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Tue Nov-29-11 08:36 AM
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| 53. What about us shareholders? |
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I have some of my retirement fund in bank stocks - as a 99 percenter, do I get compensated?
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| -There is no 'going Socialist', the US is already partially Socialist. The question is how much. |
stevenleser |
Nov-28-11 04:22 PM |
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75-90% |
Taverner |
Nov-28-11 04:28 PM |
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I should have added some additional figures, by the way... |
stevenleser |
Nov-28-11 04:42 PM |
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Has that ever been attempted on a large scale? |
hack89 |
Nov-28-11 04:54 PM |
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I disagree with that commenter on percentage, but Cuba nationalized all economic activity |
stevenleser |
Nov-28-11 05:22 PM |
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But Cuba also centralized economic decision making |
hack89 |
Nov-28-11 05:25 PM |
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Ah, interesting point, OK. nt |
stevenleser |
Nov-28-11 05:25 PM |
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No socialism has ever turned businesses over to the workers as far as I am aware. |
joshcryer |
Nov-28-11 08:45 PM |
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No - Never - and what better time than now? |
Taverner |
Nov-28-11 06:50 PM |
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Has capitalism failed in countries like Sweden? Norway? Finland? |
hack89 |
Nov-28-11 08:25 PM |
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It would be impossible without a constitutional ammendment denying the right to private property. |
joshcryer |
Nov-28-11 08:02 PM |
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Fortunately I don't see that ever happening. nt |
hack89 |
Nov-28-11 08:26 PM |
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Not so - Socialism doesn't mean the end of private property |
Taverner |
Nov-28-11 09:13 PM |
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Nah. Expropriate without just compensation requires an amendment to private property. |
joshcryer |
Nov-28-11 11:48 PM |
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In some cases, the companies have forfeited their right to fair compensation |
Taverner |
Nov-29-11 08:21 AM |
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And what do you think is the fair market value of all those companies |
hack89 |
Nov-29-11 05:35 AM |
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Well some of them have violated so many laws, they don't deserve fair market value |
Taverner |
Nov-29-11 08:20 AM |
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What about us shareholders? |
hack89 |
Nov-29-11 08:36 AM |
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Fair compensation for stockholders |
Taverner |
Nov-29-11 11:13 AM |
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Cash out at fair market value? nt |
hack89 |
Nov-29-11 11:55 AM |
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Socialize medicine; Socialize POLITICS (Public financing of elections); Socialize the public common |
Vincardog |
Nov-28-11 04:40 PM |
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Agree with all those, and also utilities IMO. (nt) |
redqueen |
Nov-28-11 04:44 PM |
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I include utilities under housing: Heat cooling water and sewerage |
Vincardog |
Nov-28-11 04:47 PM |
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I wonder if you would add banking to that. nt |
stevenleser |
Nov-28-11 04:50 PM |
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YES state banks should pay for the rest |
Vincardog |
Nov-28-11 04:55 PM |
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Of those I think we would have the most trouble socializing housing |
jwirr |
Nov-28-11 05:54 PM |
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I am talking about providing everybody minimum standards of each. We could leave the farmers |
Vincardog |
Nov-28-11 06:16 PM |
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That would work. |
jwirr |
Nov-28-11 06:49 PM |
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How do we socialize the courts? |
white_wolf |
Nov-28-11 07:08 PM |
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Public elections of ALL judges |
Vincardog |
Nov-29-11 10:57 AM |
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No, public financing has free speech implications, just fix reapportianment. We have too few reps. |
joshcryer |
Nov-28-11 08:49 PM |
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We missed a great chance to nationalize the banks. |
Enthusiast |
Nov-28-11 05:03 PM |
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There will be many more chances in the future. |
Fool Count |
Nov-28-11 08:16 PM |
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Do be wary of confusing and/or conflating |
Ghost Dog |
Nov-28-11 05:12 PM |
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Perhaps, but I prefer a simplification. Is an industry publicly or privately owned in whole or in |
stevenleser |
Nov-28-11 05:21 PM |
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answer: more.... |
mike_c |
Nov-28-11 05:12 PM |
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Private ownership of corporations should be the norm |
hack89 |
Nov-28-11 06:14 PM |
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Your defition of 'socialism' is bizarre to say the least. |
former9thward |
Nov-28-11 06:18 PM |
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It's a mixed economy |
Major Nikon |
Nov-28-11 08:55 PM |
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It's amazing how many people don't understand this and as a result, we flail around with econ labels |
stevenleser |
Nov-29-11 10:43 AM |
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yes, a mixed economy works |
newspeak |
Nov-30-11 12:38 PM |
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Clearly the current framework allows business to externalize too many costs. |
PETRUS |
Nov-28-11 06:24 PM |
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I wholeheartedly agree with your not so humble opinion |
Telly Savalas |
Nov-28-11 07:08 PM |
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You are confusing Socialism with State Capitalism. |
Odin2005 |
Nov-28-11 07:20 PM |
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There is no such thing as stateless capitalism. |
joshcryer |
Nov-28-11 07:56 PM |
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I have a theory |
Prophet 451 |
Nov-28-11 07:55 PM |
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Ummm, what about energy and water? n/t |
AntiFascist |
Nov-28-11 08:04 PM |
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Included in utilities |
Prophet 451 |
Nov-28-11 08:07 PM |
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I guess it should also include oil/gasoline for autos... |
AntiFascist |
Nov-28-11 08:12 PM |
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Hadn't thought of that |
Prophet 451 |
Nov-28-11 08:37 PM |
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Well, look at it this way... |
AntiFascist |
Nov-28-11 08:44 PM |
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OK, you convinced me |
Prophet 451 |
Nov-28-11 10:23 PM |
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Anything below the ground shouldn't be privately owned |
Major Nikon |
Nov-28-11 08:59 PM |
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The US is contantly fighting against becoming more of a social democracy, we're not far from it. |
joshcryer |
Nov-28-11 08:00 PM |
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I agree with health care - also add banks and energy. nt |
TBF |
Nov-28-11 08:19 PM |
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Banks don't need to be nationalized, credit unions already are public. |
joshcryer |
Nov-28-11 08:44 PM |
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Disagree on both counts. We have affordable energy because we keep raiding |
TBF |
Nov-28-11 08:55 PM |
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I dont think that is true |
stevenleser |
Nov-29-11 12:36 PM |
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Banks' RISK is 100% "socialized". Hence trillions in bankster bailouts. |
Romulox |
Nov-29-11 08:41 AM |
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I'm not a big fan of nationalizing many industries at all but I think the banks and financial system |
stevenleser |
Nov-29-11 10:45 AM |
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+1 vote for public health insurance |
limpyhobbler |
Nov-28-11 09:23 PM |
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Wal Mart employees are socialized |
kemah |
Nov-29-11 08:33 AM |
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Who cares if some white boy |
Mosaic |
Nov-29-11 10:53 AM |
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Depends solely on |
kctim |
Nov-29-11 12:30 PM |
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The Constitution specifically calls for some Socialism, to Wit, Article 1 Section 8 |
stevenleser |
Nov-30-11 11:36 AM |
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True |
kctim |
Nov-30-11 12:29 PM |
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I'm not sure you understand what I am saying. There is no 'change'. We are partially Socialist, as |
stevenleser |
Nov-30-11 02:06 PM |
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I understand |
kctim |
Dec-01-11 12:35 PM |
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If we look at "general welfare" then ALL of the economy should be socially based -- |
defendandprotect |
Nov-29-11 12:35 PM |
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The biggest fucking whiners about socialism, are the ones who benefit the most from it. |
tjwash |
Nov-30-11 12:54 PM |
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that's just because they are the "we got ours, we don't give a shite about anyone else." |
newspeak |
Nov-30-11 01:24 PM |
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