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mythology Donating Member (169 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 12:41 PM
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42. Is there anything to suggest that the OWS movement has
enough support to be able to run meaningful candidates at the federal level? It costs a lot of money and even the largest OWS protests don't generate the money for that.

I think they would be better off running in Democratic primaries at the local level and gain influence that way. For example, gaining control over a local school board or city council and working to create better situations at that level. For example, I recently heard about an approach in Norway where instead of buying school textbooks, the schools worked to purchase the rights to the textbook and turned it into an open source project to make the textbooks applicable across a wider range of student achievement levels.

To run as independent candidates in a three way first past the post election, you will often wind up with your least favored candidate winning. For example see what happened in Maine's gubernatorial election which resulted in the current idiot. In an ideal world, we'd have instant run-off or proportional representation, but we don't have either of those in most states.
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  -The dilemma OWS faces concerning next years elections hack89  Nov-20-11 10:49 AM   #0 
  - The problem is that we have a " ruling elite " the process is corrupt and serves only the .001%. .  Vincardog   Nov-20-11 10:53 AM   #1 
  - So how does OWS effect real change?  hack89   Nov-20-11 11:06 AM   #7 
     - Do you believe that POLITICS is the ONLY mechanism for CHANGE?  Vincardog   Nov-20-11 11:10 AM   #11 
     - Lets hear your viable alternative.  hack89   Nov-20-11 11:13 AM   #13 
     - OWS should continue to grow until it can call a WORLD WIDE STRIKE. SHUT IT ALL DOWN.  Vincardog   Nov-20-11 11:18 AM   #18 
        - And why do you assume OWS has that kind of support?  hack89   Nov-20-11 11:24 AM   #25 
           - there are lots of cities and states where there is no occupy movement. YET. What part of Continue to  Vincardog   Nov-20-11 11:31 AM   #29 
              - But they are not growing.  hack89   Nov-20-11 12:45 PM   #43 
                 - If they are totally irrelevant why are you so worried about their desired action??  Vincardog   Nov-20-11 12:56 PM   #49 
                    - Because I want them to be relevant. nt  hack89   Nov-20-11 12:59 PM   #51 
     - The GOP sweep of the mid-terms brought real change  bhikkhu   Nov-20-11 11:20 AM   #19 
     - They are successful just the way they are... leaderless and w no hiearchy  firehorse   Nov-20-11 12:47 PM   #44 
        - How are you define success?  hack89   Nov-20-11 12:57 PM   #50 
           - the silent majority are already talking, its a large growing movement, that makes it a success  firehorse   Nov-20-11 01:08 PM   #52 
              - People at the occupy sites are a self selected minority  hack89   Nov-20-11 01:14 PM   #54 
                 - The volunteer protestors are like congressmen, each representing thousands in 99%  firehorse   Nov-20-11 01:40 PM   #57 
                    - I don't want to feel good  hack89   Nov-20-11 07:23 PM   #63 
  - Politicians face the dilemma, not OWS.  rucky   Nov-20-11 10:55 AM   #2 
  - If OWS is not a viable threat to the politicians then the politicians have no dilemma  hack89   Nov-20-11 11:09 AM   #8 
  - exactly +1  firehorse   Nov-20-11 12:47 PM   #45 
  - OWS is not about influencing elections. a president with no leadership skills is irrelevant nt  msongs   Nov-20-11 10:58 AM   #3 
  - So OSW is all about righteous unfocused anger and not political change?  hack89   Nov-20-11 11:05 AM   #6 
     - OWS is not about endorsing the lies of a particular candidate who is being an opportunist  msongs   Nov-20-11 11:22 AM   #23 
        - So what are they about when it comes to elections?  hack89   Nov-20-11 11:26 AM   #26 
           - They are about taking the money out of politics.  sabrina 1   Nov-20-11 12:24 PM   #40 
              - So should all of us involved in political campaigns stop right now?  hack89   Nov-20-11 07:41 PM   #68 
  - What if they run their own candidate?  RoccoR5955   Nov-20-11 10:58 AM   #4 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-20-11 11:02 AM   #5 
  - That's what I want - they cannot ignore the political process.  hack89   Nov-20-11 11:10 AM   #10 
  - So you believe that politics is the only answer. Do you also believe that the existing political sys  Vincardog   Nov-20-11 11:16 AM   #15 
     - In the absence of a viable alternative from you - yes. nt  hack89   Nov-20-11 11:17 AM   #17 
     - For me politics at the moment is a holding pattern that allows us  jwirr   Nov-20-11 12:38 PM   #41 
     - Nothing changes until the rules change.  Telly Savalas   Nov-20-11 08:48 PM   #70 
  - Is there anything to suggest that the OWS movement has  mythology   Nov-20-11 12:41 PM   #42 
     - What about Congressional and Senatorial elections?  RoccoR5955   Nov-20-11 12:56 PM   #48 
  - What in the world makes you think that the election will be about how our problems will be fixed?  TheKentuckian   Nov-20-11 11:09 AM   #9 
  - How do you envision OWS changing the system?  hack89   Nov-20-11 11:12 AM   #12 
  - Continuing to get beaten in the streets is a good next step  MedleyMisty   Nov-20-11 11:35 AM   #31 
  - Bingo "Throwing in with an unreformed Democratic party is worse than doing nothing because it means  Vincardog   Nov-20-11 11:14 AM   #14 
  - The problem is there are no easy fixes, this is literally a Humpty Dumpty FUBAR....  roseBudd   Nov-20-11 11:21 AM   #21 
  - I disagree, the difference between FDR & Obama is FDR became POTUS 3 yrs into...  roseBudd   Nov-20-11 11:17 AM   #16 
  - Politicians care about votes not mandates  hack89   Nov-20-11 11:21 AM   #22 
     - It just seems that way because the hard core activists are pleased with their hard coreness...  roseBudd   Nov-20-11 11:31 AM   #28 
  - The whole system may have to come down before  fasttense   Nov-20-11 11:20 AM   #20 
  - Short of violent revolution, exactly how do you do that?  hack89   Nov-20-11 11:23 AM   #24 
  - The world's largest economy being tore down would impact the entire globe...  roseBudd   Nov-20-11 11:32 AM   #30 
  - The 99% of the entire globe want capitalism to end  MedleyMisty   Nov-20-11 12:04 PM   #35 
     - no they don't, despite your assumption that starvation is no big woop  roseBudd   Nov-20-11 01:30 PM   #55 
  - Why do pro status quo people always go straight to "violent revolution"?  MedleyMisty   Nov-20-11 11:54 AM   #32 
  - Because when you have won the last flippable heart and mind and still face an intractable enemy  TheKentuckian   Nov-20-11 03:03 PM   #61 
  - You misunderstand - I reject violent change out of hand  hack89   Nov-20-11 07:30 PM   #65 
  - I'm not sure how OWS envisions it but  fasttense   Nov-20-11 11:56 AM   #33 
  - MLK and the civil rights movement were deep into the political process  hack89   Nov-20-11 07:35 PM   #66 
  - The Populist Reforms sweeping across Latin America...  bvar22   Nov-20-11 01:31 PM   #56 
  - I believe somebody is trying to force everyone else into a political box. SOmebody is not you Fast  Vincardog   Nov-20-11 11:29 AM   #27 
     - I am a practical person - I look for practical solutions  hack89   Nov-20-11 12:50 PM   #47 
  - Maybe...just maybe they plan to influence the elections by  shraby   Nov-20-11 12:03 PM   #34 
  - +1  Morning Dew   Nov-20-11 12:09 PM   #37 
  - Half the country supports the police  hack89   Nov-20-11 01:10 PM   #53 
     - Are you saying that the 89 year old woman pepper sprayed is a "dirty hippy" that meme is archaic  firehorse   Nov-20-11 02:00 PM   #60 
        - I am not quoting Newt  hack89   Nov-20-11 07:38 PM   #67 
  - "just how does OWS plan to influence them?"  MilesColtrane   Nov-20-11 12:06 PM   #36 
  - As someone entrenched in the "change ultimately comes from the ballot box" camp  Telly Savalas   Nov-20-11 09:14 PM   #71 
  - Non-participation in a corrupt system can be very influential.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Nov-20-11 12:11 PM   #38 
  - Wrong  tcaudilllg   Nov-20-11 12:22 PM   #39 
  - IF three OWS people showed up at my local "democratic party" function, they would be the majority  Vincardog   Nov-20-11 12:49 PM   #46 
     - Then maybe you have some work to do.  tcaudilllg   Nov-20-11 03:10 PM   #62 
  - We don't fear anything, because the essence of who we are  Zorra   Nov-20-11 01:47 PM   #58 
  - Hack89 you don't get it.  philly_bob   Nov-20-11 01:58 PM   #59 
  - Why then? And what exactly should they do after the convention? nt  hack89   Nov-20-11 08:34 PM   #69 
  - K&R. Good questions in this thread...nt  SidDithers   Nov-20-11 07:25 PM   #64 

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