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Response to Reply #144
151. There is no "key difference": the "illogic" is the same. The rest is just wordy non-responsiveness.
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  -Dad: Twins came from stolen sperm alp227  Nov-27-11 07:35 PM   #0 
  - the strangest thing is  Skittles   Nov-27-11 07:36 PM   #1 
  - +1!  Rhiannon12866   Nov-27-11 07:41 PM   #2 
  - She doesn't sound like the brightest bulb on the tree  Major Nikon   Nov-27-11 08:12 PM   #13 
     - Revenge Fertility - she is wacked in the head  FreakinDJ   Nov-27-11 08:27 PM   #14 
     - she's loco, for sure  Skittles   Nov-27-11 09:06 PM   #20 
  - So those weren't vanilla Popsicles in the freezer?  TheCowsCameHome   Nov-27-11 07:42 PM   #3 
  - Possession is 9/10th of the law.  itsrobert   Nov-27-11 07:44 PM   #4 
  - Hmmm. So should he get custody and child support in this case? OR  The Straight Story   Nov-27-11 07:44 PM   #5 
  - Since when do insurance companies allow you to put your  Angry Dragon   Nov-27-11 07:47 PM   #6 
  - I am not sure of ALL of the companies  Horse with no Name   Nov-27-11 08:29 PM   #16 
  - As consensual sex implies a freely given donation,  musette_sf   Nov-27-11 07:50 PM   #7 
  - I'm actually inclined to agree with you  Warren DeMontague   Nov-27-11 07:51 PM   #8 
  - But he made his deposit into a condom  Duer 157099   Nov-27-11 08:11 PM   #12 
  - But that wouldn't be in the best interests of the children.  Lyric   Nov-27-11 09:28 PM   #22 
  - I understand. But play along with this thought experiment  Duer 157099   Nov-27-11 09:51 PM   #24 
  - Both parents would be financially liable for the child, who is blameless.  Lyric   Nov-28-11 08:14 AM   #36 
     - Maybe the clinic should have to pay the father's share of support  muriel_volestrangler   Nov-29-11 05:09 AM   #119 
  - Wouldn't the best interests of the children be served...  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-27-11 10:53 PM   #30 
  - That's my argument against "best interests of the child," too  Yupster   Nov-28-11 09:22 AM   #45 
  - They won't pay for their own kids. But they'll pay into a government fund?  Pithlet   Nov-28-11 09:42 AM   #51 
  - If a DNA test proves he's the father, why not?  Bunny   Nov-28-11 11:42 AM   #78 
     - Why is DNA similarity relevant to the best interests of the child? n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-28-11 11:46 AM   #81 
        - Well, that's too stupid to respond to.  Bunny   Nov-28-11 11:48 AM   #82 
        - But the best interests of the child trumps fairness!  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-28-11 11:52 AM   #84 
           - Yeah, because fuck the interest of kids! n/t  Pithlet   Nov-28-11 12:17 PM   #90 
        - Because they have no say in how they came to be, that's why.  Pithlet   Nov-28-11 12:32 PM   #92 
           - You know, anti-choicers make this kind of "argument" all the time. They just change the terms. n/t.  apocalypsehow   Nov-28-11 08:13 PM   #106 
           - Well, I don't know about you, but there's a good reason I'm not an anti-choicer.  Pithlet   Nov-29-11 03:06 PM   #135 
           - +1  jberryhill   Nov-28-11 08:13 PM   #107 
  - Fuck that.  Codeine   Nov-28-11 09:20 AM   #44 
  - Completely disagree.  closeupready   Nov-28-11 09:29 AM   #48 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-28-11 11:21 AM   #68 
  - You know, anti-choicers make this kind of "argument" all the time. They just change the terms. n/t.  apocalypsehow   Nov-28-11 08:12 PM   #105 
  - You know, anti-choicers are talking about ova, zygotes, embryos, and fetuses.  Gormy Cuss   Nov-29-11 12:59 PM   #123 
     - You know, anti-choicers believe they're talking about children, too. The logic is identical.  apocalypsehow   Nov-29-11 02:50 PM   #133 
        - And some children believe in Santa. What are you going to do?  Pithlet   Nov-29-11 03:18 PM   #137 
        - The key difference is that I do not need to validate the anti-choicer illogic.  Gormy Cuss   Nov-29-11 11:24 PM   #144 
           - There is no "key difference": the "illogic" is the same. The rest is just wordy non-responsiveness.  apocalypsehow   Nov-30-11 01:20 PM   #151 
  - Best interest of the kids?  Wait Wut   Nov-29-11 01:22 PM   #124 
  - I agree... if it happened as he says it did, he was practicing birth control  Blasphemer   Nov-28-11 10:30 AM   #58 
  - Practicing birth control is no 100% guarantee that a pregnancy will not occur  jberryhill   Nov-28-11 11:25 AM   #71 
     - I would agree under normal circumstances  Blasphemer   Nov-28-11 03:27 PM   #98 
        - I don't have a hard time with the fraud aspect  jberryhill   Nov-28-11 03:33 PM   #99 
           - I agree. Sue the clinic for their negligence if there were any way possible his story was true  Pithlet   Nov-28-11 08:11 PM   #104 
  - I knew the stories, and used to be so paranoid that  Blue_Tires   Nov-28-11 10:48 AM   #62 
  - *Supposedly* she did.  musette_sf   Nov-28-11 02:14 PM   #93 
  - Oh come on, if it actually went down as he claims, he isn't being "whiny" for no reason...  octothorpe   Nov-28-11 12:19 AM   #32 
  - Chances that "it actually went down as he claims"  musette_sf   Nov-28-11 02:17 PM   #94 
     - Exactly  Dorian Gray   Nov-29-11 06:05 AM   #120 
  - he gave his sperm to the condom, not to her.  provis99   Nov-28-11 12:26 AM   #34 
     - What if she bought the condom?  JoePhilly   Nov-28-11 09:29 AM   #47 
     - Then she and Mr. condom are parents?  ChairmanAgnostic   Nov-28-11 09:10 PM   #115 
     - Consensual congress implies donation by consent.  musette_sf   Nov-28-11 02:21 PM   #95 
        - no, it doesnt.  provis99   Nov-28-11 08:02 PM   #102 
        - "prejudices"?  musette_sf   Nov-28-11 08:22 PM   #109 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-29-11 12:58 AM   #118 
              - Wrong. The whole bit about her duping him with a condom his his story.  Pithlet   Nov-29-11 09:08 AM   #121 
              - Um, it is NOT "the woman's story".  musette_sf   Nov-29-11 12:53 PM   #122 
        - Quote that to us in the statutory code somewhere, please. Any random state or the Federal code will  apocalypsehow   Nov-28-11 08:15 PM   #108 
           - see reply to the other "legal beagle":  musette_sf   Nov-28-11 08:26 PM   #110 
              - So, you got no cite to any statutory code or law, just another post long on snark and nada on facts.  apocalypsehow   Nov-28-11 08:33 PM   #112 
                 - So cite me some code or established precedent in law  musette_sf   Nov-28-11 09:04 PM   #113 
                    - "foamy wake"  TorchTheWitch   Nov-28-11 09:46 PM   #116 
                    - This is one of the best posts I've ever seen here.  Warren DeMontague   Nov-28-11 11:36 PM   #117 
                    - As a member of the waning years of the Era of Euphemism,  musette_sf   Nov-29-11 06:17 PM   #143 
                    - I continue to ask you to provide proof for you assertion: you continue to be unable to provide it.  apocalypsehow   Nov-29-11 02:46 PM   #131 
                    - I'm just using common sense.  musette_sf   Nov-29-11 05:02 PM   #139 
                       - No, you're making assertions about the law which you are then uable to back up with facts. n/t.  apocalypsehow   Nov-30-11 01:07 PM   #148 
                    - Just in case it's slipped your mind here is the assertion you continue to fail to provide proof for:  apocalypsehow   Nov-29-11 02:58 PM   #134 
                       - There's a reason men keep losing these court cases.  Pithlet   Nov-29-11 03:09 PM   #136 
                       - As YOU are the person attempting to assert  musette_sf   Nov-29-11 05:11 PM   #140 
                          - As YOU are the person who made the original claim as to law, the burden in YOU to provide a cite or  apocalypsehow   Nov-30-11 01:13 PM   #149 
  - There is a lot of this going on at the Super 8 on the Katy Freeway.  Schema Thing   Nov-27-11 08:06 PM   #9 
  - Jesus  Warren DeMontague   Nov-27-11 08:07 PM   #10 
     - ....and wring them out into a test tube?  Schema Thing   Nov-27-11 09:02 PM   #19 
     - nah  musette_sf   Nov-28-11 09:08 PM   #114 
  - If his allegations are true, it's fraud on her part  Major Nikon   Nov-27-11 08:10 PM   #11 
  - why would this woman want kids from this troll in the first place?  provis99   Nov-27-11 08:28 PM   #15 
  - It seems he has a good paying job  Angry Dragon   Nov-27-11 08:35 PM   #18 
  - This should be easy to settle  tammywammy   Nov-27-11 08:31 PM   #17 
  - An easier track would be for him to explain how they got his blood sample  Major Nikon   Nov-27-11 09:23 PM   #21 
  - The clinic will be fined for fraud  Yupster   Nov-28-11 09:23 AM   #46 
  - There is actually more to this story....  aaaaaa5a   Nov-27-11 09:42 PM   #23 
  - From the story  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-27-11 10:49 PM   #27 
  - +1  treestar   Nov-28-11 10:19 AM   #52 
  - So... He is ok with pre-marital sex but not a fertility clinic?  Ohio Joe   Nov-27-11 09:55 PM   #25 
  - They all have their hypocrites.  xfundy   Nov-27-11 10:51 PM   #28 
  - I imagine hypocrites make up the majority of the human population  LanternWaste   Nov-28-11 12:11 PM   #88 
  - Maybe he's not okay with being a dad. Isn't that acceptable? n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-27-11 10:52 PM   #29 
  - Yeah but...  Ohio Joe   Nov-27-11 10:59 PM   #31 
  - Then he shouldn't have sex if that's the way he feels.  liberalhistorian   Nov-28-11 09:10 AM   #42 
     - Let me get this straight.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-28-11 10:25 AM   #54 
     - Basically yes, if you have sex, you accept  liberalhistorian   Nov-28-11 10:33 AM   #60 
        - Multiple security steps?  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-28-11 11:18 AM   #66 
        - Back when they had only four channels on TV I used to watch a preacher man shout and wave his arms  apocalypsehow   Nov-28-11 08:31 PM   #111 
           - + like, millions...  sibelian   Nov-29-11 01:46 PM   #126 
           - That's a really interesting view  Pithlet   Nov-29-11 03:25 PM   #138 
              - It would be, if anyone had expressed any such view. As they have not, one assumes you started a  apocalypsehow   Nov-30-11 01:17 PM   #150 
     - It's odd how women can do whatever they want responsibility wise, but men are always on the hook.  originalpckelly   Nov-28-11 11:23 AM   #70 
        - Gee. I want to live in that world where women can do whatever they want!  Pithlet   Nov-28-11 11:28 AM   #73 
  - The One Where You Do What You Want  NeedleCast   Nov-28-11 08:47 AM   #39 
  - So who made the withdrawal if he didn't ....a succubus  Historic NY   Nov-27-11 10:37 PM   #26 
  - I don't get it. How could his girlfriend "steal" his sperm if not without his consent  WildNovember   Nov-28-11 12:21 AM   #33 
  - This story is novel only in that IVF was involved.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-28-11 11:32 AM   #74 
  - What a phony story. Once you read the whole article, it's obvious the guy is lying.Those poor kids  Liquorice   Nov-28-11 12:35 AM   #35 
  - It's completely ridiculous.  Pithlet   Nov-28-11 08:41 AM   #38 
     - His lawyer bought it  Major Nikon   Nov-28-11 08:52 AM   #40 
     - Who says his lawyer believes him?  Pithlet   Nov-28-11 08:55 AM   #41 
     - That's why I said his lawyer could be trying to extort money out of the clinic  Major Nikon   Nov-28-11 09:19 AM   #43 
        - It's not very possible.  Pithlet   Nov-28-11 09:37 AM   #50 
     - The lawyer thinks he can get a jury to agree with it  treestar   Nov-28-11 10:21 AM   #53 
     - We'll see. Bookmarking.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-28-11 10:30 AM   #57 
     - Perfectly fine by me n/t  Pithlet   Nov-28-11 10:33 AM   #59 
     - +1  redqueen   Nov-28-11 02:25 PM   #96 
  - How did the clinic get his blood?  AngryAmish   Nov-28-11 08:37 AM   #37 
  - That's probably where the case is going to hinge  Major Nikon   Nov-28-11 10:26 AM   #55 
  - It'd be easy enough.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-28-11 10:29 AM   #56 
     - Yet another step in the deception. My, my, my.  Pithlet   Nov-28-11 10:34 AM   #61 
        - She obtained post-breakup IVF from a clinic which he's never step foot in.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-28-11 11:14 AM   #64 
           - You seem to be accepting an awful lot of fact unquestioningly  Pithlet   Nov-28-11 11:17 AM   #65 
              - The evidence that he never stepped foot in the clinic are the statements of the clinic director.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-28-11 11:20 AM   #67 
                 - No it isn't.  Pithlet   Nov-28-11 11:21 AM   #69 
                    - The difference is lawyer-ese.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-28-11 11:28 AM   #72 
                    - Yep. Those sneaky laywers. Thanks for making my point for me.  Pithlet   Nov-28-11 11:33 AM   #75 
                       - Except for your chart, the appointment book and the fact that your Dr knows you, I suppose so.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-28-11 11:35 AM   #76 
                          - I didn't sign that chart and appointment book! And the Dr is lying!  Pithlet   Nov-28-11 11:37 AM   #77 
                             - No one says the fertility doctor is lying.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-28-11 11:44 AM   #79 
                                - The law suit is against the fertility clinic.  Pithlet   Nov-28-11 11:45 AM   #80 
                                   - If they can't prove they've ever spoken to the guy, then they should lose.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-28-11 11:50 AM   #83 
                                      - There is conflicting information in the story.  Pithlet   Nov-28-11 11:54 AM   #85 
                                         - No they didn't.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-28-11 12:01 PM   #86 
                                            - It was his insurance used. With his credit cards.  Pithlet   Nov-28-11 12:04 PM   #87 
                                            - Your Spy Vs. Spy scenario is becoming  LanternWaste   Nov-28-11 12:14 PM   #89 
                    - I wouldn't bother any longer with  liberalhistorian   Nov-28-11 04:38 PM   #101 
                       - I know, I'm quite familiar.  Pithlet   Nov-28-11 08:04 PM   #103 
                          - Oh, OK  sibelian   Nov-29-11 01:50 PM   #127 
                             - No.  Pithlet   Nov-29-11 02:14 PM   #128 
                                - Goodness only knows.  sibelian   Nov-29-11 02:16 PM   #129 
                                   - Well. Alrighty then n/t  Pithlet   Nov-29-11 02:17 PM   #130 
  - This sounds like a scene from "Legally Blonde".  JoePhilly   Nov-28-11 09:34 AM   #49 
  - LOL, I know. Lots of heat and light, little of substance upstairs.  closeupready   Nov-29-11 02:49 PM   #132 
  - I feel sorry for the twins having these two as parents.  roamer65   Nov-28-11 11:03 AM   #63 
  - He spilt his "issue", then let her run off with it. Watch where your "issue" goes, fellas. n/t  LeftinOH   Nov-28-11 12:20 PM   #91 
  - And if you don't want children, GET A VASECTOMY!  Karenina   Nov-28-11 03:23 PM   #97 
  - I do not shun women, Mandrake, but I do deny them my essence  jberryhill   Nov-28-11 03:36 PM   #100 
  - It would have been a heck of a lot easier for her to put holes in the condom.  Avalux   Nov-29-11 01:44 PM   #125 
  - She needed IVF to conceive.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-29-11 05:47 PM   #141 
  - From the NY post  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-29-11 06:04 PM   #142 
     - Interesting details n/t  tammywammy   Nov-29-11 11:46 PM   #145 
     - Sorry.  Pithlet   Nov-29-11 11:59 PM   #146 
     - "I'm not going to talk about that" is her defense.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-30-11 10:04 AM   #147 
     - so where did the blood sample come from??  Blue_Tires   Nov-30-11 01:21 PM   #152 

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