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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 03:12 PM
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45. Again, though..
You aren't getting it. Computers aren't intelligent, and even the best AI's have an incredibly difficult time determining context and understanding intent. Siri is neat, but it's nowhere near the "Best AI's". It's going to get quite a few wrong. The word abortion itself has three different meanings, and words with multiple meanings tend to offer the biggest problems to AI's, as they generally don't have context. It's like asking someone, "Where can I get a zinchuahua?" If they don't understand what a "zinchuahua" is, they're not going to be able to answer you, though they might guess that it's a kind of dog because of name similarities.

The OP article is also a bit deceptive. The article gives, as an example, a request phrased as "Where is Allegheny reproductive health center?" You and I understand what the author meant, but computers have no context. Are you looking for the physical middle of reproductive health in Allegheny? Are you looking for a health center named "Allegheny reproductive"? Are you looking for any reproductive health center in Allegheny? To you and I, this is a trivial question. To a context-free AI that doesn't really understand the intricacies of the English language, questions like that are a stumper...especially as it contains MULTIPLE words with multiple meanings. The author goes on to explain why this should be easy, as typing "Allegheny Reproductive" into Google brings back the results, but he fails to actually offer that phrase to Siri as a search option.

Understanding the words is one thing, but understanding CONTEXT is another. Dragon Dictate had functional voice recognition back in the 90's, but it was useless without a cognitive engine capable of transforming those words into actual actions. Siri may be the most advanced AI ever released on a mobile device, but it's still fairly primitive as far as AI's go, and has less cognitive ability than a puppy. It's very easy to confuse it.

The author should have asked the question using more difinitive words, "Where can I terminate a pregnancy", "Where is Planned Parenthood", and on, and on. Eliminate words with multiple meanings, and AI's have a much easier time understanding you.

Oh, and the author was also a bit unfair in comparing the results to Google. While Siri may refer some queries to Google, it doesn't actually use Google for its own results. Abstract questions ("What is abortion") get referred to Wolfram Alpha and Bing. Location information ("where is...") come from Yelp. If your local abortion clinic isn't listed in Yelp, and isn't listed as an abortion clinic, it isn't going to show up.

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  -Is Apple evil? You decide for yourself MattBaggins  Nov-30-11 09:56 AM   #0 
  - Oh dear god...  Atman   Nov-30-11 09:59 AM   #1 
  - Yup, fits under the definition of 'loaded question.' Here's that link:  freshwest   Nov-30-11 10:05 AM   #6 
  - Actual search result screen shots  REP   Nov-30-11 04:22 PM   #53 
  - Is Apple evil? Oh, god yes!  baldguy   Nov-30-11 10:02 AM   #2 
  - Saw the article yesterday and it makes one wonder  tomm2thumbs   Nov-30-11 10:03 AM   #3 
  - Here's some actual search results from the same area as the Gizmodo searcher  REP   Nov-30-11 04:23 PM   #55 
  - "Tech savy" people buy Windows?  wtmusic   Nov-30-11 10:04 AM   #4 
  - Apple and MS are both evil  lbrtbell   Nov-30-11 10:04 AM   #5 
  - I agree with you.  Lint Head   Nov-30-11 10:07 AM   #8 
  - Nah, companies aren't evil. People are evil, until they get tired of the game and evolve.  freshwest   Nov-30-11 10:09 AM   #10 
  - But corporations are people now...  begin_within   Nov-30-11 10:34 AM   #20 
     - Then maybe they'll get bored and evolve.. The owners, anyway...  freshwest   Nov-30-11 10:55 AM   #25 
  - Fallacy  DainBramaged   Nov-30-11 10:10 AM   #12 
  - Neither Apple or MS are "evil."  Atman   Nov-30-11 10:12 AM   #15 
     - you don't have to anthromorphize to see the results of a system in a society  saras   Nov-30-11 10:37 AM   #23 
        - No, they are corporations. They are chartered to make money.  Atman   Nov-30-11 11:04 AM   #27 
  - Why are women asking their cell phones about such an important decision?  Atman   Nov-30-11 10:06 AM   #7 
  - So I'm sure if a woman ever said to you "I've been raped"  MattBaggins   Nov-30-11 10:14 AM   #16 
  - So ask Linux.  Atman   Nov-30-11 10:15 AM   #17 
  - Here's MY search results from the same area. Hint: they're not called "abortion clinics"  REP   Nov-30-11 04:26 PM   #56 
     - Thanks - that's what I suspected.  wtmusic   Dec-01-11 09:57 AM   #69 
  - Precisely. Why should we allow additional avenues of opportunities  LanternWaste   Nov-30-11 11:35 AM   #31 
     - Why are you relying on Apple Computer for this?  Atman   Nov-30-11 12:33 PM   #32 
  - I just asked Siri...  johnnie   Nov-30-11 10:08 AM   #9 
  - You didn't phrase it in an awkward way that most humans couldn't understand.  wtmusic   Nov-30-11 10:11 AM   #14 
  - Why? Because Jobs made them rich.  closeupready   Nov-30-11 10:10 AM   #11 
  - It's the obscene profit margin they've maintained since day one that is evil  tridim   Nov-30-11 10:11 AM   #13 
  - Ummm ....  ParkieDem   Nov-30-11 10:22 AM   #18 
     - He's a victim of the RDF.  tridim   Nov-30-11 11:15 AM   #29 
        - "Apple products seem to turn off his brain" LOL  Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel   Nov-30-11 03:47 PM   #49 
  - give me some!  Javaman   Nov-30-11 10:32 AM   #19 
  - They're functional capitalists, right? They CAN'T HELP IT, or they'll GO OUT OF BUSINESS INSTANTLY  saras   Nov-30-11 10:35 AM   #21 
  - Just ask Adam......n/t  Dover   Nov-30-11 10:36 AM   #22 
  - Maybe that blogger has an accent that is difficult for Siri to process?  targetpractice   Nov-30-11 10:53 AM   #24 
  - From the screen shots it seems to have captured it fine.  MattBaggins   Nov-30-11 10:58 AM   #26 
     - Oh, my bad... But, do you really think this is deliberate?  targetpractice   Nov-30-11 11:10 AM   #28 
        - Apple needs to publically address this and put it to rest.  MattBaggins   Nov-30-11 11:16 AM   #30 
           - They've addressed publicly already by labeling Siri "beta"  targetpractice   Nov-30-11 12:55 PM   #33 
              - The problem isn't that Siri is beta software  baldguy   Nov-30-11 01:56 PM   #34 
                 - "Tech-savvy geeks"  targetpractice   Nov-30-11 02:41 PM   #42 
                    - I'm sorry, are you under the impression that "Tech-savvy geek" was derogatory?  baldguy   Nov-30-11 03:27 PM   #46 
                       - 'Apple products are made for children'.  wtmusic   Nov-30-11 03:41 PM   #48 
                       - .  baldguy   Nov-30-11 05:02 PM   #59 
                          - You have no idea what you're talking about  wtmusic   Nov-30-11 05:32 PM   #60 
                             - I've been selling computers for manufacturers & distributors for 12 yrs now.  baldguy   Nov-30-11 05:49 PM   #64 
                                - Then I can't understand why you wouldn't know that  wtmusic   Nov-30-11 06:15 PM   #66 
                       - No, I consider myself a tech-savvy geek sometimes.  targetpractice   Nov-30-11 04:21 PM   #52 
  - It's because Siri isn't a real AI...  Xithras   Nov-30-11 02:06 PM   #35 
  - You didn't check out the link  MattBaggins   Nov-30-11 02:25 PM   #38 
     - Again, though..  Xithras   Nov-30-11 03:12 PM   #45 
  - "My phone won't let me have an abortion!"  Dreamer Tatum   Nov-30-11 02:13 PM   #36 
  - You didn't even check out the link  MattBaggins   Nov-30-11 02:27 PM   #39 
     - I did read the stupid link.  Dreamer Tatum   Nov-30-11 02:30 PM   #40 
  - Siri can be rather contrary. See link.  alfredo   Nov-30-11 02:19 PM   #37 
  - Same reason there are no porn apps on the iPhone.  originalpckelly   Nov-30-11 02:37 PM   #41 
  - That's why QuickTime never became popular on the web...  targetpractice   Nov-30-11 02:51 PM   #43 
  - Hmm.  wtmusic   Nov-30-11 03:37 PM   #47 
     - Wow... Thanks for pooping on that assumption I've held for many years.  targetpractice   Nov-30-11 04:17 PM   #51 
        - I like those references, actually.  wtmusic   Nov-30-11 05:39 PM   #63 
  - You people are fucking stupid.  Atman   Nov-30-11 04:41 PM   #58 
     - What about when you're driving? nt  wtmusic   Nov-30-11 05:33 PM   #61 
     - I personally would not want to look at porn on an iPhone...  originalpckelly   Nov-30-11 05:53 PM   #65 
  - Yes, but only because their products don't use USB or SD cards  Ter   Nov-30-11 03:06 PM   #44 
  - WTF are you talking about?  Atman   Nov-30-11 04:37 PM   #57 
     - Sorry, I should have been more clear  Ter   Nov-30-11 05:35 PM   #62 
        - You're still wrong.  Atman   Nov-30-11 08:22 PM   #67 
           - No, you are wrong  Ter   Dec-01-11 12:46 PM   #70 
  - I'm more concerned about the suicide factory where all their stuff is made. nt  Romulox   Nov-30-11 03:50 PM   #50 
  - Apple isn't 'Evil' per se..........  AverageJoe90   Nov-30-11 04:22 PM   #54 
  - Wow, that is pretty damning. Men's sex health was included, but not women's. nt  ZombieHorde   Dec-01-11 12:27 AM   #68 

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