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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 08:24 PM
Response to Reply #25
28. "does not necessarily imply that driving under the influence of marijuana is safer than driving"
...under the influence of marijuana is safer than driving under the influence of alcohol."
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  -Legalizing Marijuana Reduces Traffic Fatalities RainDog  Nov-29-11 06:56 PM   #0 
  - But if you do smoke and drive, you're only going 5mph. Tada no fatalities  NightWatcher   Nov-29-11 06:59 PM   #1 
  - increased usage by adults. no increase found among teens  RainDog   Nov-29-11 07:02 PM   #2 
  - pretty much. while if a stoned guy might not have the snap reflexes to avoid, say, someone swerving  dionysus   Nov-29-11 07:07 PM   #3 
  - Sen. Barbara Boxer (2010) Legalization would lead to increase in crime, traffic accidents  RainDog   Nov-29-11 07:14 PM   #4 
  - If the politics around this weren't so toxic this would have some interesting policy implications  Exultant Democracy   Nov-29-11 07:19 PM   #5 
  - how so?  RainDog   Nov-29-11 07:24 PM   #7 
     - First that 9 percent drop in traffic fatalities if it was nation wide that would bigger then 9/11  Exultant Democracy   Nov-29-11 11:01 PM   #53 
        - Thanks for the reply!  RainDog   Nov-30-11 12:02 PM   #61 
        - to add - one of the best ways to avoid driving under the influence  RainDog   Nov-30-11 12:25 PM   #62 
  - The study does not support that conclusion  usregimechange   Nov-29-11 07:23 PM   #6 
  - it said cannabis resulted in a decrease in alcohol use  RainDog   Nov-29-11 07:25 PM   #8 
  - Better compared to horrible (alcohol) might not be an accurate frame of reference  usregimechange   Nov-29-11 07:50 PM   #13 
     - Traffic fatalities fall by 9% (9%!!!) with MMJ laws  RainDog   Nov-29-11 07:57 PM   #15 
     - The study did not indicate that cannabis by itself resulted in less alcohol use or fatalities  usregimechange   Nov-29-11 08:06 PM   #18 
     - Then what did the study indicate?  RainDog   Nov-29-11 08:12 PM   #21 
        - "we find that traffic fatalities fall by nearly 9 percent after the legalization of medical mar..."  usregimechange   Nov-29-11 08:16 PM   #24 
           - lol. no one claimed the study said marijuana makes driving safe  RainDog   Nov-29-11 08:23 PM   #27 
              - Given that that has been my point if no one is saying it I am not sure why you are objecting  usregimechange   Nov-29-11 08:29 PM   #30 
                 - You said that the study doesn't support what is mentioned in the OP.  EOTE   Nov-30-11 01:03 PM   #64 
                    - there's also a comment here  RainDog   Nov-30-11 02:16 PM   #67 
     - Medical marijuana laws did that all by themselves? And you have evidence of this right?  usregimechange   Nov-29-11 08:07 PM   #19 
        - Read the study n/t  RainDog   Nov-29-11 08:13 PM   #22 
           - I think you could and all of it including this quote that makes my point for me:  usregimechange   Nov-29-11 08:19 PM   #25 
              - "does not necessarily imply that driving under the influence of marijuana is safer than driving"  usregimechange   Nov-29-11 08:24 PM   #28 
              - butbut they didn't find that driving under the influence of marijuana is as dangerous  RainDog   Nov-29-11 08:27 PM   #29 
              - Agreed.  usregimechange   Nov-29-11 08:29 PM   #31 
              - I would say that fewer alcohol-fueled drivers IS safer  Tsiyu   Nov-29-11 09:35 PM   #38 
                 - I think they would be more safe but only because cannabis use reduces alcohol use  usregimechange   Nov-29-11 10:09 PM   #41 
                    - So the OP title is correct  Tsiyu   Nov-29-11 10:21 PM   #43 
                       - LOL.  RainDog   Nov-29-11 10:25 PM   #45 
                          - The same one we've been having for decades, huh?  Tsiyu   Nov-29-11 10:33 PM   #47 
                             - cognitive dissonance  RainDog   Nov-29-11 10:37 PM   #48 
                                - Thank YOU for staying on top of this issue  Tsiyu   Nov-29-11 11:17 PM   #54 
                                   - good to hear for your friend  RainDog   Nov-29-11 11:42 PM   #57 
                                      - I'm wondering if it's part of a study  Tsiyu   Nov-30-11 07:19 AM   #59 
                                         - so two different people...  RainDog   Nov-30-11 08:44 AM   #60 
                                            - Whenever my friend stops using cannabis  Tsiyu   Nov-30-11 12:50 PM   #63 
     - in other words, you have no argument here?  RainDog   Nov-29-11 07:59 PM   #16 
        - I love how during a debate people start describing my beliefs for me  usregimechange   Nov-29-11 08:08 PM   #20 
           - well, you deleted your response about claiming that better is not good  RainDog   Nov-29-11 08:13 PM   #23 
              - What it does indicate is that you are making a lot of assumptions here  usregimechange   Nov-29-11 08:22 PM   #26 
                 - your point has no point  RainDog   Nov-29-11 08:32 PM   #32 
                 - If you would stop distorting what I haven't said and arguing with that it may make more sense  usregimechange   Nov-29-11 08:48 PM   #34 
                    - "My point is that the conclusion that cannabis is safe because it is safer than alcohol is ridiculo"  RainDog   Nov-29-11 09:11 PM   #35 
                       - More safe does not equal safe, it is more safe to be assaulted than murdered for example  usregimechange   Nov-29-11 10:08 PM   #40 
                          - The leading pharmacologist in the UK, Roger Pertwee, said marijuana is safe  RainDog   Nov-29-11 10:22 PM   #44 
                 - And where did you read this conclusion, oh wise one?  EOTE   Nov-30-11 01:07 PM   #66 
                    - I would still like to hear evidence that marijuana is unsafe  RainDog   Nov-30-11 02:23 PM   #69 
                       - I don't believe that marijuana is unsafe, but that's not the focus of the article anyway.  EOTE   Nov-30-11 02:38 PM   #71 
                          - true. 70 years of govt propaganda are not easily gotten rid of  RainDog   Nov-30-11 03:36 PM   #72 
  - The Beer Institute found that sales decline with MMJ laws  RainDog   Nov-29-11 07:36 PM   #10 
  - I would love to see more peer-reviewed, good research  duhneece   Nov-29-11 07:33 PM   #9 
  - me too  RainDog   Nov-29-11 07:46 PM   #12 
  - #1 cash crop in America, legalize it and tax it,.  sarcasmo   Nov-29-11 07:41 PM   #11 
  - The absolute LAST thing a stoner wants to do when high is drive  Taverner   Nov-29-11 07:54 PM   #14 
  - the study also indicated that experience creates better drivers  RainDog   Nov-29-11 08:05 PM   #17 
     - That happens with drunken drivers too...  Taverner   Nov-29-11 08:42 PM   #33 
        - me too  RainDog   Nov-29-11 09:12 PM   #36 
           - Porn makes everyone happy :)  Taverner   Nov-29-11 09:12 PM   #37 
              - ummmm. don't wanna get into that argument...  RainDog   Nov-29-11 09:38 PM   #39 
                 - Can we call it pr0N?  Taverner   Nov-29-11 11:01 PM   #52 
                    - I usually avoid talking about much at it. call it what you like  RainDog   Nov-29-11 11:44 PM   #58 
  - That very headline is IMPOSSIBLE to prove.  cherokeeprogressive   Nov-29-11 10:13 PM   #42 
  - Medical Marijuana is Legal in 16 states and D.C. by state law  RainDog   Nov-29-11 10:28 PM   #46 
     - "LEGALIZING Marijuana REDUCES traffic fatalities."  cherokeeprogressive   Nov-29-11 10:39 PM   #49 
        - this is a study looking at marijuana usage, alcohol usage and traffic fatalities  RainDog   Nov-29-11 10:46 PM   #50 
        - here ya go  RainDog   Nov-29-11 10:54 PM   #51 
           - Studies have shown that leaving a bar before last call lowers insurance claims.  cherokeeprogressive   Nov-29-11 11:17 PM   #55 
              - that's not what the study tried to do  RainDog   Nov-29-11 11:29 PM   #56 
  - Kicked and recommended.  Uncle Joe   Nov-30-11 01:06 PM   #65 
  - Counterfactuals need to be proven, not merely stated. nt  Dreamer Tatum   Nov-30-11 02:19 PM   #68 
  - fact: cannabis is legal in 16 states and DC  RainDog   Nov-30-11 02:26 PM   #70 
  - Not particularly counter-intuitive. Now is it? n/t  Wilms   Nov-30-11 05:51 PM   #73 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-30-11 06:42 PM   #74 
     - thanks for the kick anyway, eh. n/t  RainDog   Nov-30-11 07:29 PM   #75 

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