| 168. The number of parties is not going to change. The platforms and makeup of the parties can very well |
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change.
For example, through the primary process, the Democratic party can move further to the left. The degree depends on the desire of a majority of it's members that it does so.
But a third party is not going to take over or win anything meaningful. It is not even going to pressure the Demcratic party to move to the left. In fact, the more votes Democrats lose to the left, the more rightward they move, to seek the persuadable voters in the middle. (They even get twice the benefit from doing so -- an R to a D changes the margin twice as much as a no-vote to a D.)
The one way to change our politics is to do it through one of the two parties. If you believe that this is impossible, then change is impossible.
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| -Bill Moyers: Change can't come from within the two parties. They are frozen, paralyzed, purchased. |
Better Believe It |
Nov-26-11 10:21 AM |
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Cue the anti-Naderites in . . . 3 . . . 2 . . .. 1 - n/t |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-26-11 10:24 AM |
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Uh-Oh... Here comes a flock of Waaa-Waaas. |
bvar22 |
Nov-26-11 11:31 AM |
#12 |
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I was going to post a follow up with that link |
Enthusiast |
Nov-26-11 03:38 PM |
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If Nader said it no one would listen to him |
FreakinDJ |
Nov-26-11 04:23 PM |
#65 |
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Yes, because, like Howard Zinn, a hero of history, and all other humans |
Xtraneous |
Nov-26-11 10:58 PM |
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+1 |
Scuba |
Nov-27-11 06:39 AM |
#120 |
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"Oh air, pride, plume, here BUCKLE and the fire that breaks from thee then . . . |
patrice |
Nov-27-11 10:53 AM |
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+ another |
rtassi |
Nov-27-11 12:37 PM |
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Yes - Moyer's Speaks The Truth - Is It Time For DU To Become 99% Underground? |
cantbeserious |
Nov-26-11 10:25 AM |
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No. Keep it DU. But Moyers views are certainly worthy of thoughtful discussion on this board. |
Better Believe It |
Nov-26-11 10:30 AM |
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Sadly to me, so many of my progressive views have been flamed on this |
indepat |
Nov-26-11 02:40 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Nov-27-11 02:10 AM |
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99% Underground better than DU which suggests alliance with "Democratic" party ... !! |
defendandprotect |
Nov-26-11 03:07 PM |
#50 |
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This isn't Democatic Party Underground (DPU)although many here vote for Democratic Party candidates. |
Better Believe It |
Nov-26-11 04:19 PM |
#63 |
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Are you sure? |
defendandprotect |
Nov-26-11 10:33 PM |
#93 |
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Nonsence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
Auntie Bush |
Nov-27-11 12:24 PM |
#172 |
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Evidently you've read nothing here re the Third Way and Democratic Party? |
defendandprotect |
Nov-28-11 02:58 AM |
#197 |
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Why don't you set up 99% Underground... |
SidDithers |
Nov-27-11 10:33 AM |
#150 |
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"thoughtful discussion" |
Bobbie Jo |
Nov-27-11 06:37 PM |
#190 |
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Agree DU needs a name change -- 99% Underground -- Great idea -- !! |
defendandprotect |
Nov-26-11 03:04 PM |
#48 |
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Of course there is a connection, it's in the rules, isn't it? |
cui bono |
Nov-26-11 08:50 PM |
#87 |
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However, also somewhere Skinner says clearly ... 'NO CONNECTION' between DU and Democratic Party ... |
defendandprotect |
Nov-26-11 10:36 PM |
#94 |
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Maybe change the logo to a lower-case d. |
Atman |
Nov-27-11 06:11 AM |
#119 |
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I'm not sure what the difference is between |
Le Taz Hot |
Nov-27-11 08:39 AM |
#127 |
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k/r --- "wearisome" --- yep -- !! |
defendandprotect |
Nov-28-11 03:10 AM |
#199 |
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Start your own friggin' site...nt |
SidDithers |
Nov-27-11 10:38 AM |
#153 |
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No, it's the current party that needs a shit-load of mind change. |
gkhouston |
Nov-27-11 12:08 PM |
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Agree -- but the idea being that a name change might change the mentality .... ???? |
defendandprotect |
Nov-28-11 02:35 AM |
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That works for me - since the party doesn't. |
polichick |
Nov-27-11 08:39 AM |
#128 |
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..... |
blindpig |
Nov-26-11 10:26 AM |
#3 |
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K & R !!! |
WillyT |
Nov-26-11 10:29 AM |
#4 |
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Bill Moyers is Correct |
pmorlan1 |
Nov-26-11 10:37 AM |
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Zinn's history flaws? pls post here a five line or so summary for overbusy guy. thanks! |
sam11111 |
Nov-26-11 10:44 AM |
#7 |
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Zinn was a generally bad historian who outright distorted facts to fit his version of events |
Spider Jerusalem |
Nov-26-11 12:20 PM |
#20 |
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Facts? Polemic? If one can't win on facts, smear the character? |
jtuck004 |
Nov-26-11 03:10 PM |
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I didn't actually say any of that, so I'll kindly thank you not to put words into my mouth. |
Spider Jerusalem |
Nov-26-11 03:43 PM |
#59 |
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Ok. I do think |
jtuck004 |
Nov-27-11 12:33 AM |
#114 |
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Applause and a few cheers for your post -- k/r -- !! |
defendandprotect |
Nov-28-11 02:37 AM |
#193 |
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It's all about class and class warfare .... something you apparently don't recognize. |
Better Believe It |
Nov-28-11 10:07 PM |
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+1000% -- fantastic post--!! |
defendandprotect |
Nov-26-11 10:40 PM |
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+1 |
rtassi |
Nov-27-11 12:41 PM |
#175 |
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History is written with bias. Maybe Zinn's bias is against your grain. nm |
rhett o rick |
Nov-27-11 10:41 AM |
#156 |
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While I agree that Howard Zinn did "cherry pick" a lot of |
dotymed |
Nov-27-11 01:54 PM |
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Think Howard Zinn came up with about as fair a look at our history as possible --- |
defendandprotect |
Nov-28-11 03:08 AM |
#198 |
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How's Marc Rich doin' these days? |
Octafish |
Nov-26-11 10:54 AM |
#8 |
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The two parties aren't going away. It is possible though perhaps |
libinnyandia |
Nov-26-11 10:56 AM |
#9 |
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OWS is a message that BOTH parties are finished -- and the movment is to the LEFT .... |
defendandprotect |
Nov-28-11 02:41 AM |
#194 |
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Recommended. |
H2O Man |
Nov-26-11 11:03 AM |
#10 |
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yes they are owned by corporations and rich Both parties |
lovuian |
Nov-26-11 11:03 AM |
#11 |
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I stand with Bill Moyers. |
bvar22 |
Nov-26-11 11:32 AM |
#13 |
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I hate to be the bearer of bad nows, but it isn't coming in any way OTHER than the two party system. |
BzaDem |
Nov-26-11 11:35 AM |
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The parties themselves are not even an afterthought, they have no mention, so either or both |
TheKentuckian |
Nov-26-11 12:26 PM |
#22 |
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I wasn't saying that a party cannot be "replaced." |
BzaDem |
Nov-26-11 02:39 PM |
#42 |
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Every nation that has single payer universal HC also has |
truedelphi |
Nov-26-11 07:34 PM |
#77 |
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Great point -- !! But you can't undo the corporate 2-party lock by voting for it, can you ...??? |
defendandprotect |
Nov-26-11 10:44 PM |
#100 |
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There are more than 2 behavioral options. Why do people pretend otherwise? |
patrice |
Nov-27-11 10:02 AM |
#137 |
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No one is pretending. There are not more than 2 actual options. |
BzaDem |
Nov-27-11 12:21 PM |
#171 |
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Doesn't it rather obviously depend upon what YOU DO after voting? |
patrice |
Nov-27-11 10:35 AM |
#151 |
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Yes and no. What really matters is who you are. |
truedelphi |
Nov-27-11 02:42 PM |
#186 |
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+1000% --- k/r |
defendandprotect |
Nov-28-11 02:46 AM |
#195 |
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So, you've never even heard of the Libertarian party, the Green party, or the Constitution party? |
Major Hogwash |
Nov-27-11 09:25 AM |
#131 |
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They are precisely as relevant as the number of seats and Presidencies they have won. n/t |
BzaDem |
Nov-27-11 11:55 AM |
#167 |
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Side by side go the other parties' candidates, except |
truedelphi |
Nov-27-11 01:21 PM |
#179 |
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it's about funds not whackjob or loser leaders |
TorchTheWitch |
Nov-27-11 01:43 PM |
#180 |
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Hogwash -- Computers were already with us in late 1960's delivering unverifiable results -- !! |
defendandprotect |
Nov-28-11 02:50 AM |
#196 |
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You don't a clue as to what the hell is going on in this country. |
Major Hogwash |
Nov-28-11 04:56 AM |
#209 |
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Are you saying voting computers didn't come in during late 1960's???? |
defendandprotect |
Nov-28-11 03:33 PM |
#216 |
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Are you saying that computers can vote? |
Major Hogwash |
Nov-28-11 08:53 PM |
#219 |
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Are you saying none of our elections have been stolen by computer voting? |
defendandprotect |
Nov-28-11 08:56 PM |
#220 |
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How old are you? |
Major Hogwash |
Nov-28-11 09:09 PM |
#222 |
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Hogwash -- straight up ... Voting computers are hackable or not -- ??? |
defendandprotect |
Nov-29-11 12:52 AM |
#224 |
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I knew you wouldn't answer that question!!! There's a tea party out there somewhere . . |
Major Hogwash |
Nov-29-11 01:48 AM |
#227 |
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Right -- anyone who understands voting computers are hackable is a "Mad Hatter" -- !! ROFL |
defendandprotect |
Nov-29-11 11:42 AM |
#229 |
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+1 |
rtassi |
Nov-27-11 12:44 PM |
#176 |
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Our Party needs to elect a majority of progressives. |
glinda |
Nov-26-11 01:25 PM |
#25 |
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Unfortunately, we're only being give pre-selected corporate candidates ... |
defendandprotect |
Nov-29-11 12:53 AM |
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Once the Dem Party was basically infiltrated by people |
sabrina 1 |
Nov-26-11 01:40 PM |
#29 |
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Not sufficient attention is being paid to Third Way control over Dem Party ... imo ... !! |
defendandprotect |
Nov-26-11 10:45 PM |
#101 |
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Are those your words or are you quoting a Whig? |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-26-11 02:19 PM |
#34 |
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you are essentially saying that change is hopeless. |
provis99 |
Nov-26-11 03:28 PM |
#56 |
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No, I'm not. I'm saying that any change will come through a 2 party system. If you claim that change |
BzaDem |
Nov-26-11 05:32 PM |
#71 |
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Political mobilization through a political party in this country is doomed to failure. |
Marr |
Nov-26-11 08:01 PM |
#84 |
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Why would they vie for its support? |
BzaDem |
Nov-27-11 12:15 PM |
#170 |
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Because it would be a voting block. |
Marr |
Nov-27-11 05:29 PM |
#188 |
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Exactly -- GOP/Christian movement was given start up-funding by GOP ... !!! Most of it funded by RW! |
defendandprotect |
Nov-28-11 03:19 AM |
#201 |
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Agree -- k/r --- and not enough discussion of Third Way here ... most don't know ... ??? |
defendandprotect |
Nov-28-11 03:13 AM |
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no, you absolutely said it was hopeless. |
provis99 |
Nov-26-11 09:49 PM |
#92 |
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The number of parties is not going to change. The platforms and makeup of the parties can very well |
BzaDem |
Nov-27-11 12:03 PM |
#168 |
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nonsense. |
provis99 |
Nov-28-11 03:20 AM |
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Bing- frakking -go, you all! Go back and READ Chomsky re COGNITIVE programming/propaganda, or Lakoff |
patrice |
Nov-27-11 10:09 AM |
#141 |
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Yes. The US of A never had more than two parties and never will! |
RegieRocker |
Nov-27-11 10:08 AM |
#140 |
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And Dick Tracy's wrist T.V. will never come about... |
SteveM |
Nov-27-11 04:23 PM |
#187 |
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Unrec... |
SidDithers |
Nov-26-11 11:37 AM |
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Nov-26-11 01:14 PM |
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Count on it Sid! |
whatchamacallit |
Nov-26-11 01:39 PM |
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How's that Harper Government doing up there, Sid? |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-26-11 02:21 PM |
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Recommended....+94 |
DisgustipatedinCA |
Nov-26-11 02:35 PM |
#41 |
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Ain't democracy grant...nt |
SidDithers |
Nov-26-11 03:04 PM |
#49 |
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rec'd |
mike_c |
Nov-26-11 05:09 PM |
#70 |
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Bill Moyers speaks my mind....kr nt |
ooglymoogly |
Nov-26-11 11:41 AM |
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+1 |
alittlelark |
Nov-26-11 10:37 PM |
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Please go read the text of the entire interview. |
bvar22 |
Nov-26-11 11:59 AM |
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Yea Bill! I was so glad to read recently that he's coming back to television. Excellent timing! n/t |
Dover |
Nov-26-11 12:04 PM |
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The current dynamic is that $ = election victory. That's what needs to change. |
DirkGently |
Nov-26-11 12:19 PM |
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For the most part yeah... |
Telly Savalas |
Nov-26-11 03:14 PM |
#54 |
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Perhaps you were thinking of Meg Whitman vs. Jerry Brown in last year's gubernatorial n/t |
catzies |
Nov-26-11 05:37 PM |
#72 |
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occupy. -eom |
Huey P. Long |
Nov-26-11 12:21 PM |
#21 |
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The 2 capitalist party system provides the illusion of democracy in an oligarchy. K&R |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Nov-26-11 12:46 PM |
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+1000 |
alittlelark |
Nov-26-11 10:38 PM |
#97 |
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Thank you. And those trying to claim that people "just don't vote for" third parties |
woo me with science |
Nov-27-11 11:22 AM |
#164 |
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+ more |
rtassi |
Nov-27-11 12:47 PM |
#177 |
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+1000% -- We get the privilege of voting for those whom corporations/elites select for us --!! ROFL |
defendandprotect |
Nov-28-11 03:22 AM |
#203 |
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Kicked and recommended. |
Uncle Joe |
Nov-26-11 01:29 PM |
#26 |
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This is the truth |
whatchamacallit |
Nov-26-11 01:33 PM |
#27 |
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Yep -- and we've known this for decades ... 2 corporate parties ... doesn't sink in somehow ... !! |
defendandprotect |
Nov-26-11 01:49 PM |
#30 |
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Regulatory capture... |
FlyByNight |
Nov-26-11 01:57 PM |
#31 |
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My question is, how did US politics consolidate in the two-party system |
alp227 |
Nov-26-11 02:06 PM |
#32 |
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It didn't. If you talk to (& that doesn't mean POLL) enough REAL people, you find there ARE more |
patrice |
Nov-27-11 10:04 AM |
#138 |
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A-FREAKIN'-MEN! K&R Moyers is spot on. |
in_cog_ni_to |
Nov-26-11 02:09 PM |
#33 |
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Bill Moyers is now on automatic unrecommend. n/t |
LoZoccolo |
Nov-26-11 02:23 PM |
#36 |
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Yes, Moyers an unrec and Andrew Sullivan a wise sage voice. Amazing turn of events, |
Safetykitten |
Nov-26-11 02:29 PM |
#37 |
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why? |
DisgustipatedinCA |
Nov-26-11 02:34 PM |
#39 |
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Nice to see you're giving this decision the careful and measured consideration |
whatchamacallit |
Nov-26-11 02:34 PM |
#40 |
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Oh. "Ignored" must've said something zany again. |
Vanje |
Nov-26-11 02:49 PM |
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LOL! My thoughts exactly. |
Pacifist Patriot |
Nov-26-11 03:07 PM |
#52 |
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heh. Now I wonder what "Ignored" said that was stupid again. |
provis99 |
Nov-26-11 03:29 PM |
#57 |
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I think he just threw Bill Moyers under the bus. It's getting crowded under here! |
Better Believe It |
Nov-26-11 04:22 PM |
#64 |
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yup |
shanti |
Nov-26-11 07:42 PM |
#79 |
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awwww |
fascisthunter |
Nov-26-11 07:51 PM |
#82 |
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explain yourself |
paulk |
Nov-26-11 09:35 PM |
#89 |
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I don't have to if I don't want to. |
LoZoccolo |
Nov-26-11 10:55 PM |
#103 |
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then I'm going to put you on ignore |
paulk |
Nov-26-11 11:03 PM |
#105 |
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I better follow suit. nm |
rhett o rick |
Nov-26-11 11:05 PM |
#107 |
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Not very horizontal of either one of you. Same old divide & conquer BS. Anti-Revolutionary. |
patrice |
Nov-27-11 10:38 AM |
#154 |
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I disagree |
paulk |
Nov-27-11 11:44 AM |
#165 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Nov-27-11 08:27 AM |
#125 |
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1+ . . . that's the way I see it. |
patrice |
Nov-27-11 10:39 AM |
#155 |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Nov-26-11 11:04 PM |
#106 |
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Rule by mob? "Most people ______" = truth??? wow. |
patrice |
Nov-27-11 10:17 AM |
#144 |
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Thanks for the laugh |
tavalon |
Nov-26-11 10:39 PM |
#98 |
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And, |
chervilant |
Nov-27-11 02:26 AM |
#117 |
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I automatically rec anything you unrec so that means you have no "unrec" power. nt |
Bonobo |
Nov-27-11 06:03 AM |
#118 |
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I am rubber, and you are glue, so whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you. n/t |
LoZoccolo |
Nov-27-11 08:45 AM |
#129 |
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Are you in middle school? eom |
City Lights |
Nov-27-11 09:43 AM |
#134 |
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Thanks, we always look forward to your intellectual additions. nm |
rhett o rick |
Nov-27-11 10:38 AM |
#152 |
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LOL! |
City Lights |
Nov-27-11 09:31 AM |
#133 |
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At least no longer an auto rec., not that responsible DU -ers du such things, that is! |
patrice |
Nov-27-11 10:07 AM |
#139 |
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Deep Thought... |
cui bono |
Nov-27-11 01:10 PM |
#178 |
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Bill Moyers is absolutely correct. This is the reason for OWS. |
woo me with science |
Nov-26-11 02:30 PM |
#38 |
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OWS is needed because the left lets 1000 coordinated radio stations undermine the feedback mechanis |
certainot |
Nov-26-11 02:51 PM |
#47 |
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The media is purchased along with Congress and the White House. nt |
woo me with science |
Nov-26-11 04:07 PM |
#61 |
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This continual movement of "intellectuals" to try and upturn the two party |
truedelphi |
Nov-26-11 02:39 PM |
#43 |
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Lovely thought that we would actually be working towards an end to wars .... |
defendandprotect |
Nov-28-11 03:28 AM |
#204 |
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another of left intelligentsia analyzing politics in a talk radio vacuum |
certainot |
Nov-26-11 02:48 PM |
#45 |
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I decided a while ago I wouldn't live long enough to see this country back on track |
nini |
Nov-26-11 03:07 PM |
#51 |
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54 here too |
unionworks |
Nov-26-11 11:12 PM |
#108 |
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From the OP: |
ProSense |
Nov-26-11 03:18 PM |
#55 |
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just as self described change agents can do more to retard change. |
hulka38 |
Nov-27-11 12:02 AM |
#112 |
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1++++++ & key trait = "self" |
patrice |
Nov-27-11 10:56 AM |
#160 |
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BECAUSE they never have an answer for what to do with those who disagree, besides make them enemies. |
patrice |
Nov-27-11 11:05 AM |
#162 |
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Kicked and recommended! nt |
Enthusiast |
Nov-26-11 03:48 PM |
#60 |
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REC. Bill Moyers is right on target with his analysis. |
bertman |
Nov-26-11 04:08 PM |
#62 |
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"raw, hungry capital can, like fire, turn from a good servant into a bad master" |
Martin Eden |
Nov-26-11 04:41 PM |
#66 |
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K&R |
DeSwiss |
Nov-26-11 04:48 PM |
#67 |
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Moyers is right. After seeing how the '92 democratic party nominating process was rigged in favor |
Citizen Worker |
Nov-26-11 05:04 PM |
#68 |
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I've been saying this since 2002 or so-- the democratic party... |
mike_c |
Nov-26-11 05:08 PM |
#69 |
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"They are frozen, paralyzed, purchased." |
democrank |
Nov-26-11 06:09 PM |
#73 |
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Why should parties "reflect their interests" in any but the |
treestar |
Nov-26-11 06:12 PM |
#74 |
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Bill Moyers Is A Good Man And He's Right |
Sportsguy |
Nov-26-11 06:21 PM |
#75 |
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K&R |
deutsey |
Nov-26-11 07:33 PM |
#76 |
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amen, brother! |
shanti |
Nov-26-11 07:36 PM |
#78 |
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Moyers is totally on point. nt |
Raine |
Nov-26-11 07:46 PM |
#80 |
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The People will be deciding the Parties actions soon |
fascisthunter |
Nov-26-11 07:50 PM |
#81 |
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Shouldn't a majority of Democrats or Republicans in Congress unfreeze this? |
Swede |
Nov-26-11 07:56 PM |
#83 |
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How well did that work out between '09 and '11? |
a2liberal |
Nov-27-11 07:31 AM |
#122 |
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He put his finger on it, but then he mis-solved the puzzle. |
gulliver |
Nov-26-11 08:18 PM |
#85 |
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This is it. Anything else we disparate polities say, this is IT. |
Taverner |
Nov-26-11 08:31 PM |
#86 |
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Yep. How many of us were delighted with the accomplishments of a full Democratic majority gov? |
Kablooie |
Nov-26-11 09:13 PM |
#88 |
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OCCUPY THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. |
yodermon |
Nov-26-11 09:37 PM |
#90 |
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Organize outside the system with the Interactive Voter Choice System |
NancyBordier |
Nov-26-11 09:48 PM |
#91 |
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IVCS....... u need a name folks can remember |
sam11111 |
Nov-26-11 10:51 PM |
#102 |
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The Interactive Voter Choice System is a Consensus-Building Mechanism |
NancyBordier |
Nov-27-11 02:11 PM |
#182 |
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Good info... |
CanSocDem |
Nov-27-11 09:28 AM |
#132 |
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Thank You! |
NancyBordier |
Nov-27-11 02:12 PM |
#183 |
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LOTS of engineering questions BEHIND somethig like that. Wouldn't it be nice to see a |
patrice |
Nov-27-11 10:20 AM |
#145 |
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Please elaborate |
NancyBordier |
Nov-27-11 02:13 PM |
#185 |
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Could Not Agree More With Bill Moyers |
colsohlibgal |
Nov-26-11 10:37 PM |
#96 |
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many people on the left have been saying the same thing for 40 years |
eridani |
Nov-26-11 11:33 PM |
#109 |
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I no longer feel aligned with the Democratic party... |
CoffeeCat |
Nov-26-11 11:49 PM |
#110 |
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This Is Too Bleak Of An Assessment -- Barely |
DallasNE |
Nov-26-11 11:56 PM |
#111 |
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K&R! |
blackspade |
Nov-27-11 12:20 AM |
#113 |
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knr |
Douglas Carpenter |
Nov-27-11 01:47 AM |
#115 |
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K&R (n/t) |
a2liberal |
Nov-27-11 07:25 AM |
#121 |
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I first learned about America being the Corporate from CSI: Miami |
Bryn |
Nov-27-11 07:50 AM |
#123 |
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Just found this on facebook |
Bryn |
Nov-27-11 07:57 AM |
#124 |
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The biggest reason we cant go forward is the hard core RW and the media backing them up. |
DCBob |
Nov-27-11 08:32 AM |
#126 |
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What liberal/progressive legislation on the economy/Wall Street are we talking about? |
Better Believe It |
Nov-28-11 01:47 PM |
#210 |
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The problem with his article is that he uses a poll to support his theory. |
Major Hogwash |
Nov-27-11 09:15 AM |
#130 |
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You need a poll to understand that corporations control both parties ... ??? |
defendandprotect |
Nov-28-11 03:35 AM |
#205 |
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It's not about the stupid poll he refers to. |
Major Hogwash |
Nov-28-11 04:53 AM |
#208 |
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Evidently, you thought the "poll" was important enough to mention .... ??? |
defendandprotect |
Nov-28-11 02:20 PM |
#212 |
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Because Bill Moyers built his entire argument on that poll. He mentioned it in line 1. |
Major Hogwash |
Nov-28-11 08:50 PM |
#218 |
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Moyers may have referred to a poll, but certainly he has also known for decades .... |
defendandprotect |
Nov-28-11 08:59 PM |
#221 |
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Now you're claiming that you're able to read Bill Moyer's mind!!! |
Major Hogwash |
Nov-29-11 01:50 AM |
#228 |
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Those who understand corporate takeover of both parties are in "Twilight Zone" ... ??? |
defendandprotect |
Nov-29-11 11:47 AM |
#230 |
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"True" Bill, but how do you separate correction from the INTENT TO KILL the best chance we've had at |
patrice |
Nov-27-11 09:46 AM |
#135 |
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P.S. Not to mention how to separate correction from the INTENT TO KILL Labor's Right to Organize. nt |
patrice |
Nov-27-11 09:58 AM |
#136 |
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"Correction" needs definition before we can discuss whether killing is part of the package |
TheKentuckian |
Nov-27-11 11:51 AM |
#166 |
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Two parties that serve corporate america, been saying that for years. |
sarcasmo |
Nov-27-11 10:14 AM |
#142 |
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WE are the ones we've been waiting for ... |
Fly by night |
Nov-27-11 10:16 AM |
#143 |
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Go out into the streets & talk to REAL people. You will find 2 parties is a lie propagated by the |
patrice |
Nov-27-11 10:23 AM |
#146 |
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Can't understand here why we're trusting a 2 partyself-assessment from a CORRUPT system we hate. |
patrice |
Nov-27-11 10:25 AM |
#147 |
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Why would a CORRUPT system tell the truth about ANYTHING, especially its own nature. |
patrice |
Nov-27-11 10:26 AM |
#148 |
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Question ALL authority, ESPECIALLY!!! that you agree with. |
patrice |
Nov-27-11 10:31 AM |
#149 |
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Just in case you missed it, that includes BILL MOYERS. Anything less is not freedom. nt |
patrice |
Nov-27-11 10:48 AM |
#158 |
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when a majority (52%) believe that they are not represented |
ThomThom |
Nov-27-11 10:42 AM |
#157 |
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"I’m drawn to the Howard Zinns and the Ralph Naders..." |
gulliver |
Nov-27-11 11:05 AM |
#161 |
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Dare I allude to The PROFESSIONAL "Left"? |
patrice |
Nov-27-11 11:09 AM |
#163 |
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" It's absurd to complain about Democrats taking money from corporations" Ya .... really absurd. |
Better Believe It |
Nov-27-11 07:44 PM |
#191 |
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ditto |
defendandprotect |
Nov-28-11 03:43 AM |
#207 |
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... |
Bobbie Jo |
Nov-28-11 03:53 PM |
#217 |
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Right ... we can fight corruption by voting for it --- !!! ROFL |
defendandprotect |
Nov-28-11 03:41 AM |
#206 |
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Does he think that if the Dems took no corporate money they would be pure and represent the people? |
LiberalLovinLug |
Nov-29-11 03:45 PM |
#231 |
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I believe pressure should come from outside and put pressure on |
theophilus |
Nov-27-11 12:24 PM |
#173 |
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! |
lonestarnot |
Nov-27-11 02:12 PM |
#184 |
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Kick. nt |
woo me with science |
Nov-27-11 06:23 PM |
#189 |
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Coming from a lifelong Dem |
KamaAina |
Nov-28-11 01:51 PM |
#211 |
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Wait .... |
defendandprotect |
Nov-28-11 02:26 PM |
#213 |
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No, Bill Moyers worked in LBJ's White House. I was 4 when he left office. |
KamaAina |
Nov-28-11 02:59 PM |
#214 |
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No -- my fault .... |
defendandprotect |
Nov-28-11 03:07 PM |
#215 |
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agree |
upi402 |
Nov-29-11 12:53 AM |
#225 |
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Kick and Rec |
Myrina |
Nov-29-11 06:45 PM |
#232 |