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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 07:57 PM
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79. I hope your family member can get some help
because, honestly, if my ex had been in another situation, the outcome would have been a lot different. but he had people, including me, who believed it was possible to deal with the problems.

but all of it did, ultimately, break our marriage apart and hurt others. nevertheless, because of our children, I've always tried to take his health into consideration. unfortunately, those things aren't always reciprocated. but you do things because they're the right thing to do. lots of regrets, but not about the way I handled this issue.

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  -The Argument FOR Drug Prohibition RainDog  Nov-23-11 04:04 PM   #0 
  - I see what you did there... nt  Capitalocracy   Nov-23-11 04:07 PM   #1 
  - the pro crime fiscally irresponsible argument?  iscooterliberally   Nov-23-11 04:08 PM   #2 
  - I second that motion! nt  hifiguy   Nov-23-11 04:13 PM   #5 
  - Agreed!  FiveGoodMen   Nov-23-11 04:08 PM   #3 
  - Should all drugs be over-the-counter drugs?  Boojatta   Nov-23-11 04:11 PM   #4 
  - Some colonial powers wanted to sell opium in China.  Boojatta   Nov-23-11 04:15 PM   #6 
  - The destruction of lives through addiction?  gratuitous   Nov-23-11 04:17 PM   #7 
  - How many people "flush their lives away" with alcohol addiction?  Fumesucker   Nov-23-11 04:24 PM   #8 
  - Far too many there, as well  gratuitous   Nov-23-11 04:43 PM   #10 
  - An addictive drug is an addictive drug..  Fumesucker   Nov-23-11 04:48 PM   #13 
  - Alcohol Prohibition (1920-1933) came well before widespread cannabis prohibition (1936). nt  Romulox   Nov-23-11 05:28 PM   #27 
  - I may be wrong, but this argument soundes way too much like  Sheepshank   Nov-23-11 05:14 PM   #19 
  - Then we should make alcohol illegal, no?  Fumesucker   Nov-23-11 05:19 PM   #22 
     - are all illegal drugs created equally? Should all drugs be treated the same?  Sheepshank   Nov-23-11 05:51 PM   #31 
        - Nicotine is at least as addictive as heroin..  Fumesucker   Nov-23-11 05:57 PM   #34 
           - So your solution is to legalize all of it?  Sheepshank   Nov-23-11 08:01 PM   #43 
              - yes of course - legalize all of if.  Warren Stupidity   Nov-23-11 08:13 PM   #45 
  - Far fewer as a fraction of alcohol drinkers than among e.g. heroin or cocaine.  Donald Ian Rankin   Nov-23-11 05:17 PM   #20 
  - No doubt you have citations for your claims..  Fumesucker   Nov-23-11 05:20 PM   #23 
  - Since it's true by so many orders of magnitude, I don't need them.  Donald Ian Rankin   Nov-23-11 07:49 PM   #41 
     - If it is so true by many orders of magnitude..  Fumesucker   Nov-23-11 08:30 PM   #46 
     - "true by so many orders of magnitude" = pulled out of your ass.  U4ikLefty   Nov-24-11 01:34 PM   #69 
  - That's misleading at minimum, since very few people sample cocaine and heroin, while nearly everyone  Romulox   Nov-23-11 05:29 PM   #28 
  - Since I am honest, I didn't say that wasn't true, and so can't "admit" it.  Donald Ian Rankin   Nov-23-11 07:47 PM   #40 
     - Absolute tripe. Who are you to declare whose suffering is "relevant"? It's a ridiculous argument.  Romulox   Nov-23-11 09:36 PM   #49 
        - now y'all play nicely with one another. it's the holiday  RainDog   Nov-23-11 10:13 PM   #50 
        - That's not logic, it's just words!  Donald Ian Rankin   Nov-24-11 07:30 AM   #54 
           - If something is illegal, how do you determine the number of users?  eridani   Nov-25-11 04:50 AM   #76 
  - I agree. nt  Sparkly   Nov-24-11 10:44 AM   #59 
  - +1  sarcasmo   Nov-23-11 07:40 PM   #39 
  - Addiction destroys lives on many levels.  iscooterliberally   Nov-23-11 04:45 PM   #11 
  - Oh so very well said.  redqueen   Nov-23-11 05:18 PM   #21 
  - I'd prefer a system similar to Portugal's  duhneece   Nov-23-11 05:30 PM   #29 
  - health problems should be treated as health problems. agreed.  RainDog   Nov-23-11 05:53 PM   #32 
     - Yup, we need to treat addiction from a public health pov  duhneece   Nov-23-11 05:57 PM   #33 
        - lol. rainman. RainDog is the name of a Tom Waits song and album  RainDog   Nov-23-11 06:17 PM   #36 
           - Lordy, lordy am I ever redfaced-  duhneece   Nov-23-11 07:15 PM   #37 
  - "Drugs are dangerous, let there be no doubt about that, but illegal drugs are even more dangerous...  Occulus   Nov-24-11 10:53 AM   #61 
     - Well I guess I learn something new almost every day.  iscooterliberally   Nov-25-11 04:13 PM   #77 
  - I think we're capable of regulation to limit access  RainDog   Nov-23-11 06:09 PM   #35 
  - Almost all of this damage is a direct consequence of prohibition.  Warren Stupidity   Nov-23-11 07:21 PM   #38 
  - nope, the damages are a result of ingestion and addiction.  Sheepshank   Nov-24-11 11:36 AM   #64 
  - opiates and cocaine derivatives are very cheap  Warren Stupidity   Nov-26-11 07:46 AM   #80 
  - Nonsense.  Donald Ian Rankin   Nov-24-11 12:53 PM   #65 
     - Ok your assertion is that there was great harm to society  Warren Stupidity   Nov-24-11 08:53 PM   #73 
  - And prohibition has stopped people from getting addicted... how? nt  killbotfactory   Nov-25-11 05:24 PM   #78 
  - You create a vast revenue stream for government departments, the police, and certain private groups,  MadHound   Nov-23-11 04:28 PM   #9 
  - +1 !!! n/t  iscooterliberally   Nov-23-11 04:47 PM   #12 
  - cui bono?  RainDog   Nov-23-11 04:49 PM   #14 
  - 2007: CIA Torture Jet Wrecks With 4 Tons of Cocaine  RainDog   Nov-23-11 05:01 PM   #15 
  - 1. Organized crime and the cartels need jobs too.  Uncle Joe   Nov-23-11 05:08 PM   #16 
  - Happy Thanksgiving to you, too, Uncle Joe  RainDog   Nov-23-11 05:27 PM   #26 
  - Profit$$$$$$  hunter   Nov-23-11 05:10 PM   #17 
  - Well played.  FarLeftFist   Nov-23-11 05:11 PM   #18 
  - It's the addictiveness.  Donald Ian Rankin   Nov-23-11 05:21 PM   #24 
  - The overwhelming majority of drug prosecutions are for pot. 100% not addictive. Try again. nt  Romulox   Nov-23-11 05:30 PM   #30 
  - Try what again?  Donald Ian Rankin   Nov-23-11 07:55 PM   #42 
     - You chide me for mistaking you for a Drug Warrior, then you launch into a defense of the Drug War.  Romulox   Nov-23-11 09:34 PM   #47 
        - No, no I don't. Once again, please *read* and *think*, rather than just assuming and spouting.  Donald Ian Rankin   Nov-24-11 07:19 AM   #52 
  - alcohol and tobacco are both addictive, pot isn't.  Warren Stupidity   Nov-23-11 08:09 PM   #44 
  - Oh, contraire! (wikipedia link to follow!)  Romulox   Nov-23-11 09:35 PM   #48 
  - whatever - and where is your alleged link?  Warren Stupidity   Nov-24-11 09:47 AM   #56 
     - I'm afraid you're probably wrong about that.  Donald Ian Rankin   Nov-24-11 10:37 AM   #58 
        - That's actually funny  Occulus   Nov-24-11 11:00 AM   #62 
  - It isn't, but it should be, with an exception for nicotine.  Donald Ian Rankin   Nov-24-11 07:25 AM   #53 
     - but it seems your morality influences your perception of 'harm'  Warren Stupidity   Nov-24-11 09:45 AM   #55 
        - The figure you're omitting is "amount of use".  Donald Ian Rankin   Nov-24-11 10:33 AM   #57 
  - agree. remove the financial incentive  RainDog   Nov-24-11 07:17 AM   #51 
  - Exactly.  Sparkly   Nov-24-11 10:47 AM   #60 
  - Private Contractors  RainDog   Nov-23-11 05:26 PM   #25 
  - I am VERY close to this issue.  Enthusiast   Nov-24-11 11:04 AM   #63 
  - sorry to hear about your family problems  RainDog   Nov-24-11 08:09 PM   #71 
     - Thank you for sharing that with me.  Enthusiast   Nov-25-11 03:11 AM   #75 
        - I hope your family member can get some help  RainDog   Nov-25-11 07:57 PM   #79 
  - We Need Laws To Separate Stupid, Self-Indulgent Wankers From the Rest of the Population  NashVegas   Nov-24-11 12:58 PM   #66 
  - so, prison is a way to weed out the stupid?  RainDog   Nov-24-11 08:26 PM   #72 
  - some people screw up no matter what  roman7   Nov-24-11 01:22 PM   #67 
  - Clever :)  varelse   Nov-24-11 01:26 PM   #68 
  - The same argument the pro-lifers make for controlling the bodies of others.  JoeyT   Nov-24-11 03:34 PM   #70 
  - via The Root  RainDog   Nov-25-11 01:12 AM   #74 
  - It is OK  mick063   Nov-26-11 07:55 AM   #81 

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