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Sun Jan-23-11 01:34 PM
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| 151. More non-responsiveness, and further desperate attempts to change the subject. See #62 & #72 above, |
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and please try again.
"show me where I post something that's not true. If I made a mistake, I'm sorry, it would not be intentional. And if you find a mistake, I'll be happy to correct it"
See this entire sub-thread, including my first post that replied to your OP. It is chock-full of facts that you have yet to refute (let alone even address), and that definitively show where you have posted opinions - not facts, but opinions - that are historically inaccurate and factually incorrect.
Since you have refused to provide counter-data to refute these facts I have posted, and instead continue to attempt to change the subject to deflect attention from your inability to do so, one must only conclude that such dodges are deliberate because you have no substantive facts with which to counter historical truth.
Now, you can continue to squirm and dodge and deflect all you wish: I'm not playing that game. Go back to replies #62 & #72, read the queries posted to you there, and answer those questions. I will deal with you on no other terms regarding this discussion, period.
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| -When I voted for Barack Obama in 2008, in a way, I thought I was voting for JFK. |
Octafish |
Jan-20-11 10:58 PM |
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K&R That's a really amazing and scary article too. |
Waiting For Everyman |
Jan-20-11 11:10 PM |
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It's not an "article," it's shit someone posted on their blog. |
TheWraith |
Jan-21-11 12:35 AM |
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I disagree |
hootinholler |
Jan-21-11 10:38 AM |
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yup |
subject |
Jan-21-11 04:58 PM |
#93 |
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i'm reading the book the Family, they own everyone.. |
sam sarrha |
Jan-21-11 08:49 PM |
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No it's not. |
pam4water |
Jan-21-11 11:31 PM |
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Did I say "news"? Or was that your word? Are there no other kinds of articles? |
Waiting For Everyman |
Jan-22-11 02:49 AM |
#126 |
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Every point made is sourced... |
Octafish |
Jan-21-11 07:55 AM |
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This is kind of an aside, but the other night I heard a show about the 'real' |
gateley |
Jan-20-11 11:14 PM |
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I'm kinda where you are on this. |
Old and In the Way |
Jan-21-11 12:13 AM |
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Rebuilding is the key word - I think we're beyond patching it up. |
gateley |
Jan-21-11 12:45 AM |
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Poor Obama |
Oilwellian |
Jan-21-11 10:29 AM |
#48 |
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You're missing the point of the thread |
Doctor_J |
Jan-21-11 01:18 PM |
#63 |
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TAHNK YOU! Truth be told! |
rtassi |
Jan-21-11 02:50 PM |
#74 |
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In a way, I'm not buying it |
lark |
Jan-21-11 04:51 PM |
#92 |
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I think Obama had no choice. No one would be able to fully supplant BushInc's global control |
blm |
Jan-21-11 01:30 PM |
#65 |
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What if he didn't care about being reelected? |
cyberpj |
Jan-21-11 12:04 PM |
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I'm right where you are. |
blm |
Jan-21-11 01:32 PM |
#67 |
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I'm a Democrat and I'm voting for Obama if he's on the ballot in 2012. |
Octafish |
Jan-21-11 08:03 AM |
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I think perhaps |
frazzled |
Jan-20-11 11:18 PM |
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+1. n/t. |
apocalypsehow |
Jan-21-11 12:10 AM |
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The Bay of Pigs was organized by Dulles and Lemnitzer for Eisenhower and Nixon. |
Octafish |
Jan-21-11 08:11 AM |
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Kennedy did not have to go through with the plan |
frazzled |
Jan-21-11 10:00 AM |
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True. But Dulles and Lemnitzer said the Cuban people would greet the liberators with flowers, etc. |
Octafish |
Jan-21-11 10:37 AM |
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The big problem with President Kennedy was that he did not learn |
jwirr |
Jan-21-11 06:51 PM |
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"cognitive infiltration of extremist groups," |
Agony |
Jan-20-11 11:20 PM |
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Why would a constitutional scholar do that? |
Octafish |
Jan-21-11 08:16 AM |
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Quite often I thought he came from another planet |
fadedrose |
Jan-20-11 11:29 PM |
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When the Treasury can fork up trillions for Wall Street and zip for Main Street, we got a problem. |
Octafish |
Jan-21-11 08:22 AM |
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Jan-20-11 11:29 PM |
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'Senator, You're No Jack Kennedy' n/t |
OhioChick |
Jan-20-11 11:35 PM |
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That was this guy... |
Octafish |
Jan-21-11 08:27 AM |
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Necessity IS the mother of invention. No Necessity, no invention. nt |
patrice |
Jan-21-11 06:13 PM |
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JFK took over after Eisenhower, not Bush |
Motown_Johnny |
Jan-20-11 11:37 PM |
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Perhaps it's about time he got started, then. |
Capitalocracy |
Jan-21-11 12:53 AM |
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Mess to clean up? He's forgiven the whole mess! |
Bluebear |
Jan-21-11 12:54 AM |
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+1 n/t |
MissDeeds |
Jan-21-11 08:36 AM |
#31 |
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+2 nt. |
cyberpj |
Jan-21-11 12:07 PM |
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My POTUS Obama support and vote was for the best of FDR and JFK in a more serious and |
PufPuf23 |
Jan-21-11 12:00 AM |
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''I am anti-war, pro-Nature, and pro-humane dignity for all born.'' |
Octafish |
Jan-21-11 08:38 AM |
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Octafish. Your posts always inform and expand thought as in this response. |
PufPuf23 |
Jan-22-11 01:18 AM |
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There was never a more ferocious Cold Warrior & devoted friend of the "MIC"* than JFK. |
apocalypsehow |
Jan-21-11 12:09 AM |
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JFK opposed Dulles and Lemnitzer when they counseled all-out nuclear sneak attack on the USSR. |
Octafish |
Jan-21-11 10:51 AM |
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Non-responsive, and *distorted* non-responsiveness at that. JFK did no such thing, because neither |
apocalypsehow |
Jan-21-11 12:27 PM |
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Connect some dots, will ya? ''Kennedy favored negotiations over conflict.'' |
Octafish |
Jan-21-11 02:04 PM |
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More non-responsiveness. The "dots" of fact-based history have all been "connected" by legitimate |
apocalypsehow |
Jan-21-11 02:29 PM |
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"Kennedy was surrounded by hawks" - And quite by choice. It was JFK who appointed Curtis LeMay to |
apocalypsehow |
Jan-21-11 02:38 PM |
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And *still* waiting for a substantive, factual reply. I won't be holding my breath... |
apocalypsehow |
Jan-23-11 12:38 AM |
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Thank you for reminding me: Whatever happened to that "bibliography" you promised me? |
Octafish |
Jan-23-11 02:41 AM |
#150 |
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More non-responsiveness, and further desperate attempts to change the subject. See #62 & #72 above, |
apocalypsehow |
Jan-23-11 01:34 PM |
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Kennedy ran for president on a militaristic, "missile gap" message |
Kolesar |
Jan-21-11 01:56 PM |
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ME..... |
FrenchieCat |
Jan-21-11 02:04 AM |
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There's nothing in the OP about race. But thanks for bringing it up |
leftstreet |
Jan-21-11 02:08 AM |
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Jan-21-11 02:16 AM |
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Jan-21-11 10:15 AM |
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??? Odd. OP is about an individual's expectations, so is FC's post. What gives? nt |
patrice |
Jan-21-11 06:22 PM |
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Yeah, you never walked with him anyway. |
cherokeeprogressive |
Jan-21-11 02:14 AM |
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undignified |
H2O Man |
Jan-21-11 08:14 AM |
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And offensive |
MissDeeds |
Jan-21-11 08:39 AM |
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you're being kind |
frylock |
Jan-21-11 02:56 PM |
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But consistent. |
Forkboy |
Jan-21-11 05:29 PM |
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You got that |
Ichingcarpenter |
Jan-22-11 08:29 AM |
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I hear what you're saying. |
elias49 |
Jan-21-11 09:14 AM |
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A President Like My Father |
Octafish |
Jan-22-11 11:45 AM |
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C'mon Frenchie. I am a woman of color who thinks this is really tacky. |
Tatiana |
Jan-21-11 09:19 AM |
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LOL |
RainDog |
Jan-21-11 11:13 PM |
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You know it. |
Bluebear |
Jan-23-11 11:50 PM |
#152 |
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Thanks for explaining how you vote. n/t |
Catherina |
Jan-21-11 10:11 AM |
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You seem to be the only one here who cares what color he is |
tkmorris |
Jan-21-11 01:26 PM |
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Jan-21-11 02:58 PM |
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That took you 9 words to be irrelevant. |
Forkboy |
Jan-21-11 05:25 PM |
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is that ALL you think about? |
ima_sinnic |
Jan-21-11 07:09 PM |
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Jack was scared of the race problem IMHO |
Scruffy1 |
Jan-21-11 07:11 PM |
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JFK federalized the Alabama National Guard and opened up the University to African Americans. |
Octafish |
Jan-21-11 08:25 PM |
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Man... you do a good battle... JFK also |
Ichingcarpenter |
Jan-22-11 08:37 AM |
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what a telling post that was! n/t |
TK421 |
Jan-22-11 10:20 AM |
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If he was a JFK |
Ichingcarpenter |
Jan-21-11 08:00 AM |
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I cried too. I also cried happy tears when he nominated Associate Justice Sotomayor. |
Octafish |
Jan-21-11 11:00 AM |
#55 |
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Yes, it is. |
mmonk |
Jan-21-11 08:13 AM |
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Obama’s Deregulation Dance with Wall Street |
Octafish |
Jan-21-11 11:13 AM |
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Thanks for the post and keep them coming. |
mmonk |
Jan-21-11 12:23 PM |
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ah yes, the US(Foreign Labor)Chamber of Commerce..... |
StarsInHerHair |
Jan-21-11 08:43 PM |
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Not me... |
affrayer |
Jan-21-11 08:24 AM |
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You are incorrectly projecting your idealism onto JFK |
Freddie Stubbs |
Jan-21-11 08:41 AM |
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Respectfully disagree. |
H2O Man |
Jan-21-11 08:51 AM |
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The same JFK who sent Marines to the Dominican Republic? |
Freddie Stubbs |
Jan-21-11 09:05 AM |
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Yes, that's him! |
H2O Man |
Jan-21-11 10:01 AM |
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Seems you dont like Democrats do you Freddie. nm |
rhett o rick |
Jan-21-11 10:29 PM |
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K&R. So did I. |
Overseas |
Jan-21-11 08:42 AM |
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Definitely recommended. |
H2O Man |
Jan-21-11 08:55 AM |
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I understand your post, I'm just confused as to your reasoning. |
newtothegame |
Jan-21-11 10:11 AM |
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Yeah. The label said ''Democrat.'' Those things mean ''Democrat.'' |
Octafish |
Jan-21-11 10:43 AM |
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Fair enough; but a JFK redo? That's even more of a stretch. nt |
newtothegame |
Jan-21-11 10:52 AM |
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I voted for |
ProSense |
Jan-21-11 10:24 AM |
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Jan-21-11 10:33 PM |
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Jan-22-11 11:57 AM |
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There was no other viable choice, my friend. |
hootinholler |
Jan-21-11 10:29 AM |
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Dean |
ProSense |
Jan-21-11 10:46 AM |
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Yawn.....Sorry but this is bullshit |
MadMaddie |
Jan-21-11 11:12 AM |
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Sorry you feel that way. |
Octafish |
Jan-22-11 09:24 AM |
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I voted for him and I got pretty much what I expected. |
MilesColtrane |
Jan-21-11 11:28 AM |
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Jan-21-11 01:31 PM |
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Capitalization would be a nice thing. eom |
Kolesar |
Jan-21-11 01:57 PM |
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RECOMMEND! |
Poboy |
Jan-21-11 01:57 PM |
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Jan-21-11 02:53 PM |
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LOL!!! |
Swamp Rat |
Jan-21-11 03:06 PM |
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MEEP! |
hootinholler |
Jan-23-11 01:41 AM |
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That just proves you were as naive as Caroline was. |
Beacool |
Jan-21-11 02:56 PM |
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oh please, she lost, get over it. |
iamthebandfanman |
Jan-21-11 05:09 PM |
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That's the whole point. |
Beacool |
Jan-21-11 08:24 PM |
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He wasn't--he just had vastly superior campaign organizers |
eridani |
Jan-21-11 09:09 PM |
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You obviously werent paying attention to what he was saying during the campaign.. |
DCBob |
Jan-21-11 03:02 PM |
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Quite possibly I was confused. |
Octafish |
Jan-22-11 09:37 AM |
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Maybe you should have just voted for Obama, and saved yourself the disillusionment...nt |
SidDithers |
Jan-21-11 03:03 PM |
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Jan-21-11 03:10 PM |
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i was hoping for a bobby kennedy.... |
madrchsod |
Jan-21-11 03:14 PM |
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Jan-21-11 04:29 PM |
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My theory about President Obama |
steve2470 |
Jan-21-11 03:17 PM |
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Then why didn't he just do "some" good the first 2 yrs, with Dem majorities? |
leftstreet |
Jan-21-11 05:26 PM |
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Good point. |
steve2470 |
Jan-21-11 06:00 PM |
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A lot of people thought this. I remember shedding a tear |
davidwparker |
Jan-21-11 03:29 PM |
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Those were remarkable moments -- filled with promise for peace and justice. |
Octafish |
Jan-22-11 09:11 AM |
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I truly thought it would be different too |
cbc5g |
Jan-21-11 03:47 PM |
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WHY do I get the feeling... |
ConservativeDemocrat |
Jan-21-11 04:08 PM |
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+20 |
Number23 |
Jan-21-11 09:40 PM |
#118 |
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Which JFk are you refering to. The Cold War warrior or someone else? |
Kaleva |
Jan-21-11 04:09 PM |
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when i voted for mckinney i knew exactly ... |
Buenaventura |
Jan-21-11 04:28 PM |
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I didn't. I didn't think he'd be as right leaning but I knew he was a centrist. |
devilgrrl |
Jan-21-11 04:32 PM |
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Too bad... Others didn't make that mistake. Some people's eyes were opened by what happend to Dean. |
patrice |
Jan-21-11 05:02 PM |
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Well. You see what happened to JFK.... |
Butch350 |
Jan-21-11 05:20 PM |
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I never saw Obama as much more than a step up. |
Forkboy |
Jan-21-11 05:40 PM |
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K/R -- back later to fully read ... we need candidates who don't want to be |
defendandprotect |
Jan-21-11 05:45 PM |
#101 |
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Couldn't agree more, I thought we would be returning |
sabrina 1 |
Jan-21-11 06:32 PM |
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He and the First Family rock! |
politicasista |
Jan-21-11 07:18 PM |
#109 |
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When did TPTB turn Obama? |
Hotler |
Jan-21-11 07:23 PM |
#110 |
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I knew he was no Kennedy... That's why I wanted Kucinich! |
RoccoR5955 |
Jan-21-11 07:37 PM |
#111 |
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K&R. (nt) |
Kurovski |
Jan-21-11 07:49 PM |
#112 |
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JFK was killed |
Rosa Luxemburg |
Jan-21-11 10:36 PM |
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Oh Puh-leese. Look at Kennedy's handling of the Bay of Pigs and escalating our presence in |
Pryderi |
Jan-21-11 11:11 PM |
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Actually we do know the history of JFK |
Ichingcarpenter |
Jan-22-11 09:32 AM |
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/ignored |
Pryderi |
Jan-22-11 09:41 AM |
#135 |
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I was hoping for Abraham Lincoln. |
DCBob |
Jan-22-11 08:04 AM |
#127 |
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Because JFK was a beacon for peace & justice? Try a history book..... |
RollWithIt |
Jan-22-11 09:40 AM |
#134 |
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Thank you for the suggestion. I read about 20 books per year now... |
Octafish |
Jan-22-11 10:04 AM |
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I agree. |
H2O Man |
Jan-22-11 10:16 AM |
#137 |
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Agreed..... when I first came to DU |
Ichingcarpenter |
Jan-22-11 10:47 AM |
#139 |
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Oh, Snap! |
grahamhgreen |
Jan-22-11 11:13 AM |
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I voted for a less flawed candidate. |
mix |
Jan-22-11 11:00 AM |
#140 |
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Yes, I've always thought that Blogspot blogs were the best source of news around. |
Arkana |
Jan-22-11 11:10 AM |
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I didn't. I knew Obama would be |
frogmarch |
Jan-22-11 11:17 AM |
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Sorry, but Obama made his policies clear and anyone who thought he was JFK |
McCamy Taylor |
Jan-23-11 01:53 AM |
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"The bill I sign must include the public option! I will roll back the Bush-era tax cuts!" |
Bluebear |
Jan-23-11 01:56 AM |
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To be honest I voted for him believing he would be Bill Clinton Part II and it seems |
deacon |
Jan-24-11 03:37 AM |
#153 |
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Thanks for posting, Octafish. It's amazing, isn't it, how on what is supposed to be a progressive |
truth2power |
Jan-24-11 05:20 AM |
#154 |
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Sorry I didn't catch this in time to recommend. |
robertpaulsen |
Jan-24-11 12:02 PM |
#155 |
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