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| 113. Disagree, appropriately regulated capitalism is the way to go |
| -We Have to go Socialist |
Taverner |
Nov-26-11 09:32 PM |
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Recommended. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Nov-26-11 09:43 PM |
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We are already a socialist state . It came in through the back-door when |
nineteen50 |
Nov-27-11 02:58 PM |
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That's not a planned socialist economy. That's capitalism at its worst. |
Better Believe It |
Nov-27-11 07:32 PM |
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It's Socialism for the rich -- cold hearted Capitalism for the rest of us. |
txlibdem |
Nov-29-11 07:59 PM |
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Nice fantasy, but it's never going to happen in the U.S. Never. |
elocs |
Nov-26-11 09:43 PM |
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The bigger fantasy, really, is that capitalism can remain viable |
villager |
Nov-26-11 10:22 PM |
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Capitalism, as understood here in the United States, demands constant growth. |
Tesha |
Nov-27-11 07:11 AM |
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Exactly -- like a cancer cell |
villager |
Nov-27-11 10:34 AM |
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Capitalism is a workable system. You just have to regulate it so |
nineteen50 |
Nov-27-11 03:01 PM |
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IMHO It just seems like every time we have tried to regulate capitalism |
Denver Progressive |
Nov-27-11 08:29 PM |
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and time is running out |
dothemath |
Nov-27-11 04:49 PM |
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Nature requires balance for the continuation of life in all forms. |
AlbertCat |
Nov-27-11 09:42 PM |
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Yep. Exactly. eom |
Taverner |
Nov-27-11 06:08 PM |
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There might be a civil war with Texas leaving the union, |
TBF |
Nov-27-11 01:36 PM |
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Yes, because if we move to the right much further than the candidates |
jwirr |
Nov-27-11 05:28 PM |
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If Texas wants to leave |
Berlin Expat |
Nov-28-11 12:47 PM |
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Nov-27-11 06:41 PM |
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but it's never going to happen in the U.S. Never. |
AlbertCat |
Nov-27-11 07:59 PM |
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That sounds like a threat |
Mosaic |
Nov-27-11 09:23 PM |
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Times change. There was recently a time when citizens took up arms to protect workers' rights. |
LanternWaste |
Nov-29-11 02:31 PM |
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Single payer health care will be here circa 2130 |
banned from Kos |
Nov-26-11 09:46 PM |
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Single payer will be here in 10-15 years, tops. Our health care system is collapsing. |
joshcryer |
Nov-26-11 10:15 PM |
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The costs are high, but I doubt it dwarfs our military budget. |
white_wolf |
Nov-28-11 03:33 PM |
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I'm just hoping we don't have to go Tribal!.... |
Bigmack |
Nov-26-11 09:55 PM |
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You go right ahead. I'd rather not. |
NYC_SKP |
Nov-26-11 10:00 PM |
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"Socialism" is a mighty big tent. |
Jackpine Radical |
Nov-26-11 10:07 PM |
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K & R that |
freshwest |
Nov-27-11 05:20 PM |
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+1 |
patrice |
Nov-27-11 08:25 PM |
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Social democracies are neither unproven nor utopian. |
PDJane |
Nov-26-11 10:08 PM |
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The topic was socialism and not Euro social democracy |
banned from Kos |
Nov-26-11 10:13 PM |
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actually, that's state socialism: |
PDJane |
Nov-26-11 10:32 PM |
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The super-ordinate trait would something TTE "People before profits" of which state-ownership isonly |
patrice |
Nov-27-11 08:29 PM |
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"public ownership of the means of production." |
Mosaic |
Nov-27-11 09:32 PM |
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It can't be much more wretched than your beloved capitalism. |
white_wolf |
Nov-28-11 03:35 PM |
#167 |
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I would agree, after financial capitalism the last phase of capitalism is fascism. |
nineteen50 |
Nov-27-11 03:06 PM |
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Those social democracies all have capitalism as the bedrock of their economies. nt |
hack89 |
Nov-28-11 11:06 AM |
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I hate to say, but employee-owned businesses are forms of socialism, too. |
Selatius |
Nov-26-11 10:38 PM |
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+1 |
MichaelMcGuire |
Nov-27-11 05:37 AM |
#24 |
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They are not. |
DireStrike |
Nov-27-11 07:13 AM |
#33 |
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What would that make insurance? socialist or communist |
nineteen50 |
Nov-27-11 03:09 PM |
#64 |
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You stole my thunder ... |
Fantastic Anarchist |
Nov-27-11 04:37 PM |
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No irony, really. When Lenin wanted to overthrow the state, he saw that the soviets |
eridani |
Nov-27-11 10:22 PM |
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Exactly. nt |
Fantastic Anarchist |
Nov-28-11 02:57 PM |
#164 |
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Both Proudhon and Bakunin advocated what you call for ... |
Fantastic Anarchist |
Nov-27-11 04:28 PM |
#74 |
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That's what I think. It seems to me that many more or less different kinds of solutions would be |
patrice |
Nov-27-11 08:51 PM |
#126 |
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I'll take Senator Sanders idea of government any day over what |
OwnedByFerrets |
Nov-27-11 05:12 PM |
#88 |
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The problem with employee owned business..... |
blindpig |
Nov-28-11 02:04 PM |
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It's certainly worth looking at. nt |
LWolf |
Nov-26-11 10:03 PM |
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Toss the state and I'm with you on that. |
joshcryer |
Nov-26-11 10:13 PM |
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Actually, we are HAD by cronyism of either flavor. |
jtuck004 |
Nov-26-11 10:28 PM |
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I think you are right. When Russia failed everyone said it was do to |
nineteen50 |
Nov-27-11 03:13 PM |
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I'd rather not have either ... |
Fantastic Anarchist |
Nov-27-11 04:39 PM |
#76 |
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Funny how so many people jump to defend Capitalism |
txlibdem |
Nov-26-11 10:33 PM |
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We are all the same to the top 1%: |
AlbertCat |
Nov-27-11 09:51 PM |
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We are all the same to the top 1%, truth |
txlibdem |
Nov-28-11 06:53 AM |
#148 |
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A rigid, unyielding dogma has got to be a pain in the ass... |
LanternWaste |
Nov-29-11 02:36 PM |
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We see places where it works fine - we want to be like them |
hack89 |
Nov-29-11 02:24 PM |
#173 |
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What does your version look like? |
nobodyspecial |
Nov-26-11 10:39 PM |
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kr |
Norrin Radd |
Nov-26-11 10:49 PM |
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We need a heavy dose of FDR. |
mick063 |
Nov-26-11 10:52 PM |
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Welcome to DU. |
Norrin Radd |
Nov-27-11 03:07 AM |
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In FDR's day, 30% of Americans belonged to the Socialist or Communist Parties, that's the difference |
txlibdem |
Nov-27-11 06:51 AM |
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My sources have that figure well below 30%. |
LanternWaste |
Nov-29-11 02:52 PM |
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What you don't seem to realize... |
AntiFascist |
Nov-27-11 01:35 AM |
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socializing the risk? |
MichaelMcGuire |
Nov-27-11 05:36 AM |
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Both the risks and the losses when they lose... |
AntiFascist |
Nov-27-11 02:54 PM |
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We can't even nominate a very liberal Democrat without losing 49 states |
Ter |
Nov-27-11 01:40 AM |
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Socialism would work no better with the governance we currently have... |
JCMach1 |
Nov-27-11 05:04 AM |
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It's the GREED that screws up any system |
socialindependocrat |
Nov-27-11 06:55 AM |
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You do understand that not all socialism is left wing don't you? |
NNN0LHI |
Nov-27-11 05:45 AM |
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The Khmer Rouge were radically left wing. |
eomer |
Nov-27-11 06:24 AM |
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They were communists. . . |
B Calm |
Nov-27-11 07:03 AM |
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Really, did they have socialized medicine and did they run a national transportation system? |
ThomWV |
Nov-27-11 07:20 AM |
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Yes, I actually agree with you more then me on this; let me explain better. |
eomer |
Nov-27-11 08:13 AM |
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But it wasn't "collective ownership of the means of production." |
Fantastic Anarchist |
Nov-27-11 04:45 PM |
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True, in reality ownership was by a small group that was in control. |
eomer |
Nov-28-11 04:24 AM |
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That's a very useful distinction. :-) |
patrice |
Nov-27-11 09:04 PM |
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False. The Khmer Rouge folded when their leader died -- that's Fascism |
txlibdem |
Nov-27-11 07:26 AM |
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That is false. |
former9thward |
Nov-27-11 10:58 AM |
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They did nothing of note after Pol Pot was dead |
txlibdem |
Nov-27-11 12:42 PM |
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They did very little from 1979 until Pot died in 1998. |
former9thward |
Nov-27-11 03:16 PM |
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The case can be made that the state socialism/state capitalism .. |
Fantastic Anarchist |
Nov-27-11 04:51 PM |
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Pol Pot even admited that he wasn't a communist. |
Fantastic Anarchist |
Nov-27-11 04:48 PM |
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True communism would require the opposite of dictatorship |
Mosaic |
Nov-27-11 09:49 PM |
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"It's time for a paradigm change." |
Fantastic Anarchist |
Nov-28-11 08:59 AM |
#151 |
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Hahaha |
MFrohike |
Nov-27-11 03:23 PM |
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You can't be serious |
txlibdem |
Nov-27-11 07:39 PM |
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I call Leninist Communism |
MFrohike |
Nov-28-11 02:37 AM |
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Who are you arguing against? Pol Pot? Lenin? Mao? Do you even know??? |
txlibdem |
Nov-28-11 06:56 AM |
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I do know |
MFrohike |
Nov-28-11 12:14 PM |
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No, they weren't. |
Fantastic Anarchist |
Nov-27-11 04:43 PM |
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The term is "Regressive" - they were trying to return to Angkor... |
Taverner |
Nov-27-11 07:46 PM |
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That is the single stupidest thing I've read on DU in ages... |
Imajika |
Nov-27-11 01:33 PM |
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Khmer Rouge was a totalitarian political government. |
Fantastic Anarchist |
Nov-27-11 04:43 PM |
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massive fail. nt |
Javaman |
Nov-27-11 06:58 PM |
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I could agree if only you had said DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST |
B Calm |
Nov-27-11 06:58 AM |
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At what level and who do you consider to the "we"? |
ThomWV |
Nov-27-11 06:58 AM |
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This kind of talk is like candy to the GOP |
Courtesy Flush |
Nov-27-11 07:21 AM |
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There is a term ... |
Fantastic Anarchist |
Nov-27-11 04:55 PM |
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It will come to some of the regions after the breakup of the "United" States. |
Tesha |
Nov-27-11 07:21 AM |
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Cascadia? Socialist? |
DonCoquixote |
Nov-27-11 08:29 AM |
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Over the hills. But not so much in the region near the ocean. |
Tesha |
Nov-27-11 08:30 AM |
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So the Puget Sound isn't the "ocean" then? What mountains do you have to traverse to get from |
cherokeeprogressive |
Nov-27-11 12:54 PM |
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Boeing and microsoft are predominately in king county |
Muskypundit |
Nov-27-11 05:18 PM |
#90 |
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... |
dionysus |
Nov-27-11 07:58 PM |
#114 |
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Yes. We won't live to see it, but yes. |
Taverner |
Nov-27-11 08:58 PM |
#128 |
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People are starting to wake up |
Harmony Blue |
Nov-27-11 07:38 AM |
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K & R !!! |
WillyT |
Nov-27-11 07:42 AM |
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Pipe dream. |
DCBob |
Nov-27-11 07:49 AM |
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Well, that's your *HOPE*, anyway. Whether it's true is yet to be seen. (NT) |
Tesha |
Nov-27-11 12:47 PM |
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My hope is something good comes out of all of this and it doesnt just fade away like a pipe dream. |
DCBob |
Nov-27-11 05:22 PM |
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The focus should be on both. |
Tesha |
Nov-27-11 07:19 PM |
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Nov-27-11 12:53 PM |
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Some change has to come about OUTSIDE the corrupt established political system |
Vincardog |
Nov-27-11 12:55 PM |
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But what sort of socialism? I think a huge problem |
OnionPatch |
Nov-27-11 11:51 AM |
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THIS is the most meaningful post in the thread. I'm admittedly not well-versed in the tenets |
cherokeeprogressive |
Nov-27-11 01:07 PM |
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+1. I, for one, am tired of all talk of "isms" |
OneGrassRoot |
Nov-27-11 01:10 PM |
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I agree get out of the box. And when your stomach is empty "isms" will not |
nineteen50 |
Nov-27-11 03:20 PM |
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Yes! Of late I find myself suggesting we get rid of the darn box altogether. n/t |
OneGrassRoot |
Nov-27-11 03:40 PM |
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my personal definition, of what i'd like to see; nationalized health care, energy, and banking. |
dionysus |
Nov-27-11 08:07 PM |
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I have seen responses elsewhere to the kinds of issues you raise that suggest |
patrice |
Nov-27-11 09:25 PM |
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Glad this didn't get locked |
upi402 |
Nov-27-11 12:53 PM |
#50 |
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I'm with you on that. nt |
TBF |
Nov-27-11 01:35 PM |
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PLEASE DEFINE SOCIALISM |
Martin Eden |
Nov-27-11 02:08 PM |
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Worker control of the means of production |
Taverner |
Nov-27-11 06:04 PM |
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I'm in.... the Danes are the happiest people in the world. |
secondwind |
Nov-27-11 02:55 PM |
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They also have a market economy that embraces capitalism |
hack89 |
Nov-28-11 10:19 AM |
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We need the same kind of socialism |
sulphurdunn |
Nov-27-11 03:15 PM |
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yeah. we need to let go of our minor differences of opinion and get together for the big stuff. |
earcandle |
Nov-27-11 03:16 PM |
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Pointless |
MFrohike |
Nov-27-11 03:26 PM |
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Absolutely backwards - it is the system that rewards behavior so the system |
TBF |
Nov-27-11 05:13 PM |
#89 |
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+1000 agreed |
txlibdem |
Nov-27-11 08:09 PM |
#118 |
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Which is done how? |
MFrohike |
Nov-28-11 02:38 AM |
#146 |
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Your "constant vigilanace of capital" has resulted in the top 1% of the country |
TBF |
Nov-28-11 07:10 AM |
#150 |
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Not so much, no |
MFrohike |
Nov-28-11 11:57 AM |
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You might call it a failure when a dictatorship of the proletariat takes over - |
TBF |
Nov-28-11 12:12 PM |
#156 |
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Seriously? |
MFrohike |
Nov-28-11 12:33 PM |
#159 |
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You've been quite explicit but you're wrong - |
TBF |
Nov-28-11 03:25 PM |
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I think a Paris Commune type system is the best. |
white_wolf |
Nov-28-11 03:51 PM |
#168 |
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Marx recognized the PC as the first example of the dicatorship of the proletarian |
TBF |
Nov-28-11 04:07 PM |
#169 |
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Oh, you're adorable |
MFrohike |
Nov-28-11 04:11 PM |
#170 |
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Solidarity Kick and Recommend! |
Fantastic Anarchist |
Nov-27-11 04:23 PM |
#73 |
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K&R |
Lunabelle |
Nov-27-11 04:48 PM |
#80 |
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No. You need a hybrid |
jeffrey_X |
Nov-27-11 04:53 PM |
#84 |
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Then we need affirmative action for entreprenuers and small business |
Mosaic |
Nov-27-11 10:16 PM |
#140 |
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Capitalism will someday finally collapse under its own rapacious greed. |
ChadwickHenryWard |
Nov-27-11 04:55 PM |
#86 |
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I think that day may be coming sooner than some would like to admit - |
TBF |
Nov-28-11 12:14 PM |
#157 |
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Yep. Bilderbergers don't do it alone. nt |
valerief |
Nov-27-11 05:03 PM |
#87 |
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Humans vs, machines...where did I hear that? |
Uben |
Nov-27-11 05:35 PM |
#94 |
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Perhaps it is time for a Butlerian Jihad, no? |
Taverner |
Nov-27-11 06:04 PM |
#95 |
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Rise up against our robot masters because they slaughtered our bastard child? |
Cid_B |
Nov-27-11 06:46 PM |
#100 |
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Revolutions were started for less... |
Taverner |
Nov-27-11 07:11 PM |
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Nov-27-11 06:10 PM |
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I don't think you'll get an answer to that. |
cherokeeprogressive |
Nov-27-11 07:07 PM |
#103 |
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Socialism is: Wresting the means of production from the capitalists to the workers |
Taverner |
Nov-27-11 07:13 PM |
#105 |
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Social Democracy, akin to what they have in Europe |
CreekDog |
Nov-27-11 10:53 PM |
#144 |
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I keep waiting for the clarion call from a Democratic president that will turn Reagan's |
deutsey |
Nov-27-11 07:05 PM |
#102 |
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AMEN! |
Taverner |
Nov-27-11 07:34 PM |
#108 |
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Privatize Profits... Socialize Debt ..... |
lib2DaBone |
Nov-27-11 07:39 PM |
#110 |
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Forgot to mention.. the "Golden Rule"... |
lib2DaBone |
Nov-27-11 07:41 PM |
#111 |
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Disagree, appropriately regulated capitalism is the way to go |
usregimechange |
Nov-27-11 07:51 PM |
#113 |
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Pure capitalism is a bad system because.. |
mvd |
Nov-27-11 08:07 PM |
#117 |
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1++ |
patrice |
Nov-27-11 09:35 PM |
#135 |
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For those who choose to CO - operate, there're as many custom-made solutions, as there are problems |
patrice |
Nov-27-11 08:13 PM |
#119 |
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I prefer Sweden's brand of capitalism. nt |
hack89 |
Nov-27-11 08:26 PM |
#121 |
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We need to brand it with a different name. |
tavalon |
Nov-27-11 08:28 PM |
#122 |
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K&R (n/t) |
a2liberal |
Nov-27-11 08:44 PM |
#125 |
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Indeed. That means no more divide and conquer. Immigrants, women, gays, Muslims all under the tent. |
McCamy Taylor |
Nov-27-11 08:52 PM |
#127 |
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YES! |
Taverner |
Nov-27-11 09:07 PM |
#130 |
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White men, women must be all under the Same Tent |
Mosaic |
Nov-27-11 10:35 PM |
#142 |
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Good luck, the pushbacks would be tougher than 1917 and 1950's combined |
CatholicEdHead |
Nov-27-11 09:25 PM |
#132 |
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I think that is an outdated meme |
Mosaic |
Nov-27-11 10:38 PM |
#143 |
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John Maynard Keynes - "Capitalism is the extraordinary belief that the nastiest of men for the nasti |
Bozita |
Nov-27-11 09:45 PM |
#137 |
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We have to mix more socialism in with our capitalism, you mean. |
Orsino |
Nov-28-11 10:37 AM |
#153 |
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at least in part.... |
dembotoz |
Nov-28-11 01:04 PM |
#161 |
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Whenever presented with only two choices.... |
chaska |
Nov-28-11 01:40 PM |
#162 |
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Well, the current money system isn't working for 99% of the world |
txlibdem |
Nov-28-11 11:10 PM |
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Nov-29-11 04:35 AM |
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Is that a statue of Adam Smith??? That would make the caption make sense. |
txlibdem |
Nov-29-11 07:55 PM |
#177 |
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