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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 01:30 PM
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12. Obviously not. I read the entire article, which is why I posted
what I posted. You included everything but the actual topic of the article. The result was a typical slam at Obama, without even revealing what it was that you were slamming him for. Why? Because he has said that he will veto this, and that's not convenient to your argument.

Because I read the article at the link, I know this. The other poster, who posted just before you, actually covered the real story. You did not in your post, even though you could have posted the entire article, since you wrote it and it is in the Commons.

See the other post for an example of how this sort of thing should be handled on DU, in my opinion:

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  -A Gut-Check Moment for Mr. Obama WilliamPitt  Nov-30-11 01:12 PM   #0 
  - Treason!  RUMMYisFROSTED   Nov-30-11 01:14 PM   #1 
  - Exactly.  DeSwiss   Nov-30-11 05:00 PM   #44 
  - Diminished expectations call this a 'gut-check'. Anybody got a microscope? -eom  Huey P. Long   Nov-30-11 01:17 PM   #2 
  - .......  DJ13   Nov-30-11 01:28 PM   #10 
     - I didn't fall in love, but I did expect a Democrat who taught Constitutional law  gkhouston   Nov-30-11 04:26 PM   #43 
  - Unrecced for never getting to the meat of the issue at all.  MineralMan   Nov-30-11 01:18 PM   #3 
  - Snap!  RUMMYisFROSTED   Nov-30-11 01:21 PM   #6 
  - OP rec'd twice ...  GeorgeGist   Dec-01-11 09:45 AM   #92 
  - Thanks for reminding me to recommend it. N/t.  emcguffie   Dec-01-11 11:51 AM   #94 
  - "half a loaf"  Arctic Dave   Nov-30-11 01:19 PM   #4 
  - He said he would veto it.  tabatha   Nov-30-11 01:21 PM   #5 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-30-11 01:24 PM   #7 
  - You have trouble clicking provided links?  WilliamPitt   Nov-30-11 01:25 PM   #8 
  - Obviously not. I read the entire article, which is why I posted  MineralMan   Nov-30-11 01:30 PM   #12 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Nov-30-11 01:32 PM   #13 
  - "but it doesn't serve to damn President Obama, so it's not included here"  Ignis   Dec-01-11 05:45 PM   #124 
  - Jesus.  WilliamPitt   Nov-30-11 01:25 PM   #9 
  - I, for one, would never give a rag like Truthout the value of my traffic. nt  TheWraith   Nov-30-11 01:29 PM   #11 
  - Well, thanks for kicking the thread.  WilliamPitt   Nov-30-11 01:32 PM   #15 
  - LOL  mmonk   Nov-30-11 09:31 PM   #66 
  - My favorite reply  WilliamPitt   Nov-30-11 09:43 PM   #68 
     - Deserves another kick.  mmonk   Nov-30-11 09:53 PM   #69 
        - Thanks  WilliamPitt   Nov-30-11 10:03 PM   #70 
           - And Another Kick !!!  WillyT   Dec-02-11 05:45 PM   #133 
  - Lol, and here's another kick!  sabrina 1   Dec-01-11 12:25 AM   #77 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-30-11 01:38 PM   #20 
  - Bwahahahahahaha !!!  WillyT   Nov-30-11 10:59 PM   #73 
  - Sticking to the WSJ Opinions page, are you?  Ignis   Dec-01-11 05:43 PM   #123 
  - Jesus!  MineralMan   Nov-30-11 01:32 PM   #14 
     - Thanks for kicking the thread.  WilliamPitt   Nov-30-11 01:32 PM   #16 
     - Obama has said a lot of things  hifiguy   Nov-30-11 01:39 PM   #22 
     - I agree! And this time...  DocMac   Nov-30-11 02:15 PM   #27 
     - word up  frylock   Nov-30-11 03:00 PM   #35 
     - Exactly  a2liberal   Dec-01-11 09:07 AM   #91 
     - Obama has said a lot of things only to turn around and do  sabrina 1   Dec-01-11 12:28 AM   #78 
     - We heard this one before....public option anyone?  U4ikLefty   Dec-01-11 03:53 AM   #83 
     - I think maybe you have control issues.  emcguffie   Dec-01-11 11:56 AM   #95 
  - obama sez a lot of shit  frylock   Nov-30-11 02:59 PM   #34 
  - He said he would close Gitmo also...In fact he has said a lot of things  Bandit   Nov-30-11 03:20 PM   #40 
  - I hope he will veto it too, but I suppose the author addressed that via  midnight   Nov-30-11 05:49 PM   #47 
  - I think the author is waiting to see if the President fulfills that veto promise n/t  markpkessinger   Dec-02-11 05:42 PM   #132 
  - K&R! Gut Check Moment, Indeed. eom.  KoKo   Nov-30-11 01:32 PM   #17 
  - K&R n/t  OhioChick   Nov-30-11 01:33 PM   #18 
  - Great piece, Will.  hifiguy   Nov-30-11 01:34 PM   #19 
  - I'm confused  Hutzpa   Nov-30-11 01:38 PM   #21 
  - Levin falling on his sword so that PObama can veto a highly visible bill  wiggs   Nov-30-11 01:54 PM   #23 
  - I'm sick of political games,  Blue_In_AK   Nov-30-11 01:58 PM   #25 
  - Agree...if Levin would do that it would be a political stunt and not worth what  KoKo   Nov-30-11 02:41 PM   #29 
  - No way, that's how the Republicans play. Remember when we forced the Republicans...  joshcryer   Nov-30-11 07:40 PM   #55 
     - I guess I could look on it that if "Levin is pulling a Political Stunt," and it's good  KoKo   Nov-30-11 08:32 PM   #61 
  - Yep.  joshcryer   Nov-30-11 07:39 PM   #54 
  - I have the same question.  emcguffie   Dec-01-11 11:59 AM   #96 
  - To me, the gut check moment is whether or not he should continue in office.  BlueIris   Nov-30-11 01:57 PM   #24 
  - This is one Obama had better veto.  dtexdem   Nov-30-11 02:12 PM   #26 
  - Pres O warned the Senate he would veto the bill if it contained the indefinite detention provision.  AtomicKitten   Nov-30-11 02:40 PM   #28 
  - Will Pitt has that in his article. You needed to read the whole article at the link...  KoKo   Nov-30-11 02:43 PM   #30 
     - I read it and wonder why that germaine tidbit was virtually buried in the piece.  AtomicKitten   Nov-30-11 02:46 PM   #31 
        - Building towards the conclusion.  WilliamPitt   Nov-30-11 02:51 PM   #33 
        - With O's veto threat out there, how/why did this get past Senate Dems to begin with?  AtomicKitten   Nov-30-11 03:12 PM   #37 
           - The Senate shot down an amendment to exclude American citizens 61-38. WTF?!!  AtomicKitten   Nov-30-11 04:22 PM   #42 
        - I don't think Will Pitt "intentionally" deceived you with you not finding the quote..  KoKo   Nov-30-11 08:07 PM   #56 
           - +1  WilliamPitt   Nov-30-11 08:30 PM   #60 
           - Whatever...go over to the site and READ Pitt's Full article. Quote from Obama Veto is there...  KoKo   Nov-30-11 08:40 PM   #63 
           - I didn't imply he did; I questioned why the veto threat was given short shrift.  AtomicKitten   Dec-01-11 02:27 AM   #82 
              - I think maybe the main point wasn't the veto threat.  emcguffie   Dec-01-11 12:03 PM   #97 
                 - It's an election year.  WilliamPitt   Dec-01-11 12:04 PM   #98 
                 - I wonder if you are aware  AtomicKitten   Dec-01-11 12:27 PM   #102 
                    - I am well aware of my reputation here.  WilliamPitt   Dec-01-11 12:46 PM   #106 
                    - Allow me to jump in here and say...  trumad   Dec-01-11 02:11 PM   #110 
                    - I'll mannered post. Something a coward would do, I'd say you just  LaurenG   Dec-01-11 03:11 PM   #112 
                    - Correction: It proves what hypocrites people can be.  AtomicKitten   Dec-01-11 03:16 PM   #114 
                       - Very cruel and un-necessary. nt  LaurenG   Dec-01-11 03:19 PM   #115 
                       - (headdesk)  WilliamPitt   Dec-01-11 03:24 PM   #116 
                       - Wow, example of Doucheosity  RetroLounge   Dec-01-11 05:12 PM   #121 
                       - "Site B"?????  WilliamPitt   Dec-01-11 05:48 PM   #126 
                       - Perhaps she meant site B(ees)?  myrna minx   Dec-01-11 07:14 PM   #127 
                       - What are you talking about "swerve into subterfuge"and what is site b  LaurenG   Dec-01-11 08:37 PM   #128 
                    - Wow! are you full of SHIT!  rtassi   Dec-02-11 09:17 AM   #131 
                 - I didn't say that it was. I said ...  AtomicKitten   Dec-01-11 12:21 PM   #99 
                    - Maybe I posted in the wrong spot.  emcguffie   Dec-01-11 08:50 PM   #129 
  - Mr. Pitt  Juneboarder   Nov-30-11 02:47 PM   #32 
  - knr  frylock   Nov-30-11 03:02 PM   #36 
  - Well, at least he can get plenty of campaign funding from the corporations n/t  AntiFascist   Nov-30-11 03:16 PM   #38 
  - Excellent piece with a burning question as to why hasn't the  sad sally   Nov-30-11 03:18 PM   #39 
  - Truly...the questions mount and surely the Voters need to Know? That's Democratic Way...  KoKo   Nov-30-11 08:10 PM   #57 
  - I agree with most of what you wrote, Sally, but under the Uniform Code of Military Justice  bertman   Nov-30-11 11:00 PM   #74 
  - How long until he "compromises" with the fascists and settles for a "not as bad" bill?  Tierra_y_Libertad   Nov-30-11 03:25 PM   #41 
  - Here is a video you will enjoy:  bvar22   Nov-30-11 05:31 PM   #45 
  - It's a great video  malthaussen   Nov-30-11 05:53 PM   #49 
  - K&R.  City Lights   Nov-30-11 05:39 PM   #46 
  - Right?  WilliamPitt   Nov-30-11 05:51 PM   #48 
  - k&r...  spanone   Nov-30-11 05:53 PM   #50 
  - Excellent article Mr. Pitt. As always.  Autumn   Nov-30-11 06:10 PM   #51 
  - "We shall see"  WilliamPitt   Nov-30-11 06:18 PM   #52 
  - Have you ever seen the movie _The Seduction of Joe Tynan_, with Alan Alda  tblue37   Nov-30-11 07:04 PM   #53 
  - To a lesser degree "The Candidate" is still a good watch. But, Obama must have seen same movies  KoKo   Nov-30-11 08:12 PM   #58 
  - There's also another political film...  KoKo   Nov-30-11 08:29 PM   #59 
  - Obama  krucial   Nov-30-11 08:38 PM   #62 
  - The best I can say and "hopeful" about Obama is that by just being himself  KoKo   Nov-30-11 08:59 PM   #65 
  - K&R, thanks very much. n/t  Jefferson23   Nov-30-11 08:57 PM   #64 
  - Recommended.  mmonk   Nov-30-11 09:32 PM   #67 
  - very well done. i'm bookmarking this too...  nashville_brook   Nov-30-11 10:36 PM   #71 
  - Gut-check moment indeed. But, if past is prologue, well . . .  bertman   Nov-30-11 10:57 PM   #72 
  - Democrats in the House who voted for the bill are named at this website  JDPriestly   Dec-01-11 12:14 AM   #75 
  - Good read.  blackspade   Dec-01-11 12:18 AM   #76 
  - K&R Excellent article, hope Obama does the right thing  girl_interrupted   Dec-01-11 12:35 AM   #79 
  - Obama, stand UP! and  burrowowl   Dec-01-11 01:13 AM   #80 
  - kr  Norrin Radd   Dec-01-11 01:46 AM   #81 
  - You undoubtedly remember the phrase defining insanity  n2doc   Dec-01-11 05:51 AM   #84 
  - President Obama has placed a lot of focus on national security.  Enthusiast   Dec-01-11 07:07 AM   #85 
  - Well done, Mr. Pitt.  stlsaxman   Dec-01-11 07:20 AM   #86 
  - K&R  MissDeeds   Dec-01-11 07:36 AM   #87 
  - K & R.  chill_wind   Dec-01-11 08:49 AM   #88 
  - I liked this thread, WilliamPitt  Samantha   Dec-01-11 09:04 AM   #89 
  - If this bill passes,  Flora   Dec-01-11 09:05 AM   #90 
  - K&R  Owl   Dec-01-11 09:56 AM   #93 
  - knr  Douglas Carpenter   Dec-01-11 12:23 PM   #100 
  - There definitely needs to be hearings on WHY these men put that language in the bill  loudsue   Dec-01-11 12:26 PM   #101 
  - you seem to have answered your your own questions  roman7   Dec-01-11 12:35 PM   #103 
  - LOL!  Vinnie From Indy   Dec-01-11 12:36 PM   #104 
  - willfull ignorance is thinking there is no difference between bush & president obama  roman7   Dec-01-11 12:58 PM   #108 
     - It seems to me that the differences are merely in style and presentation  Vinnie From Indy   Dec-01-11 02:32 PM   #111 
  - The puppet likes the puppetty strings -  truedelphi   Dec-01-11 12:41 PM   #105 
  - oops two times  roman7   Dec-01-11 12:50 PM   #107 
  - Obama's record stands --  defendandprotect   Dec-01-11 01:30 PM   #109 
  - Kick! Sorry to be late so I could rec.  Shining Jack   Dec-01-11 03:15 PM   #113 
  - Lack of thesis statement... hurts... my... poor.. little... sensibilities....  ZombieHorde   Dec-01-11 03:50 PM   #117 
  - Some of us knew this would be the price we'd pay for electing the first Black President of the U.S.  Major Hogwash   Dec-01-11 04:12 PM   #118 
  - Your screen name suits your post.  WilliamPitt   Dec-01-11 04:18 PM   #119 
     - The tv screens will soon be filled with scenes of our troops finally returning home from the war.  Major Hogwash   Dec-01-11 09:29 PM   #130 
  - Thank you for this article. Some of the responses here are astonishing.  myrna minx   Dec-01-11 04:44 PM   #120 
  - Check out  WilliamPitt   Dec-01-11 05:41 PM   #122 
  - Missed the R, but here's your K.  Ignis   Dec-01-11 05:48 PM   #125 
  - ...  Solly Mack   Dec-02-11 05:49 PM   #134 
 

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