because all of the lower-cost services are maxed out by the insurance companies who went to those in order to reduce pressure on premiums, even though it meant not-so-bigger profits for them.
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| -The Bomb Buried In Obamacare Explodes Today-Hallelujah! |
kratos00 |
Dec-02-11 07:06 PM |
#0 |
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More motivation for health care costs to go UP . |
Edweird |
Dec-02-11 07:08 PM |
#1 |
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Yep. And the day that they roll out what they've been working on since the bill passed... |
Luminous Animal |
Dec-02-11 07:12 PM |
#2 |
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This rule actually works in the insurance industry's favor |
RevRN |
Dec-03-11 08:39 AM |
#170 |
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+ ad infinitum |
MrMickeysMom |
Dec-03-11 10:21 AM |
#182 |
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Did you read the whole article? The writer says that Obama care |
pnwmom |
Dec-03-11 02:35 PM |
#206 |
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I read it... did you? |
MrMickeysMom |
Dec-04-11 01:09 AM |
#238 |
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You are |
kratos00 |
Dec-04-11 10:55 AM |
#242 |
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Speaking of BS... |
MrMickeysMom |
Dec-04-11 11:02 PM |
#247 |
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Big Brother Insurance |
DallasNE |
Dec-03-11 10:40 AM |
#185 |
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I appreciate your skepticism |
Anatos |
Dec-03-11 11:29 AM |
#189 |
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I think that many progressives have made up their mind |
kratos00 |
Dec-03-11 12:37 PM |
#195 |
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+1 |
wryter2000 |
Dec-03-11 05:28 PM |
#219 |
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Thanks |
kratos00 |
Dec-04-11 09:41 AM |
#240 |
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Where are you finding this info..its interesting |
INdemo |
Dec-03-11 12:58 PM |
#196 |
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No, it doesn't. They must spend 80% on patient care -- more than most are spending now. |
pnwmom |
Dec-03-11 02:33 PM |
#205 |
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The bill specifically left most of the definitions and enforcement |
ThomCat |
Dec-03-11 10:15 PM |
#235 |
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I don't agree. This gives a cost plus incentive for the company. Spend more make more |
Exultant Democracy |
Dec-03-11 04:10 PM |
#214 |
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They will NOT have to insure everybody. |
ThomCat |
Dec-03-11 10:30 PM |
#236 |
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20% of chemo is more then 20% of Viagra. There is no profit incentive for dropping th sickest |
Exultant Democracy |
Dec-04-11 09:59 AM |
#241 |
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They will redefine "education" expenses. |
uberblonde |
Dec-03-11 06:53 PM |
#225 |
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Absolutely. I'm sure a whole lot of expenses will be re-classified |
ThomCat |
Dec-03-11 10:55 PM |
#237 |
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That makes absolutely no sense. "more payment denied" |
johnaries |
Dec-03-11 08:38 PM |
#226 |
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Read the article. The Obama administration defines what is classified as medical care. |
pnwmom |
Dec-03-11 01:05 PM |
#197 |
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Off topic |
guitar man |
Dec-02-11 07:15 PM |
#7 |
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Thanks. |
Edweird |
Dec-02-11 07:52 PM |
#30 |
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It's been awhile since I've seen a lineman actually use a set of hooks to climb a pole. |
Lasher |
Dec-03-11 02:18 AM |
#144 |
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That's just wrong! |
Enthusiast |
Dec-03-11 07:54 AM |
#154 |
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Here's the work we are doing: |
Edweird |
Dec-03-11 08:46 PM |
#228 |
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No lineman standing on a pole with a set of climbers like in the graphic though. |
Lasher |
Dec-04-11 11:58 AM |
#243 |
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We are IBEW. IBEW climbs. We haven't had to yet on this job - but it's coming. |
Edweird |
Dec-04-11 12:28 PM |
#244 |
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The highest pole I've climbed is a 90. |
Lasher |
Dec-04-11 05:44 PM |
#245 |
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HA, this just occured to me: |
Edweird |
Dec-04-11 07:38 PM |
#246 |
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So was my Dad. Go IBEW!!! n/t |
newfie11 |
Dec-03-11 06:30 AM |
#150 |
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So Was My Husband... But With Verizon... Fiber Optic Went Underground! |
ChiciB1 |
Dec-03-11 08:33 AM |
#169 |
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Indeed! |
Edweird |
Dec-03-11 08:49 PM |
#229 |
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And the Democratic party has inexorably handcuffed themselves to this... |
Fumesucker |
Dec-02-11 07:20 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Dec-02-11 08:01 PM |
#35 |
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Welcome to DU.. |
Fumesucker |
Dec-02-11 08:18 PM |
#42 |
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Oh, look! In it's natural setting, a rare sight. |
Gold Metal Flake |
Dec-02-11 09:32 PM |
#90 |
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That IS rare. nt |
Poll_Blind |
Dec-02-11 10:32 PM |
#114 |
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im bookmarking this train wreck just so |
SwampG8r |
Dec-03-11 12:32 AM |
#131 |
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Just send you to war to die for your country... |
ellisonz |
Dec-02-11 08:27 PM |
#48 |
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The mandate was first proposed by republiclowns who ran from it when Dems supported it. |
Snarkoleptic |
Dec-02-11 08:44 PM |
#57 |
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I think Obama said he didn't mind the designation |
eridani |
Dec-02-11 08:59 PM |
#69 |
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I was trying to fish him in for a bashing but he was sadly tombstoned |
Snarkoleptic |
Dec-02-11 11:33 PM |
#127 |
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"clubbed with reality" |
Enthusiast |
Dec-03-11 08:00 AM |
#155 |
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What is the problem? The insurance companies will have cost limits, |
pnwmom |
Dec-03-11 02:30 PM |
#204 |
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It's not insurance that's driving most of the cost of health care.. |
Fumesucker |
Dec-03-11 05:47 PM |
#221 |
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why? |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-02-11 07:21 PM |
#11 |
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Simple math: 20% of 1$ = .20 ; 20% of 10$=2$ The higher the prices the bigger their profit. |
Edweird |
Dec-02-11 07:43 PM |
#27 |
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That will actually force states to start adopting a public option. |
joshcryer |
Dec-02-11 07:57 PM |
#33 |
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Um, if out of control health care costs triggered a public option, it would have happened already. |
Edweird |
Dec-02-11 08:02 PM |
#36 |
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There was no mandated health care for all. |
joshcryer |
Dec-02-11 08:14 PM |
#39 |
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There still is no 'mandated health care for all' only the FAR RW |
Edweird |
Dec-02-11 08:21 PM |
#45 |
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The right wing was against the mandate, and as Krugman aptly points out... |
joshcryer |
Dec-02-11 08:34 PM |
#51 |
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Here's your boy Newt: |
Edweird |
Dec-02-11 08:50 PM |
#61 |
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So what? They tried to put in a trigger to destroy it. Actions speak louder than words. |
joshcryer |
Dec-02-11 08:51 PM |
#63 |
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So, my statement that the individual mandate is FAR RW policy stands. That's 'what', buddy. |
Edweird |
Dec-02-11 08:57 PM |
#68 |
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Not if they tried to destroy it, it doesn't. It's made up nonsense. |
joshcryer |
Dec-02-11 09:07 PM |
#72 |
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What's 'made up nonsense'? That Romney instituted the individual mandate? |
Edweird |
Dec-02-11 09:12 PM |
#77 |
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That when it came to the vote they tried to obstruct it. |
joshcryer |
Dec-02-11 09:17 PM |
#82 |
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Yeah? Show me your 'majority'. |
Edweird |
Dec-02-11 09:26 PM |
#88 |
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My mistake, health care overall is disliked. I confused the Democratic support for a mandate poll. |
joshcryer |
Dec-02-11 09:37 PM |
#92 |
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No, I'm definitely pro single payer - but Obama is against it. Actions speak louder than words. |
Edweird |
Dec-02-11 09:45 PM |
#96 |
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The mandate can go either way. It can destroy health care... |
joshcryer |
Dec-02-11 09:51 PM |
#98 |
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Without a mandate, the "health" insurance companies would collapse |
dflprincess |
Dec-02-11 10:43 PM |
#117 |
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"a mandate to buy the same old crap from the same old crooks." Exactly. (n/t) |
bread_and_roses |
Dec-03-11 07:26 AM |
#152 |
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You just undercut your own argument. |
Exilednight |
Dec-03-11 08:17 AM |
#162 |
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"Actions speak louder than words" if you know ALL of the actions and ALL of their syntax and grammar |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 10:11 PM |
#107 |
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Spare me. It's not at all 'unknowable'. It's only complicated if you're in denial. |
Edweird |
Dec-03-11 06:33 PM |
#223 |
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I was going to reply exactly this |
a2liberal |
Dec-02-11 10:40 PM |
#116 |
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Better hurry. Harper is going to start dismantling the Canadain Healthcare system soon. |
Fokker Trip |
Dec-03-11 06:09 AM |
#149 |
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Do you have proof of the following claim: |
Exilednight |
Dec-03-11 08:10 AM |
#160 |
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It has been a Right Wing scheme since 1993, actually in it's first incarnation |
Dragonfli |
Dec-03-11 01:26 PM |
#198 |
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What pressure are you speaking of? The only ones asking for a public option are liberals and small |
Exilednight |
Dec-03-11 08:08 AM |
#158 |
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Wait, you're claiming subsidies for the poor are impossible without a mandate? Seriously? |
Edweird |
Dec-02-11 09:07 PM |
#71 |
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Sure am. Are you really advocating an irresponsible unpaid medical system? |
joshcryer |
Dec-02-11 09:08 PM |
#74 |
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Taxes: heard of them? |
Edweird |
Dec-02-11 09:13 PM |
#78 |
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So you propose taking taxes from somewhere else to pay for health care? |
joshcryer |
Dec-02-11 09:18 PM |
#84 |
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Yeah, uh, that's how those awful socialist European countries and Canada do it, junior. |
Edweird |
Dec-02-11 09:21 PM |
#87 |
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Those countries have fucking mandates. Not "you don't have to pay into it if you don't want to." |
joshcryer |
Dec-02-11 09:52 PM |
#100 |
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I'll just leave this here: |
Edweird |
Dec-02-11 09:58 PM |
#102 |
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LOL, they paid into it. |
joshcryer |
Dec-02-11 10:02 PM |
#103 |
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It's paid for through taxes, which is what I said. |
Edweird |
Dec-02-11 10:07 PM |
#106 |
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Yes, and their taxes are so high that they paid into it. Either way, responsibility. |
joshcryer |
Dec-02-11 10:16 PM |
#110 |
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European taxes are not high relative to the services they get. |
diane in sf |
Dec-03-11 09:35 AM |
#178 |
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So far all of your posts, except one, have been untrue. |
Edweird |
Dec-03-11 06:30 PM |
#222 |
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They did not pay to have for-profit mass murderers stand between them and their providers n/t |
eridani |
Dec-03-11 01:36 AM |
#141 |
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The money we are now paying to insurance companies AND health care... think of them as TAXES |
loudsue |
Dec-03-11 07:30 AM |
#153 |
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I am, sure thing. |
sibelian |
Dec-03-11 08:23 AM |
#165 |
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Good old Newt: Gingrich Prepares Romney Critique, Says Mandate Leads To 'Socialized Medicine' |
joshcryer |
Dec-02-11 10:03 PM |
#104 |
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If Newt is asked by MSM about this, he'll try to bully them down again... |
SteveM |
Dec-03-11 02:59 PM |
#210 |
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Everyone who survives the next ten years. |
truedelphi |
Dec-03-11 03:11 PM |
#211 |
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Re your Subject line: Logic = Because _________has not happened, _________ will not happen. |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 08:19 PM |
#43 |
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LOL |
Edweird |
Dec-02-11 08:31 PM |
#50 |
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The post to which I responded implied direct cause & effect AND within whatever time-frame that |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 08:47 PM |
#58 |
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You're also assuming you know why Obama did that, i.e. to kill the public option, when other |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 08:26 PM |
#47 |
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No, read the links I pointed out. Krugman predicted it. We all did. The mandate was necessary for... |
joshcryer |
Dec-02-11 08:36 PM |
#52 |
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The individual mandate is FAR RW policy. |
Edweird |
Dec-02-11 08:39 PM |
#53 |
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Bullfuckingshit. War is fucking Peace. Jesus Christ. |
joshcryer |
Dec-02-11 08:42 PM |
#55 |
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LOL. See post 61 |
Edweird |
Dec-02-11 08:51 PM |
#62 |
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See post #39. This is a very old debate. Krugman is and was on the correct side of this issue. |
joshcryer |
Dec-02-11 08:53 PM |
#64 |
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Deny facts all you wish. I'll enjoy mocking you much the way I mock scientologists..... |
Edweird |
Dec-02-11 09:02 PM |
#70 |
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Go for it, just don't pretend you've presented any 'facts' here. |
joshcryer |
Dec-02-11 09:13 PM |
#79 |
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So you deny that Romney instituted the individual mandate? |
Edweird |
Dec-02-11 09:17 PM |
#81 |
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I deny that Romney was the only one who was behind it. DiMasi had a hand in it too. |
joshcryer |
Dec-02-11 09:21 PM |
#86 |
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or libertarians. |
barbtries |
Dec-03-11 08:59 AM |
#175 |
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Not something they'd do on their own initiative because it drives high-overhead insureds into |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 09:09 PM |
#75 |
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So Romney only 'pretended' to institute it? |
Edweird |
Dec-02-11 09:18 PM |
#83 |
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Romney? Why would you pick him as an example of consistency in anything? Sure he instituted it and |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 09:37 PM |
#93 |
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P.S. He's not a far RW -er. He's an anything and therefore nothing. |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 09:39 PM |
#95 |
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You are obviously discounting the effect of three dimensional chess. |
Enthusiast |
Dec-03-11 08:04 AM |
#156 |
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Wrong. Insurers have used practices -- denying for preexisting conditions, |
pnwmom |
Dec-03-11 02:42 PM |
#209 |
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I wish, but more than likely you will see the same thing that is going on in MA under RomneyCare. |
RevRN |
Dec-03-11 09:11 AM |
#176 |
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But if the 80% doesn't cover the higher prices, the insureds will be left holding the bag, so they'l |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 09:19 PM |
#85 |
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I guess we'll see, won't we? |
Edweird |
Dec-02-11 09:48 PM |
#97 |
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What exchanges? Very few states have exchanges, and many are filing suit so they will never have to |
Exilednight |
Dec-03-11 08:22 AM |
#164 |
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Republicans deny science, but Obamacare defenders go further and reject MATH |
kenny blankenship |
Dec-03-11 08:42 AM |
#171 |
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Yes, it's like "Cost Plus" |
thesquanderer |
Dec-03-11 10:24 AM |
#183 |
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Sure, except that no matter what they charge, |
The Doctor. |
Dec-03-11 02:11 PM |
#199 |
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You're forgotten something. Insurers have to get increases approved. |
pnwmom |
Dec-03-11 02:36 PM |
#207 |
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And overheard includes executive salaries |
wryter2000 |
Dec-03-11 05:25 PM |
#218 |
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Bomb? ...one dropped on the Working Class. |
bvar22 |
Dec-02-11 08:40 PM |
#54 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Dec-02-11 08:54 PM |
#66 |
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During the debate over ACA, I heard as high as 30%, so we can guess 20-30% . . . ? |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 11:13 PM |
#126 |
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that depends on their current average margin. |
sibelian |
Dec-03-11 08:28 AM |
#168 |
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Yes, and there are no cost controls... |
CoffeeCat |
Dec-02-11 11:07 PM |
#125 |
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+1 n/t |
area51 |
Dec-03-11 11:26 AM |
#188 |
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One word: MANDATE. As for those who can't afford insurance, that's |
johnaries |
Dec-03-11 08:49 PM |
#230 |
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true, as that is exactly what has been happening . . . |
DollyM |
Dec-03-11 12:42 AM |
#133 |
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I read through most of this thread and you seem |
kratos00 |
Dec-03-11 08:26 AM |
#167 |
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This bill does nothing to move us closer to a singel payer system, instead |
Exilednight |
Dec-03-11 11:59 AM |
#192 |
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100% incorrect. Lower MLR always leads to lower total costs. |
grantcart |
Dec-03-11 10:31 AM |
#184 |
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What? Prices should go down, because there will be less |
The Wielding Truth |
Dec-03-11 02:21 PM |
#201 |
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My first thought. "They" should have put caps on costs. |
dotymed |
Dec-03-11 03:40 PM |
#212 |
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That is what most of them did in anticipation this. |
liberal N proud |
Dec-03-11 05:09 PM |
#216 |
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Health care costs are ALREADY going up: Independently of insurance |
johnaries |
Dec-03-11 08:44 PM |
#227 |
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More motivation for health care costs to go down, because . . . |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 07:13 PM |
#3 |
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I so love that race to the bottom. |
Luminous Animal |
Dec-02-11 07:16 PM |
#8 |
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LOTS of assumptions in that, most of them based on BIG BUSINESS machine-models. |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 07:25 PM |
#14 |
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I'm pretty sure they'll take their pound of flesh out of staff. They'll squeeze the nurses... |
Luminous Animal |
Dec-02-11 07:37 PM |
#23 |
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Which will lead to a HUGE debate about the Standards of Care. VERY revealing. Good!!! America NEEDS |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 07:41 PM |
#25 |
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Yes. Just like it has already led to debates of Standards of Care. My sister has been a |
Luminous Animal |
Dec-02-11 07:52 PM |
#29 |
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I have seen what she is concerned about up close and intimately, personal & family experiences, so |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 08:13 PM |
#38 |
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your sister went to |
SwampG8r |
Dec-03-11 12:51 AM |
#137 |
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Everyone wants single payer |
wryter2000 |
Dec-03-11 05:30 PM |
#220 |
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as the husband of |
SwampG8r |
Dec-03-11 12:49 AM |
#136 |
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er ... insurance IS "big business." (n/t) |
bread_and_roses |
Dec-03-11 07:24 AM |
#151 |
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Exactly, and constituants will demand state public options, so the insurers are really scared today. |
joshcryer |
Dec-02-11 08:00 PM |
#34 |
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Is that trickle up or down? I don't like pissing either way personally. |
JanMichael |
Dec-02-11 08:48 PM |
#59 |
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Check out HR 676 Expanded & Improved Medicare for All here: |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 08:54 PM |
#65 |
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Umm... |
quakerboy |
Dec-03-11 05:43 AM |
#147 |
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Sounds like the end of for profit healthcare. |
Swede |
Dec-02-11 07:14 PM |
#4 |
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Dream on, Swede. Dream on. |
Luminous Animal |
Dec-02-11 07:15 PM |
#6 |
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Finally coming true,isn't it. |
Swede |
Dec-02-11 07:20 PM |
#10 |
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There is no way the insurance companies are giving up their profit margin... |
Luminous Animal |
Dec-02-11 07:32 PM |
#20 |
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isn't it HHS? |
bigtree |
Dec-02-11 07:43 PM |
#26 |
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Have they a department set up to audit and enforce? Link? This is a big fucking deal |
Luminous Animal |
Dec-02-11 07:55 PM |
#32 |
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This just moves the % margin back to where it was when Clinton proposed his reform |
kenny blankenship |
Dec-02-11 08:22 PM |
#46 |
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Cripes people, start a co-op. |
tcaudilllg |
Dec-03-11 02:10 AM |
#142 |
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For OBSCENE profits at least! |
pnorman |
Dec-02-11 07:20 PM |
#9 |
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They have no incentive to raise rates if 80% HAS to go to |
shraby |
Dec-02-11 07:29 PM |
#17 |
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i`m officially on medicare today! |
madrchsod |
Dec-02-11 07:15 PM |
#5 |
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In addition, this nugget that I located, although not effective until 1/1/14... |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-02-11 07:23 PM |
#12 |
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LOVE! that. |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 07:35 PM |
#21 |
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I remember that, it was a big win, heheh. |
joshcryer |
Dec-02-11 07:54 PM |
#31 |
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Only if you consider sorting Americans into Real People (TM) and disposable human garbage-- |
eridani |
Dec-02-11 09:07 PM |
#73 |
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The "Exchange" will offer a caste system of plans. |
bvar22 |
Dec-02-11 08:48 PM |
#60 |
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why is every law not written this way? |
SwampG8r |
Dec-03-11 12:55 AM |
#138 |
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I would love to have a single payer system |
kratos00 |
Dec-02-11 07:25 PM |
#13 |
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Cynicism? Because the public will become more aware of $$$$~ that does NOT go to QUALITY of CARE. |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 07:32 PM |
#19 |
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And SOME people DON'T want that to happen, ergo, "cynicism". nt |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 07:37 PM |
#22 |
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Particularly as states start to adopt their own state public option. |
joshcryer |
Dec-02-11 07:39 PM |
#24 |
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Except in Brownbackistan. :- ((((( |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 07:49 PM |
#28 |
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Post More! |
ellisonz |
Dec-02-11 08:30 PM |
#49 |
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There will be no benefits for actual sick people |
eridani |
Dec-02-11 09:11 PM |
#76 |
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There ALREADY are actual benefits for actual sick people. |
pnwmom |
Dec-03-11 05:24 PM |
#217 |
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And there are ZERO price controls on what they charge other young people |
eridani |
Dec-03-11 09:38 PM |
#233 |
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We need more than that |
SHRED |
Dec-03-11 08:12 AM |
#161 |
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One reason for the cynicism is because Obama didn't even TRY to get single payer |
spooked911 |
Dec-03-11 08:24 AM |
#166 |
| -
Here's to single payer! n/t |
BlueToTheBone |
Dec-02-11 07:26 PM |
#15 |
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Nope sorry, I read here earlier that President Obama was a weak failure. |
DFab420 |
Dec-02-11 07:27 PM |
#16 |
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Change is... |
silverweb |
Dec-02-11 07:29 PM |
#18 |
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Smooth move. |
Pirate Smile |
Dec-02-11 08:19 PM |
#44 |
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I thought you might approve. |
silverweb |
Dec-03-11 12:38 AM |
#132 |
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I'll be interested to see whether this provision |
The Genealogist |
Dec-02-11 08:02 PM |
#37 |
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k&r n/t |
RainDog |
Dec-02-11 08:15 PM |
#40 |
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Well then this must be the lead story on every news story |
underpants |
Dec-02-11 08:17 PM |
#41 |
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Fuck yeah! |
lonestarnot |
Dec-02-11 08:43 PM |
#56 |
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Given that regulation by MLR has been an utter failure at the state level-- |
eridani |
Dec-02-11 08:57 PM |
#67 |
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From the "for profit" companies? And the only reason we are discussing this ... |
slipslidingaway |
Dec-02-11 09:15 PM |
#80 |
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Couldn't that trigger new business models? e.g. Profit-sharing? |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 09:28 PM |
#89 |
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Not sure we should be looking at new business models in the HC industry... |
slipslidingaway |
Dec-02-11 09:34 PM |
#91 |
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Huh? If that status-quo MLR was something about 70-75% and the ACA raised it to 80-85%, you don't |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 09:52 PM |
#99 |
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Wendell Potter said the MLR was closer to 95% during the early Clinton years ... |
slipslidingaway |
Dec-02-11 10:12 PM |
#108 |
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I think we agree about where this has to go, but maybe not about how to get there. I don't think |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 10:33 PM |
#115 |
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Thom Hartmann: Big Pharma - Scalping Cancer Drugs? |
slipslidingaway |
Dec-02-11 09:38 PM |
#94 |
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Big Pharma is the status quo business model. And you're AGAINST new business models? |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 09:58 PM |
#101 |
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We need a not for profit system, did you listen to the interview? n/t |
slipslidingaway |
Dec-02-11 10:14 PM |
#109 |
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I already know everythig Thom Hartmann & WP have to say about this. Did you look at HR 676? |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 10:23 PM |
#111 |
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Look at my journal posts, I've supported HR 676 and did not support the distraction of a public ... |
slipslidingaway |
Dec-02-11 10:44 PM |
#120 |
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It's going up. I don't understand why that is meaningless. I see it as a step towards what will make |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 11:03 PM |
#124 |
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It was 95% in the early 90's and it may have taken a dip ... |
slipslidingaway |
Dec-03-11 12:06 AM |
#128 |
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but you are arguing that ObamaCare... |
bvar22 |
Dec-03-11 11:10 AM |
#187 |
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Not-for-profits have business models too, just not ones designed to produce profits. nt |
patrice |
Dec-02-11 10:24 PM |
#112 |
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Most of the large insurers such as Aetna, United Health Care, the Blues, etc. will meet this |
FarCenter |
Dec-02-11 10:05 PM |
#105 |
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Why is it good to squeeze out small providers and create even more industry concentration? |
WildNovember |
Dec-02-11 10:28 PM |
#113 |
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Small insurers are harder to regulate and cumulatively have more political power |
FarCenter |
Dec-02-11 10:43 PM |
#119 |
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Cumulatively have more power? That doesn't sound right. |
WildNovember |
Dec-02-11 10:58 PM |
#123 |
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WTF? Have you been asleep for the last 5 years? |
progressoid |
Dec-03-11 10:56 AM |
#186 |
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Just like the concentration with banks ... |
slipslidingaway |
Dec-02-11 10:45 PM |
#121 |
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LOL! Yeah, more consolidation and less competition, that'll fix it all! |
JVS |
Dec-03-11 02:43 AM |
#145 |
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Wow, that is a great feature! |
earcandle |
Dec-02-11 10:43 PM |
#118 |
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Of course, somebody has enforce this |
dflprincess |
Dec-02-11 10:53 PM |
#122 |
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Medical Loss Ratio Cap, no pre-existing, and the Exchanges are powerful. |
Hoyt |
Dec-03-11 12:08 AM |
#129 |
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Adequate subsidies and how we pay, or not pay, for those subsidies ... |
slipslidingaway |
Dec-03-11 12:43 AM |
#134 |
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Wendell Potter - The Medical Loss Ratio was 95% in early Clinton years ... |
slipslidingaway |
Dec-03-11 12:16 AM |
#130 |
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Yes, that's true. |
silverweb |
Dec-03-11 12:46 AM |
#135 |
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If it is true then we're going backwards, minus the temporary blip ... |
slipslidingaway |
Dec-03-11 01:06 AM |
#140 |
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Fiction. |
ProSense |
Dec-03-11 09:45 AM |
#179 |
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As always... |
silverweb |
Dec-03-11 06:40 PM |
#224 |
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Let's be glad some controls have been placed on it or we'd be looking at a MLR of 70% in future. |
Hoyt |
Dec-03-11 10:06 AM |
#180 |
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"will, ultimately, lead to the death of large parts of the private, |
barbtries |
Dec-03-11 12:59 AM |
#139 |
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Leaving only the big players to pick our bones. How is that good? |
WildNovember |
Dec-03-11 04:30 AM |
#146 |
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i want the same thing you want. |
barbtries |
Dec-03-11 08:52 AM |
#174 |
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Death by mandated customer and government subsidy to insure revenue??? |
TheKentuckian |
Dec-03-11 08:20 AM |
#163 |
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death by no more profit |
barbtries |
Dec-03-11 08:49 AM |
#173 |
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That isn't a result of the plan because we were on the same course before. |
TheKentuckian |
Dec-03-11 02:24 PM |
#202 |
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Oh, look! Health insurance companies doing what they've been paid to do all along. How about that? |
judesedit |
Dec-03-11 02:14 AM |
#143 |
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With Medicare for All there would be no marketing expense, no profit... |
Scuba |
Dec-03-11 05:52 AM |
#148 |
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Yup |
Enthusiast |
Dec-03-11 09:14 AM |
#177 |
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I hadn't seen that provision, but I LOVE IT! |
YellowRubberDuckie |
Dec-03-11 08:06 AM |
#157 |
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We need a public and/or non-profit health care system |
SHRED |
Dec-03-11 08:09 AM |
#159 |
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is Rick Ungar back at Forbes now? |
Enrique |
Dec-03-11 08:42 AM |
#172 |
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This assumes that SCOTUS doesn't kill the whole thing. |
Kablooie |
Dec-03-11 10:08 AM |
#181 |
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After people start getting their refunds |
The Doctor. |
Dec-03-11 02:14 PM |
#200 |
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Parasitic Insurance will only cook the books to reap the profit they think they deserve. |
Fantastic Anarchist |
Dec-03-11 11:34 AM |
#190 |
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Your right. They will Betty Crockerize all their financial statements. |
Kablooie |
Dec-04-11 03:11 AM |
#239 |
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....ultimately, lead to the death of large parts of the private, for-profit health insurance industr |
ladywnch |
Dec-03-11 11:39 AM |
#191 |
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Really just need single payer nt |
abelenkpe |
Dec-03-11 12:26 PM |
#193 |
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The link is to an advertisement video. |
Deep13 |
Dec-03-11 12:36 PM |
#194 |
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Try clicking on Continue to Site. |
johnaries |
Dec-03-11 09:14 PM |
#231 |
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Well, yeah, but I was looking for a source I could post somewhere. |
Deep13 |
Dec-03-11 10:11 PM |
#234 |
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It ought to be 95%. nt. |
Warren Stupidity |
Dec-03-11 02:24 PM |
#203 |
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Boooommmm? |
pam4water |
Dec-03-11 02:40 PM |
#208 |
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Rec #191 |
Number23 |
Dec-03-11 03:50 PM |
#213 |
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Does anyone know? |
bluestate10 |
Dec-03-11 04:22 PM |
#215 |
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UnitedHealth Group says future looks bright |
dflprincess |
Dec-03-11 09:24 PM |
#232 |
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