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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 11:20 AM
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19. The GOP sweep of the mid-terms brought real change
Edited on Sun Nov-20-11 11:30 AM by bhikkhu
...which is the example most relevant to the OP, I think.

on edit - the most immediate real change following that was the compromise that extended the bush tax cuts, which was unthinkable just a few months before. I know every thinks now that was all Obama - they forget the "GOP mandate" of the mid-terms...how a nation of people could decide to give a majority to asshats promising little but low taxes for the rich is beyond me, but I'd look at the next elections to see whether anything is going to change.
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  -The dilemma OWS faces concerning next years elections hack89  Nov-20-11 10:49 AM   #0 
  - The problem is that we have a " ruling elite " the process is corrupt and serves only the .001%. .  Vincardog   Nov-20-11 10:53 AM   #1 
  - So how does OWS effect real change?  hack89   Nov-20-11 11:06 AM   #7 
     - Do you believe that POLITICS is the ONLY mechanism for CHANGE?  Vincardog   Nov-20-11 11:10 AM   #11 
     - Lets hear your viable alternative.  hack89   Nov-20-11 11:13 AM   #13 
     - OWS should continue to grow until it can call a WORLD WIDE STRIKE. SHUT IT ALL DOWN.  Vincardog   Nov-20-11 11:18 AM   #18 
        - And why do you assume OWS has that kind of support?  hack89   Nov-20-11 11:24 AM   #25 
           - there are lots of cities and states where there is no occupy movement. YET. What part of Continue to  Vincardog   Nov-20-11 11:31 AM   #29 
              - But they are not growing.  hack89   Nov-20-11 12:45 PM   #43 
                 - If they are totally irrelevant why are you so worried about their desired action??  Vincardog   Nov-20-11 12:56 PM   #49 
                    - Because I want them to be relevant. nt  hack89   Nov-20-11 12:59 PM   #51 
     - The GOP sweep of the mid-terms brought real change  bhikkhu   Nov-20-11 11:20 AM   #19 
     - They are successful just the way they are... leaderless and w no hiearchy  firehorse   Nov-20-11 12:47 PM   #44 
        - How are you define success?  hack89   Nov-20-11 12:57 PM   #50 
           - the silent majority are already talking, its a large growing movement, that makes it a success  firehorse   Nov-20-11 01:08 PM   #52 
              - People at the occupy sites are a self selected minority  hack89   Nov-20-11 01:14 PM   #54 
                 - The volunteer protestors are like congressmen, each representing thousands in 99%  firehorse   Nov-20-11 01:40 PM   #57 
                    - I don't want to feel good  hack89   Nov-20-11 07:23 PM   #63 
  - Politicians face the dilemma, not OWS.  rucky   Nov-20-11 10:55 AM   #2 
  - If OWS is not a viable threat to the politicians then the politicians have no dilemma  hack89   Nov-20-11 11:09 AM   #8 
  - exactly +1  firehorse   Nov-20-11 12:47 PM   #45 
  - OWS is not about influencing elections. a president with no leadership skills is irrelevant nt  msongs   Nov-20-11 10:58 AM   #3 
  - So OSW is all about righteous unfocused anger and not political change?  hack89   Nov-20-11 11:05 AM   #6 
     - OWS is not about endorsing the lies of a particular candidate who is being an opportunist  msongs   Nov-20-11 11:22 AM   #23 
        - So what are they about when it comes to elections?  hack89   Nov-20-11 11:26 AM   #26 
           - They are about taking the money out of politics.  sabrina 1   Nov-20-11 12:24 PM   #40 
              - So should all of us involved in political campaigns stop right now?  hack89   Nov-20-11 07:41 PM   #68 
  - What if they run their own candidate?  RoccoR5955   Nov-20-11 10:58 AM   #4 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-20-11 11:02 AM   #5 
  - That's what I want - they cannot ignore the political process.  hack89   Nov-20-11 11:10 AM   #10 
  - So you believe that politics is the only answer. Do you also believe that the existing political sys  Vincardog   Nov-20-11 11:16 AM   #15 
     - In the absence of a viable alternative from you - yes. nt  hack89   Nov-20-11 11:17 AM   #17 
     - For me politics at the moment is a holding pattern that allows us  jwirr   Nov-20-11 12:38 PM   #41 
     - Nothing changes until the rules change.  Telly Savalas   Nov-20-11 08:48 PM   #70 
  - Is there anything to suggest that the OWS movement has  mythology   Nov-20-11 12:41 PM   #42 
     - What about Congressional and Senatorial elections?  RoccoR5955   Nov-20-11 12:56 PM   #48 
  - What in the world makes you think that the election will be about how our problems will be fixed?  TheKentuckian   Nov-20-11 11:09 AM   #9 
  - How do you envision OWS changing the system?  hack89   Nov-20-11 11:12 AM   #12 
  - Continuing to get beaten in the streets is a good next step  MedleyMisty   Nov-20-11 11:35 AM   #31 
  - Bingo "Throwing in with an unreformed Democratic party is worse than doing nothing because it means  Vincardog   Nov-20-11 11:14 AM   #14 
  - The problem is there are no easy fixes, this is literally a Humpty Dumpty FUBAR....  roseBudd   Nov-20-11 11:21 AM   #21 
  - I disagree, the difference between FDR & Obama is FDR became POTUS 3 yrs into...  roseBudd   Nov-20-11 11:17 AM   #16 
  - Politicians care about votes not mandates  hack89   Nov-20-11 11:21 AM   #22 
     - It just seems that way because the hard core activists are pleased with their hard coreness...  roseBudd   Nov-20-11 11:31 AM   #28 
  - The whole system may have to come down before  fasttense   Nov-20-11 11:20 AM   #20 
  - Short of violent revolution, exactly how do you do that?  hack89   Nov-20-11 11:23 AM   #24 
  - The world's largest economy being tore down would impact the entire globe...  roseBudd   Nov-20-11 11:32 AM   #30 
  - The 99% of the entire globe want capitalism to end  MedleyMisty   Nov-20-11 12:04 PM   #35 
     - no they don't, despite your assumption that starvation is no big woop  roseBudd   Nov-20-11 01:30 PM   #55 
  - Why do pro status quo people always go straight to "violent revolution"?  MedleyMisty   Nov-20-11 11:54 AM   #32 
  - Because when you have won the last flippable heart and mind and still face an intractable enemy  TheKentuckian   Nov-20-11 03:03 PM   #61 
  - You misunderstand - I reject violent change out of hand  hack89   Nov-20-11 07:30 PM   #65 
  - I'm not sure how OWS envisions it but  fasttense   Nov-20-11 11:56 AM   #33 
  - MLK and the civil rights movement were deep into the political process  hack89   Nov-20-11 07:35 PM   #66 
  - The Populist Reforms sweeping across Latin America...  bvar22   Nov-20-11 01:31 PM   #56 
  - I believe somebody is trying to force everyone else into a political box. SOmebody is not you Fast  Vincardog   Nov-20-11 11:29 AM   #27 
     - I am a practical person - I look for practical solutions  hack89   Nov-20-11 12:50 PM   #47 
  - Maybe...just maybe they plan to influence the elections by  shraby   Nov-20-11 12:03 PM   #34 
  - +1  Morning Dew   Nov-20-11 12:09 PM   #37 
  - Half the country supports the police  hack89   Nov-20-11 01:10 PM   #53 
     - Are you saying that the 89 year old woman pepper sprayed is a "dirty hippy" that meme is archaic  firehorse   Nov-20-11 02:00 PM   #60 
        - I am not quoting Newt  hack89   Nov-20-11 07:38 PM   #67 
  - "just how does OWS plan to influence them?"  MilesColtrane   Nov-20-11 12:06 PM   #36 
  - As someone entrenched in the "change ultimately comes from the ballot box" camp  Telly Savalas   Nov-20-11 09:14 PM   #71 
  - Non-participation in a corrupt system can be very influential.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Nov-20-11 12:11 PM   #38 
  - Wrong  tcaudilllg   Nov-20-11 12:22 PM   #39 
  - IF three OWS people showed up at my local "democratic party" function, they would be the majority  Vincardog   Nov-20-11 12:49 PM   #46 
     - Then maybe you have some work to do.  tcaudilllg   Nov-20-11 03:10 PM   #62 
  - We don't fear anything, because the essence of who we are  Zorra   Nov-20-11 01:47 PM   #58 
  - Hack89 you don't get it.  philly_bob   Nov-20-11 01:58 PM   #59 
  - Why then? And what exactly should they do after the convention? nt  hack89   Nov-20-11 08:34 PM   #69 
  - K&R. Good questions in this thread...nt  SidDithers   Nov-20-11 07:25 PM   #64 
 

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