sabrina 1
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Tue Nov-22-11 03:14 PM
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| 15. Have you read that case? If not you should, John Adams never |
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defended anyone he did not believe deserved defending. It was not a popular decision but it was the right one as even the people came to see as the case was presented.
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| -Which response would you characterize as more out of line? |
DFab420 |
Nov-22-11 03:02 PM |
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Apples and beach balls. |
The Velveteen Ocelot |
Nov-22-11 03:04 PM |
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Nah my point is that the Boston massacre response was far and away worse then the PD response. |
DFab420 |
Nov-22-11 03:08 PM |
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Well, not to make light of the Boston Massacre - and I don't think anyone is-- |
The Velveteen Ocelot |
Nov-22-11 03:23 PM |
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very well said. nt |
DFab420 |
Nov-22-11 03:55 PM |
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If you want to believe the fairy tale version of the American Revolution, that is your perogative. |
dawg |
Nov-22-11 03:05 PM |
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You realize the British Regular riflebutted a young boy first, before the crowd showed up right??? |
DFab420 |
Nov-22-11 03:10 PM |
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The British soldiers were not civilian police sworn to protect |
sabrina 1 |
Nov-22-11 03:06 PM |
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John Adams defended them because no one else would take the case and he felt it was a moral |
DFab420 |
Nov-22-11 03:09 PM |
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Have you read that case? If not you should, John Adams never |
sabrina 1 |
Nov-22-11 03:14 PM |
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That's exactly what I just said...he defended them on moral principle.do you even read what I write? |
DFab420 |
Nov-22-11 03:15 PM |
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What metric do you think we should use? nt |
bemildred |
Nov-22-11 03:06 PM |
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I measure it by lives lost. |
DFab420 |
Nov-22-11 03:08 PM |
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"We're not as bad as the Hessians" isn't much of a defense, but OK. |
bemildred |
Nov-22-11 03:09 PM |
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Then you might have to suspend your judgment for a while ... |
dawg |
Nov-22-11 03:11 PM |
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Lives have been lost as a result of police brutality for years |
sabrina 1 |
Nov-22-11 03:18 PM |
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Don't misunderstand me. I'm in no way saying what the police are doing is acceptable. |
DFab420 |
Nov-22-11 03:22 PM |
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They have leveled guns at protesters, in Chapel Hill airc. |
sabrina 1 |
Nov-22-11 03:30 PM |
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Go Whole Hog, Doctor: 'Hitler Done Worse, So Quit Yer Bitchin'!' |
The Magistrate |
Nov-22-11 03:33 PM |
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Excuse me, that is a wild mischaracterization of the discussion at hand. I simply feel the Boston |
DFab420 |
Nov-22-11 03:37 PM |
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It is, Doctor, A Precise Distillation Of Your Position's Essence |
The Magistrate |
Nov-22-11 03:41 PM |
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No again, I'm making a point with the words I am saying. You are attributing a differnent point to |
DFab420 |
Nov-22-11 03:46 PM |
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You Fool No One, Doctor |
The Magistrate |
Nov-22-11 03:56 PM |
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Whatever. You want to be that way fine. nt |
DFab420 |
Nov-22-11 03:57 PM |
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This is what the Massachusetts jury thought .... |
dawg |
Nov-22-11 03:09 PM |
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Here's the full story about the trial. |
DFab420 |
Nov-22-11 03:11 PM |
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So you bold the part that makes Adams look like a dick. |
dawg |
Nov-22-11 03:15 PM |
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Hahaha right ok. So the next time the cops use tear gas and say it was because they felt threatend |
DFab420 |
Nov-22-11 03:17 PM |
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I'm not siding with the Red Coats this time. I'm making a comparison. |
dawg |
Nov-22-11 03:19 PM |
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Agreed. I suppose in our discussion of life lost the miscarriage got looked over. |
DFab420 |
Nov-22-11 03:26 PM |
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Here's the part you should have bolded: |
sabrina 1 |
Nov-22-11 03:26 PM |
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I bolded it to show how Adams is a good defense lawyer and used the jury's prejudices to help his |
DFab420 |
Nov-22-11 03:26 PM |
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See, that's why "due process" is so risky |
gratuitous |
Nov-22-11 03:32 PM |
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The Second, Doctor: The English Soldiers Had Real Reason To Fear For their Lives |
The Magistrate |
Nov-22-11 03:12 PM |
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SO does that make the Kent state shooting ok too? |
DFab420 |
Nov-22-11 03:12 PM |
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Nobody said any of this was ok. |
dawg |
Nov-22-11 03:17 PM |
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The soldiers at kent were not at arms reach |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-22-11 03:18 PM |
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The Guardsmen At Kent State Were Under No Such Threat, Doctor |
The Magistrate |
Nov-22-11 03:23 PM |
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Was the NG under attack by the Kent Students? Were they armed |
sabrina 1 |
Nov-22-11 03:33 PM |
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Eh, the major difference seems to be that the British troops got tried for what they did.. |
Fumesucker |
Nov-22-11 03:15 PM |
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If only the police would be put on trial... |
DFab420 |
Nov-22-11 03:18 PM |
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Lemme see |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-22-11 03:22 PM |
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Really? You really think if the UC Davis police had opened fire into the crowd, even if it was |
DFab420 |
Nov-22-11 03:24 PM |
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straw man |
dawg |
Nov-22-11 03:29 PM |
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No straw man. I was asking if the UCDavis cops faced the same situation |
DFab420 |
Nov-22-11 03:31 PM |
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It would be the same. |
dawg |
Nov-22-11 03:33 PM |
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If 7 or 8 UC cops had been surrounded by 300 angry students |
The Velveteen Ocelot |
Nov-22-11 03:35 PM |
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Even live ammo |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-22-11 03:36 PM |
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If there Was A Real Threat, Sir, Many Here Would Acknowledge That fact |
The Magistrate |
Nov-22-11 03:30 PM |
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+1 |
freshwest |
Nov-23-11 10:52 AM |
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I am telling you how the use of force protocol works. |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-22-11 03:32 PM |
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I do, again I'm not trying to say what the police did was right. In any way shape or form |
DFab420 |
Nov-22-11 03:35 PM |
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Informed opinion is what you just got |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-22-11 03:38 PM |
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But Of Course, Ma'am, Informed Opinion And Judgement was Not Really What He was Looking For.... |
The Magistrate |
Nov-22-11 03:44 PM |
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Dude, who the fuck are you to go around telling other people what I am talking about. |
DFab420 |
Nov-22-11 03:50 PM |
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Name removed |
Nov-22-11 03:58 PM |
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See, great position, well thought out and clear. And you didn't even have to insult the other person |
DFab420 |
Nov-22-11 03:47 PM |
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The UC Davis cops didn't need to arrest anyone. |
Eric J in MN |
Nov-22-11 04:14 PM |
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I am just pointing out that from a use of force perspective |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-22-11 04:19 PM |
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Change British Regulars to American Soldiers. |
dawg |
Nov-22-11 03:31 PM |
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Well said n/t |
sabrina 1 |
Nov-22-11 03:35 PM |
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I have been tear gassed and I have been shot. At least in terms of which I prefer ... |
11 Bravo |
Nov-22-11 03:38 PM |
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So you would want to get shot right?? j/k j/k |
DFab420 |
Nov-22-11 03:54 PM |
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You've got to love DU, though. |
dawg |
Nov-22-11 03:40 PM |
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haha truth. I do enjoy some of the debates here. |
DFab420 |
Nov-22-11 03:53 PM |
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You know I love you. |
dawg |
Nov-22-11 03:53 PM |
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yay! |
DFab420 |
Nov-22-11 03:54 PM |
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The Redcoats were actually under attack. The cops weren't. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Nov-22-11 03:41 PM |
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Oh, and about your poll .... |
dawg |
Nov-22-11 03:52 PM |
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DOH! |
DFab420 |
Nov-22-11 03:53 PM |
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Also about my poll, it's the first one I ever made! Haha what a great and strange subject |
DFab420 |
Nov-22-11 03:56 PM |
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Sorry, but there have been literally DOZENS of events worst than U.C. Davis... |
MarkCharles |
Nov-22-11 04:06 PM |
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Agreed, while the pepper spraying was terrible there sure |
treestar |
Nov-22-11 04:08 PM |
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American Exceptionalism at it's best |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-22-11 04:16 PM |
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To say: At least the Oakland cops didn't kill any protesters that night... |
Eric J in MN |
Nov-22-11 04:12 PM |
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