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Sun Nov-20-11 11:29 AM
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| 27. I believe somebody is trying to force everyone else into a political box. SOmebody is not you Fast |
| -The dilemma OWS faces concerning next years elections |
hack89 |
Nov-20-11 10:49 AM |
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The problem is that we have a " ruling elite " the process is corrupt and serves only the .001%. . |
Vincardog |
Nov-20-11 10:53 AM |
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So how does OWS effect real change? |
hack89 |
Nov-20-11 11:06 AM |
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Do you believe that POLITICS is the ONLY mechanism for CHANGE? |
Vincardog |
Nov-20-11 11:10 AM |
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Lets hear your viable alternative. |
hack89 |
Nov-20-11 11:13 AM |
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OWS should continue to grow until it can call a WORLD WIDE STRIKE. SHUT IT ALL DOWN. |
Vincardog |
Nov-20-11 11:18 AM |
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And why do you assume OWS has that kind of support? |
hack89 |
Nov-20-11 11:24 AM |
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there are lots of cities and states where there is no occupy movement. YET. What part of Continue to |
Vincardog |
Nov-20-11 11:31 AM |
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But they are not growing. |
hack89 |
Nov-20-11 12:45 PM |
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If they are totally irrelevant why are you so worried about their desired action?? |
Vincardog |
Nov-20-11 12:56 PM |
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Because I want them to be relevant. nt |
hack89 |
Nov-20-11 12:59 PM |
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The GOP sweep of the mid-terms brought real change |
bhikkhu |
Nov-20-11 11:20 AM |
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They are successful just the way they are... leaderless and w no hiearchy |
firehorse |
Nov-20-11 12:47 PM |
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How are you define success? |
hack89 |
Nov-20-11 12:57 PM |
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the silent majority are already talking, its a large growing movement, that makes it a success |
firehorse |
Nov-20-11 01:08 PM |
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People at the occupy sites are a self selected minority |
hack89 |
Nov-20-11 01:14 PM |
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The volunteer protestors are like congressmen, each representing thousands in 99% |
firehorse |
Nov-20-11 01:40 PM |
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I don't want to feel good |
hack89 |
Nov-20-11 07:23 PM |
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Politicians face the dilemma, not OWS. |
rucky |
Nov-20-11 10:55 AM |
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If OWS is not a viable threat to the politicians then the politicians have no dilemma |
hack89 |
Nov-20-11 11:09 AM |
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exactly +1 |
firehorse |
Nov-20-11 12:47 PM |
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OWS is not about influencing elections. a president with no leadership skills is irrelevant nt |
msongs |
Nov-20-11 10:58 AM |
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So OSW is all about righteous unfocused anger and not political change? |
hack89 |
Nov-20-11 11:05 AM |
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OWS is not about endorsing the lies of a particular candidate who is being an opportunist |
msongs |
Nov-20-11 11:22 AM |
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So what are they about when it comes to elections? |
hack89 |
Nov-20-11 11:26 AM |
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They are about taking the money out of politics. |
sabrina 1 |
Nov-20-11 12:24 PM |
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So should all of us involved in political campaigns stop right now? |
hack89 |
Nov-20-11 07:41 PM |
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What if they run their own candidate? |
RoccoR5955 |
Nov-20-11 10:58 AM |
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Nov-20-11 11:02 AM |
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That's what I want - they cannot ignore the political process. |
hack89 |
Nov-20-11 11:10 AM |
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So you believe that politics is the only answer. Do you also believe that the existing political sys |
Vincardog |
Nov-20-11 11:16 AM |
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In the absence of a viable alternative from you - yes. nt |
hack89 |
Nov-20-11 11:17 AM |
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For me politics at the moment is a holding pattern that allows us |
jwirr |
Nov-20-11 12:38 PM |
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Nothing changes until the rules change. |
Telly Savalas |
Nov-20-11 08:48 PM |
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Is there anything to suggest that the OWS movement has |
mythology |
Nov-20-11 12:41 PM |
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What about Congressional and Senatorial elections? |
RoccoR5955 |
Nov-20-11 12:56 PM |
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What in the world makes you think that the election will be about how our problems will be fixed? |
TheKentuckian |
Nov-20-11 11:09 AM |
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How do you envision OWS changing the system? |
hack89 |
Nov-20-11 11:12 AM |
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Continuing to get beaten in the streets is a good next step |
MedleyMisty |
Nov-20-11 11:35 AM |
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Bingo "Throwing in with an unreformed Democratic party is worse than doing nothing because it means |
Vincardog |
Nov-20-11 11:14 AM |
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The problem is there are no easy fixes, this is literally a Humpty Dumpty FUBAR.... |
roseBudd |
Nov-20-11 11:21 AM |
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I disagree, the difference between FDR & Obama is FDR became POTUS 3 yrs into... |
roseBudd |
Nov-20-11 11:17 AM |
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Politicians care about votes not mandates |
hack89 |
Nov-20-11 11:21 AM |
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It just seems that way because the hard core activists are pleased with their hard coreness... |
roseBudd |
Nov-20-11 11:31 AM |
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The whole system may have to come down before |
fasttense |
Nov-20-11 11:20 AM |
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Short of violent revolution, exactly how do you do that? |
hack89 |
Nov-20-11 11:23 AM |
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The world's largest economy being tore down would impact the entire globe... |
roseBudd |
Nov-20-11 11:32 AM |
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The 99% of the entire globe want capitalism to end |
MedleyMisty |
Nov-20-11 12:04 PM |
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no they don't, despite your assumption that starvation is no big woop |
roseBudd |
Nov-20-11 01:30 PM |
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Why do pro status quo people always go straight to "violent revolution"? |
MedleyMisty |
Nov-20-11 11:54 AM |
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Because when you have won the last flippable heart and mind and still face an intractable enemy |
TheKentuckian |
Nov-20-11 03:03 PM |
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You misunderstand - I reject violent change out of hand |
hack89 |
Nov-20-11 07:30 PM |
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I'm not sure how OWS envisions it but |
fasttense |
Nov-20-11 11:56 AM |
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MLK and the civil rights movement were deep into the political process |
hack89 |
Nov-20-11 07:35 PM |
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The Populist Reforms sweeping across Latin America... |
bvar22 |
Nov-20-11 01:31 PM |
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I believe somebody is trying to force everyone else into a political box. SOmebody is not you Fast |
Vincardog |
Nov-20-11 11:29 AM |
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I am a practical person - I look for practical solutions |
hack89 |
Nov-20-11 12:50 PM |
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Maybe...just maybe they plan to influence the elections by |
shraby |
Nov-20-11 12:03 PM |
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+1 |
Morning Dew |
Nov-20-11 12:09 PM |
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Half the country supports the police |
hack89 |
Nov-20-11 01:10 PM |
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Are you saying that the 89 year old woman pepper sprayed is a "dirty hippy" that meme is archaic |
firehorse |
Nov-20-11 02:00 PM |
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I am not quoting Newt |
hack89 |
Nov-20-11 07:38 PM |
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"just how does OWS plan to influence them?" |
MilesColtrane |
Nov-20-11 12:06 PM |
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As someone entrenched in the "change ultimately comes from the ballot box" camp |
Telly Savalas |
Nov-20-11 09:14 PM |
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Non-participation in a corrupt system can be very influential. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Nov-20-11 12:11 PM |
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Wrong |
tcaudilllg |
Nov-20-11 12:22 PM |
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IF three OWS people showed up at my local "democratic party" function, they would be the majority |
Vincardog |
Nov-20-11 12:49 PM |
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Then maybe you have some work to do. |
tcaudilllg |
Nov-20-11 03:10 PM |
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We don't fear anything, because the essence of who we are |
Zorra |
Nov-20-11 01:47 PM |
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Hack89 you don't get it. |
philly_bob |
Nov-20-11 01:58 PM |
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Why then? And what exactly should they do after the convention? nt |
hack89 |
Nov-20-11 08:34 PM |
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K&R. Good questions in this thread...nt |
SidDithers |
Nov-20-11 07:25 PM |
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