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Thu Jan-20-11 06:28 PM
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| -Teachers are not pushing our kids far enough |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 04:48 PM |
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It's been that way for about 20 years, |
virgogal |
Jan-20-11 04:52 PM |
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I am willing to go all the way back to Reagan |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 04:53 PM |
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I'm not so sure that the "Chinese Mother" approach yields children who can think for themselves.. |
Fumesucker |
Jan-20-11 04:52 PM |
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Yep, I guess I was a very unhappy kid |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 04:54 PM |
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So your experiences are valid for everyone? |
Fumesucker |
Jan-20-11 04:56 PM |
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My experience is like most kids around the world |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 04:57 PM |
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I'm definitely a believer in a good educational system. |
Fumesucker |
Jan-20-11 05:00 PM |
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Mine wasn't |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 05:01 PM |
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I was responding to the specifics of the Chinese mother you wrote about in the OP.. |
Fumesucker |
Jan-20-11 05:22 PM |
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And I am amused that while we go ballistic on her |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 05:25 PM |
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I've spoken up on a number of education threads recently.. |
Fumesucker |
Jan-20-11 05:39 PM |
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Let me try to explain this, since obviously you are fixing on her |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 05:43 PM |
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I've spoken up about the things you mention.. |
Fumesucker |
Jan-20-11 05:52 PM |
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+1 |
smokey nj |
Jan-20-11 05:53 PM |
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That was the point though, |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 05:56 PM |
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no. i see no relation whatsoever between the chinese mother & the fact that the us is cutting |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-20-11 06:29 PM |
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bullshit. |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-20-11 06:28 PM |
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I think religion-think creationist & dominionist types, home schooling, & |
StarsInHerHair |
Jan-20-11 06:32 PM |
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Name removed |
Jan-20-11 06:03 PM |
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1 son has a 4.0 GPA BSME the other @ 13yrs is building a turbine engine |
FreakinDJ |
Jan-20-11 05:00 PM |
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THANK YOU |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 05:00 PM |
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but but .... Jet Turbines can be way cool |
FreakinDJ |
Jan-20-11 05:03 PM |
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That's reasonable--this mother isn't--- |
msanthrope |
Jan-20-11 05:04 PM |
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that's just sick. |
cali |
Jan-20-11 05:08 PM |
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She's a sick, twisted individual....making a buck over her self-absoprtion. Nothing more American |
msanthrope |
Jan-20-11 05:14 PM |
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+1 |
Innoma |
Jan-20-11 05:36 PM |
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Where the hell is Child Protective Services? |
Odin2005 |
Jan-20-11 05:17 PM |
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On what grounds? |
cleanhippie |
Jan-20-11 06:15 PM |
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Emotional abuse isn't abuse to you? |
Odin2005 |
Jan-20-11 06:45 PM |
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It is abuse. You're absolutely right. It's why I'm absolutely sickened by the OP. |
Pithlet |
Jan-20-11 08:16 PM |
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There will ALWAYS be an example of someone taking things to the extreme. |
cleanhippie |
Jan-20-11 06:14 PM |
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I've seen kids from the very same family take very different paths.. |
Fumesucker |
Jan-20-11 05:07 PM |
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That would be my oldest - he drives a truck |
FreakinDJ |
Jan-20-11 05:10 PM |
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We need more dads like you! |
Codeine |
Jan-20-11 05:31 PM |
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Correct. But it does, apparently, yield a child who is technically superior to |
jtuck004 |
Jan-20-11 07:02 PM |
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Japan has been re-examining the system |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 07:22 PM |
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imho, its what they emphasize. Math, science, finance, some music |
jtuck004 |
Jan-20-11 07:55 PM |
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I like to think that the sleep-overs my sons enjoy as part of their socialization actually helps |
villager |
Jan-20-11 04:53 PM |
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Yes, but the curriculum, when compared to other places |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 04:55 PM |
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Latin was a required course in my dad's day |
texastoast |
Jan-20-11 04:53 PM |
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My mom's HS work in the 40s at the American School |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 04:56 PM |
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It was required in mine, too. n/t |
msanthrope |
Jan-20-11 04:58 PM |
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My mom was required to take Latin as well - in a small high school in Wisconsin. |
TBF |
Jan-20-11 05:04 PM |
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My ex-father-in-law was from a small rancho town in Mexico. |
Codeine |
Jan-20-11 05:41 PM |
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The difference between making a life... |
Davis_X_Machina |
Jan-20-11 07:04 PM |
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In many parts of the country, most young people did not graduate from high school |
Nikia |
Jan-20-11 07:38 PM |
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refusing your small child bathroom breaks until she nails a difficult violin piece is child abuse. |
msanthrope |
Jan-20-11 04:56 PM |
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Yes, why kids at Bangalore, and Xinxua where they understand |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 04:58 PM |
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She doesn't believe in anything but herself--it's classic narcissism, |
msanthrope |
Jan-20-11 05:02 PM |
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I am telling you that this is why we |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 05:04 PM |
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which is why kids from all over the world want to go to Harvard and M.I.T. |
cali |
Jan-20-11 05:11 PM |
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That is increasingly less true every year. |
MedicalAdmin |
Jan-20-11 07:20 PM |
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Great. Now insult Jewish people, along with the Chinese--- |
msanthrope |
Jan-20-11 05:12 PM |
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That is your opinion |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 05:16 PM |
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Did the Jews you grew up with threaten to burn your possessions? Call you 'garbage?' |
msanthrope |
Jan-20-11 05:23 PM |
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While you focus on her I focused on cultural values |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 05:26 PM |
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The only cultural value Amy Chua represents is American narcissism and how to make a buck off it. |
msanthrope |
Jan-20-11 05:32 PM |
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and... re-read the OP |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 05:44 PM |
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No, that's why they will fall behind further |
treestar |
Jan-20-11 06:02 PM |
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Great ideas. Excellent points. Fab analysis.. And a crappy example. |
MedicalAdmin |
Jan-20-11 07:18 PM |
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She is extreme, she is in the media |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 07:24 PM |
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It's a shame. |
MedicalAdmin |
Jan-20-11 07:37 PM |
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Nah the idea of the post was to highlight |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 07:41 PM |
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+1000 |
cali |
Jan-20-11 05:10 PM |
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I think she's using "believing in education" as an excuse to be a control freak. |
Hello_Kitty |
Jan-20-11 05:57 PM |
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We don't believe in education as a culture? |
Pithlet |
Jan-20-11 07:57 PM |
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What a bitch. |
Lucian |
Jan-20-11 05:32 PM |
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Amen! What a fuckn' lunatic |
treestar |
Jan-20-11 06:00 PM |
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Socrates: |
Sancho |
Jan-20-11 04:57 PM |
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I've Read Dozens of Responses to this Article |
On the Road |
Jan-20-11 08:16 PM |
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my kids gets up at 5:30. starts day at 6:30. i dont pick him up until after 5:30 |
seabeyond |
Jan-20-11 04:58 PM |
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I don't believe you are the average |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 04:59 PM |
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i hear ya. i have been saying over and over, the opportunity for education is there. i know |
seabeyond |
Jan-20-11 05:03 PM |
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+1 |
Codeine |
Jan-20-11 05:35 PM |
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and why you had the incentive, dont know. but exactly. school wasnt the priority in our house |
seabeyond |
Jan-20-11 07:18 PM |
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btw... pta, i was tellin principal.... MORE homework. and telling teachers |
seabeyond |
Jan-20-11 05:07 PM |
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And there lies part of the problem |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 05:09 PM |
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another thing i realized nad. by 7th grade they barely take time to teach to tests |
seabeyond |
Jan-20-11 07:28 PM |
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As a former teacher who was the toughest most demanding ... |
MedicalAdmin |
Jan-20-11 07:30 PM |
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what happened to kids having time to be kids? |
Odin2005 |
Jan-20-11 06:48 PM |
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weekends. but they arent little kids anymore. they are almost adults. they want |
seabeyond |
Jan-20-11 07:20 PM |
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Kids mostly don't exercise imagination anymore. |
Codeine |
Jan-20-11 07:33 PM |
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Wow. What grade is he in? |
GreenPartyVoter |
Jan-20-11 05:23 PM |
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sophmore. all AP course so lots of tough work. cross country and track |
seabeyond |
Jan-20-11 05:26 PM |
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Yeah, mine get up around 6:00am or 6:30am most days. The older one is in 7th grade |
GreenPartyVoter |
Jan-20-11 05:33 PM |
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i have one in 7th and it does get tough. what i see is 7th is when it starts. |
seabeyond |
Jan-20-11 07:25 PM |
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Yeah, he's very self-driven. Has already mapped out a plan for how long it |
GreenPartyVoter |
Jan-20-11 08:37 PM |
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Very good OP - |
TBF |
Jan-20-11 05:11 PM |
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Sorry, but that mother is an emotionally absuive monster. |
Odin2005 |
Jan-20-11 05:14 PM |
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So let me get this straight |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 05:20 PM |
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I knew it--you don't actually have kids.....Jeebus..... |
msanthrope |
Jan-20-11 05:29 PM |
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I got nephews, and your point |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 05:30 PM |
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So not abusing kids is coddling? |
Odin2005 |
Jan-20-11 05:39 PM |
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Don't you get it? There's no middle ground. Either you have to totally abuse your children to make |
Brickbat |
Jan-20-11 05:40 PM |
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Heh, I'm of the opinion that kids should not let their schooling get in the way of their education. |
Odin2005 |
Jan-20-11 05:44 PM |
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You do not need to abuse them to push them |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 05:42 PM |
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This woman isn't pushing her kid, she is abusing her. |
Odin2005 |
Jan-20-11 05:46 PM |
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Try this, forget her... compare academics |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 05:47 PM |
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The much-vaunted East Asian educational systems are all about rote learning and obedience... |
Odin2005 |
Jan-20-11 05:53 PM |
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Tell me where are they right now? |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 05:58 PM |
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you don't know what you're talking about. no clue whatsoever. |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-20-11 06:34 PM |
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I agree |
MedicalAdmin |
Jan-20-11 07:46 PM |
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If we have to be abusive assholes to kids to be "number one" who needs it? |
Hello_Kitty |
Jan-20-11 06:10 PM |
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How about funding schools? |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 06:13 PM |
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All of those things are great |
Hello_Kitty |
Jan-20-11 06:27 PM |
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Since this is not about her, try again |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 06:28 PM |
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You're the one who brought her up. You're the one who made it about her. |
smokey nj |
Jan-20-11 06:37 PM |
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I used how she is being attacked and the SUBTEXT |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 06:42 PM |
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You should have chosen a better example. |
smokey nj |
Jan-20-11 06:52 PM |
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Since that is what the media is talking about |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 06:55 PM |
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bullshit. |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-20-11 06:33 PM |
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Then tell us about your bilingual, music playing nephews, and how they could benefit from Chua's |
msanthrope |
Jan-20-11 05:54 PM |
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Your problem is not the methods |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 06:47 PM |
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You are putting words into people's mouths, Nadin. Shame on you. |
Odin2005 |
Jan-20-11 06:52 PM |
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I am not |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 06:56 PM |
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But you are. |
MedicalAdmin |
Jan-20-11 07:53 PM |
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No I wont, in fact, I am about to ask the admins to just lock the damn thread |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 07:57 PM |
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THANK YOU! |
smokey nj |
Jan-20-11 08:17 PM |
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Dude, my aspie kid is fluent in another language, and plays piano |
msanthrope |
Jan-20-11 07:12 PM |
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Did I say you got to threaten your kid? NO |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 07:17 PM |
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Please do not blame the posters on this thread for failing to 'get' an OP |
msanthrope |
Jan-20-11 08:43 PM |
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+1 |
demmiblue |
Jan-20-11 05:51 PM |
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Most homework is useless BS busywork. IMO kids are getting way to much. |
Odin2005 |
Jan-20-11 05:37 PM |
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Yes it is insanity |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 05:46 PM |
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The HELL if it isn't. |
Odin2005 |
Jan-20-11 05:50 PM |
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Ah... poor kid |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 05:55 PM |
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and you don't even HAVE kids? wowza that's rich... |
dionysus |
Jan-20-11 06:07 PM |
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it is, isn't it? |
cali |
Jan-20-11 06:08 PM |
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Careful, some wil call you a "child abuser" for that! |
cleanhippie |
Jan-20-11 06:17 PM |
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Yep, implied |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 06:32 PM |
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One can treat school as a serious matter and allow sleepovers, encourage outside activities and |
Brickbat |
Jan-20-11 05:25 PM |
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And while the US contnues to decline |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 05:29 PM |
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Are you seriously saying this woman's book is a Sputnik moment? |
Brickbat |
Jan-20-11 05:37 PM |
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No, it is not her |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 05:41 PM |
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Using Amy Chua's example as a way to point out how the American attitude toward education is flawed |
Brickbat |
Jan-20-11 05:53 PM |
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+1 |
smokey nj |
Jan-20-11 05:54 PM |
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Again re-read what I said |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 06:00 PM |
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She is, indeed, a distraction. |
Brickbat |
Jan-20-11 06:19 PM |
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+1 |
smokey nj |
Jan-20-11 06:29 PM |
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Well indeed, why we are still not discussing closing schools |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 06:35 PM |
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OK, now you're just talking in circles. |
Brickbat |
Jan-20-11 08:36 PM |
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+1. I resoundingly agree. |
cali |
Jan-20-11 05:48 PM |
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Every time I push a kid in my class they start whining about their "right to be pushed" |
Bucky |
Jan-20-11 05:26 PM |
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my family valued and stressed education, but behaved nothing like she advocates |
fishwax |
Jan-20-11 05:28 PM |
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One of my favorite books: The Age of American Unreason by Susan Jacoby |
ashling |
Jan-20-11 05:31 PM |
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Absolutely a must read |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 05:46 PM |
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I thought we didn't need algebra. I read it here. nt |
Obamanaut |
Jan-20-11 05:34 PM |
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I agree our schools should be better, but there is one big problem that remains. |
JVS |
Jan-20-11 05:51 PM |
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That is where we need to put pressure to change our |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 06:01 PM |
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"Pushing" never works |
treestar |
Jan-20-11 05:59 PM |
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Bravo! |
cleanhippie |
Jan-20-11 06:12 PM |
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methinks I touched a raw nerve though |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 06:15 PM |
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You certainly did. |
cleanhippie |
Jan-20-11 06:18 PM |
#105 |
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the "raw nerve" is your post is illogical & contains errors of fact, as does your defense. |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-20-11 06:35 PM |
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I don't think so. |
rug |
Jan-20-11 06:19 PM |
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America has a lot of different mini-cultures going on, unlike China, which is |
Liquorice |
Jan-20-11 06:26 PM |
#108 |
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It is not a paragon of what we need to do |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 06:30 PM |
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I agree with you actually. I was just making the point that there are parents |
Liquorice |
Jan-20-11 06:36 PM |
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china has many "mini-cultures," more so than the us. |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-20-11 06:36 PM |
#122 |
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As a teacher, I largely agree |
TeacherB87 |
Jan-20-11 06:39 PM |
#124 |
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Oh and corny as it will sound |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 06:43 PM |
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My kids' piano teacher sent me a link to the Tiger Mom article. She said it really resonated with |
MissB |
Jan-20-11 06:52 PM |
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A parent telling their kid that a 99% grade is not good enough is an asshole. |
Odin2005 |
Jan-20-11 06:58 PM |
#136 |
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There is always balance |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 07:01 PM |
#139 |
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Goddamn... |
Innoma |
Jan-20-11 06:56 PM |
#135 |
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You need to post more. n/t |
msanthrope |
Jan-20-11 06:58 PM |
#137 |
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Nobody said adopt her methods |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 06:59 PM |
#138 |
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Why is the press covering it in such a bad way? |
Pithlet |
Jan-20-11 08:03 PM |
#170 |
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When do they have time to challenge students? |
Canuckistanian |
Jan-20-11 07:11 PM |
#142 |
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And that is part of our social mores |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 07:13 PM |
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that is another thing. i have found by 7th grade,no longer taking the time to teach to tak tests |
seabeyond |
Jan-20-11 07:27 PM |
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and when they do, parents howl with rage over all that extra work |
SoCalDem |
Jan-20-11 07:16 PM |
#145 |
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Why I said it is not them teachers |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-20-11 07:25 PM |
#154 |
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I'd like to know what you base this judgment on, exactly. |
Pithlet |
Jan-20-11 08:43 PM |
#176 |
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My entire house was a noisy playground and sleepover. |
hunter |
Jan-20-11 07:28 PM |
#156 |
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Rec'd in vain. n/t |
Catherina |
Jan-20-11 07:37 PM |
#160 |
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I rarely unrec, but I enthusiastically unreced this one. |
Pithlet |
Jan-20-11 07:58 PM |
#169 |
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The OP of this thread has asked that we lock it. |
greatauntoftriplets |
Jan-20-11 08:46 PM |
#178 |
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