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Wed Nov-23-11 06:09 PM
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| 35. I think we're capable of regulation to limit access |
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we do this with cigarettes and alcohol and driving a car, with medicines...with all sorts of things in this society.
California Prison Focus: “no other society in human history has imprisoned so many of its own citizens.”
We put more people in prison than does China - per capita and in basic number. The U.S. has created a situation in which we hold 25% of the prison population of the planet, but only 5% of its population.
What does this say about our claim to be the land of the free?
Rather than approach health issues like addiction as a criminal act, we would spend less money, disrupt fewer families, create better options for those who have problems with addiction by treating addition as a health issue and putting money into treatment programs.
I don't want people to use heroin, ever. or meth. or who knows what other substance someone will come up with next. but I don't see that our current policies have worked to deal with the problems you mention. Our current system creates just as much damage - and, personally, I do have to wonder about all those shipments of drugs into the U.S. by our own govt. agencies that use this money to fund black ops, etc. This is documented. It's another way the war on drugs makes govt less accountable for its actions.
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| -The Argument FOR Drug Prohibition |
RainDog |
Nov-23-11 04:04 PM |
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I see what you did there... nt |
Capitalocracy |
Nov-23-11 04:07 PM |
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...is the pro crime fiscally irresponsible argument? |
iscooterliberally |
Nov-23-11 04:08 PM |
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I second that motion! nt |
hifiguy |
Nov-23-11 04:13 PM |
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Agreed! |
FiveGoodMen |
Nov-23-11 04:08 PM |
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Should all drugs be over-the-counter drugs? |
Boojatta |
Nov-23-11 04:11 PM |
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Some colonial powers wanted to sell opium in China. |
Boojatta |
Nov-23-11 04:15 PM |
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The destruction of lives through addiction? |
gratuitous |
Nov-23-11 04:17 PM |
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How many people "flush their lives away" with alcohol addiction? |
Fumesucker |
Nov-23-11 04:24 PM |
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Far too many there, as well |
gratuitous |
Nov-23-11 04:43 PM |
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An addictive drug is an addictive drug.. |
Fumesucker |
Nov-23-11 04:48 PM |
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Alcohol Prohibition (1920-1933) came well before widespread cannabis prohibition (1936). nt |
Romulox |
Nov-23-11 05:28 PM |
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I may be wrong, but this argument soundes way too much like |
Sheepshank |
Nov-23-11 05:14 PM |
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Then we should make alcohol illegal, no? |
Fumesucker |
Nov-23-11 05:19 PM |
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are all illegal drugs created equally? Should all drugs be treated the same? |
Sheepshank |
Nov-23-11 05:51 PM |
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Nicotine is at least as addictive as heroin.. |
Fumesucker |
Nov-23-11 05:57 PM |
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So your solution is to legalize all of it? |
Sheepshank |
Nov-23-11 08:01 PM |
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yes of course - legalize all of if. |
Warren Stupidity |
Nov-23-11 08:13 PM |
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Far fewer as a fraction of alcohol drinkers than among e.g. heroin or cocaine. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-23-11 05:17 PM |
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No doubt you have citations for your claims.. |
Fumesucker |
Nov-23-11 05:20 PM |
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Since it's true by so many orders of magnitude, I don't need them. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-23-11 07:49 PM |
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If it is so true by many orders of magnitude.. |
Fumesucker |
Nov-23-11 08:30 PM |
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"true by so many orders of magnitude" = pulled out of your ass. |
U4ikLefty |
Nov-24-11 01:34 PM |
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That's misleading at minimum, since very few people sample cocaine and heroin, while nearly everyone |
Romulox |
Nov-23-11 05:29 PM |
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Since I am honest, I didn't say that wasn't true, and so can't "admit" it. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-23-11 07:47 PM |
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Absolute tripe. Who are you to declare whose suffering is "relevant"? It's a ridiculous argument. |
Romulox |
Nov-23-11 09:36 PM |
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now y'all play nicely with one another. it's the holiday |
RainDog |
Nov-23-11 10:13 PM |
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That's not logic, it's just words! |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-24-11 07:30 AM |
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If something is illegal, how do you determine the number of users? |
eridani |
Nov-25-11 04:50 AM |
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I agree. nt |
Sparkly |
Nov-24-11 10:44 AM |
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+1 |
sarcasmo |
Nov-23-11 07:40 PM |
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Addiction destroys lives on many levels. |
iscooterliberally |
Nov-23-11 04:45 PM |
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Oh so very well said. |
redqueen |
Nov-23-11 05:18 PM |
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I'd prefer a system similar to Portugal's |
duhneece |
Nov-23-11 05:30 PM |
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health problems should be treated as health problems. agreed. |
RainDog |
Nov-23-11 05:53 PM |
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Yup, we need to treat addiction from a public health pov |
duhneece |
Nov-23-11 05:57 PM |
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lol. rainman. RainDog is the name of a Tom Waits song and album |
RainDog |
Nov-23-11 06:17 PM |
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Lordy, lordy am I ever redfaced- |
duhneece |
Nov-23-11 07:15 PM |
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"Drugs are dangerous, let there be no doubt about that, but illegal drugs are even more dangerous... |
Occulus |
Nov-24-11 10:53 AM |
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Well I guess I learn something new almost every day. |
iscooterliberally |
Nov-25-11 04:13 PM |
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I think we're capable of regulation to limit access |
RainDog |
Nov-23-11 06:09 PM |
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Almost all of this damage is a direct consequence of prohibition. |
Warren Stupidity |
Nov-23-11 07:21 PM |
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nope, the damages are a result of ingestion and addiction. |
Sheepshank |
Nov-24-11 11:36 AM |
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opiates and cocaine derivatives are very cheap |
Warren Stupidity |
Nov-26-11 07:46 AM |
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Nonsense. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-24-11 12:53 PM |
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Ok your assertion is that there was great harm to society |
Warren Stupidity |
Nov-24-11 08:53 PM |
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And prohibition has stopped people from getting addicted... how? nt |
killbotfactory |
Nov-25-11 05:24 PM |
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You create a vast revenue stream for government departments, the police, and certain private groups, |
MadHound |
Nov-23-11 04:28 PM |
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+1 !!! n/t |
iscooterliberally |
Nov-23-11 04:47 PM |
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cui bono? |
RainDog |
Nov-23-11 04:49 PM |
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2007: CIA Torture Jet Wrecks With 4 Tons of Cocaine |
RainDog |
Nov-23-11 05:01 PM |
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1. Organized crime and the cartels need jobs too. |
Uncle Joe |
Nov-23-11 05:08 PM |
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Happy Thanksgiving to you, too, Uncle Joe |
RainDog |
Nov-23-11 05:27 PM |
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Profit$$$$$$ |
hunter |
Nov-23-11 05:10 PM |
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Well played. |
FarLeftFist |
Nov-23-11 05:11 PM |
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It's the addictiveness. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-23-11 05:21 PM |
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The overwhelming majority of drug prosecutions are for pot. 100% not addictive. Try again. nt |
Romulox |
Nov-23-11 05:30 PM |
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Try what again? |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-23-11 07:55 PM |
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You chide me for mistaking you for a Drug Warrior, then you launch into a defense of the Drug War. |
Romulox |
Nov-23-11 09:34 PM |
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No, no I don't. Once again, please *read* and *think*, rather than just assuming and spouting. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-24-11 07:19 AM |
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alcohol and tobacco are both addictive, pot isn't. |
Warren Stupidity |
Nov-23-11 08:09 PM |
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Oh, contraire! (wikipedia link to follow!) |
Romulox |
Nov-23-11 09:35 PM |
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whatever - and where is your alleged link? |
Warren Stupidity |
Nov-24-11 09:47 AM |
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I'm afraid you're probably wrong about that. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-24-11 10:37 AM |
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That's actually funny |
Occulus |
Nov-24-11 11:00 AM |
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It isn't, but it should be, with an exception for nicotine. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-24-11 07:25 AM |
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but it seems your morality influences your perception of 'harm' |
Warren Stupidity |
Nov-24-11 09:45 AM |
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The figure you're omitting is "amount of use". |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-24-11 10:33 AM |
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agree. remove the financial incentive |
RainDog |
Nov-24-11 07:17 AM |
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Exactly. |
Sparkly |
Nov-24-11 10:47 AM |
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Private Contractors |
RainDog |
Nov-23-11 05:26 PM |
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I am VERY close to this issue. |
Enthusiast |
Nov-24-11 11:04 AM |
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sorry to hear about your family problems |
RainDog |
Nov-24-11 08:09 PM |
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Thank you for sharing that with me. |
Enthusiast |
Nov-25-11 03:11 AM |
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I hope your family member can get some help |
RainDog |
Nov-25-11 07:57 PM |
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We Need Laws To Separate Stupid, Self-Indulgent Wankers From the Rest of the Population |
NashVegas |
Nov-24-11 12:58 PM |
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so, prison is a way to weed out the stupid? |
RainDog |
Nov-24-11 08:26 PM |
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some people screw up no matter what |
roman7 |
Nov-24-11 01:22 PM |
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Clever :) |
varelse |
Nov-24-11 01:26 PM |
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The same argument the pro-lifers make for controlling the bodies of others. |
JoeyT |
Nov-24-11 03:34 PM |
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via The Root |
RainDog |
Nov-25-11 01:12 AM |
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It is OK |
mick063 |
Nov-26-11 07:55 AM |
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