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92. K&R. nt
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  -I was taken aback when Chomsky said this right after the election Ichingcarpenter  Nov-20-11 07:36 AM   #0 
  - recommend  xchrom   Nov-20-11 07:41 AM   #1 
  - kick n/t  Crop Circle   Nov-20-11 07:41 AM   #2 
  - Yep. n/t  Smarmie Doofus   Nov-20-11 07:48 AM   #3 
  - K&R  Fumesucker   Nov-20-11 07:51 AM   #4 
  - K&R  hulka38   Nov-20-11 07:54 AM   #5 
  - Thanks. nt  BlueIris   Nov-20-11 07:56 AM   #6 
  - K&R  PETRUS   Nov-20-11 07:57 AM   #7 
  - Lula - Brazil's Lula da Silva shaves beard in cancer battle  geckosfeet   Nov-20-11 08:10 AM   #8 
  - brazil?  bigtree   Nov-20-11 08:18 AM   #9 
  - Yes, Obama was a 'community organizer' in Chicago  Ichingcarpenter   Nov-20-11 08:33 AM   #11 
  - entirely different countries  bigtree   Nov-20-11 09:26 AM   #18 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-20-11 12:55 PM   #68 
  - How about you throw that red herring back...not edible.  FedUp_Queer   Nov-20-11 01:33 PM   #80 
  - American Exceptionalism is BUNK  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-20-11 11:50 PM   #154 
  - Ah!  Shining Jack   Nov-21-11 05:51 AM   #162 
  - LOL! You get the point, but then you don't. That's great stuff.  Pacifist Patriot   Nov-21-11 06:20 AM   #165 
  - I have found myself wondering how true this claim by Obama is.  haikugal   Nov-20-11 04:27 PM   #98 
  - I accept every word you say  truedelphi   Nov-20-11 04:52 PM   #102 
  - actually, you miss the biggest point. other places elect actual  roguevalley   Nov-20-11 09:25 AM   #17 
  - Brazil isn't like America  bigtree   Nov-20-11 09:38 AM   #20 
     - VIVA Democracy!!!  bvar22   Nov-20-11 11:42 AM   #46 
     - Right on, bvar22 ! Right on, right on, right on!  Enthusiast   Nov-20-11 04:16 PM   #96 
     - Oh dear God...  Number23   Nov-20-11 05:27 PM   #108 
     - A joke, right?  jefferson_dem   Nov-20-11 08:08 PM   #129 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-20-11 11:50 AM   #49 
     - PLUS ONE!  Enthusiast   Nov-20-11 04:18 PM   #97 
     - Yes.  sendero   Nov-20-11 02:07 PM   #89 
     - Which of these is not like the other  ashling   Nov-20-11 02:13 PM   #90 
     - That's another difference, the corrupt are held accountable  sabrina 1   Nov-20-11 06:47 PM   #117 
     - +1000!  Shining Jack   Nov-21-11 05:58 AM   #164 
     - Whether it's not like America or not is irrelevant to the point.  caseymoz   Nov-21-11 01:09 AM   #157 
  - Lula is a male, kid. Not 'her background' his background...  Bluenorthwest   Nov-20-11 11:10 AM   #36 
  - Man, you're still the same.  12AngryBorneoWildmen   Nov-20-11 12:06 PM   #53 
  - The large size of the picture doesn't change the fact that Bluenorthwest  suffragette   Nov-20-11 12:39 PM   #61 
  - In fairness...  FedUp_Queer   Nov-20-11 01:37 PM   #81 
  - That is really coincidental.  dotymed   Nov-20-11 05:24 PM   #107 
  - And Teddy Kennedy died ot it last year, and three of the most liberal  loudsue   Nov-20-11 05:43 PM   #114 
  - Community organizer indeed. Veeery good for the resume,  Fokker Trip   Nov-20-11 07:18 PM   #121 
  - Fail.  EFerrari   Nov-20-11 11:49 PM   #153 
  - Corporate controlled Empire in which we live does not allow for peasants  sarcasmo   Nov-20-11 08:30 AM   #10 
  - They are there but are marginalized at every step unless  Ichingcarpenter   Nov-20-11 09:06 AM   #15 
     - OWS's message is that BOTH parties are finished ---  defendandprotect   Nov-20-11 12:36 PM   #60 
        - I wholeheartedly agree with you.  dotymed   Nov-21-11 12:18 PM   #166 
  - Sorry Noam,  Itchinjim   Nov-20-11 08:45 AM   #12 
  - And no less than Gore Vidal was talking about it in the 80's....  bengalherder   Nov-20-11 12:50 PM   #64 
  - The First Step  liberalmike27   Nov-20-11 01:02 PM   #72 
  - Who cares who says it. It's correct. My God the toadies are out in force today.  FedUp_Queer   Nov-20-11 01:40 PM   #82 
  - Chomsky has been parroting this tired old line for a half century.  jefferson_dem   Nov-20-11 07:58 PM   #126 
  - And yet, 2000 - 2008, and therefor now, would have been much better if a Dem. had been elected  aikoaiko   Nov-20-11 08:51 AM   #13 
  - Yes it matters .. but we can do better than this  Ichingcarpenter   Nov-20-11 09:17 AM   #16 
  - Agreed. We can do better.  aikoaiko   Nov-20-11 09:59 AM   #24 
  - "we can do better than this" LOL! Yeah, in your magical fairy world where politics  KittyWampus   Nov-20-11 05:12 PM   #105 
  - if we settle, we lose. why do we always have to settle? I dream  roguevalley   Nov-20-11 09:26 AM   #19 
  - Why do we settle? Because everyone settles in the end. Some people need to settle a little more.  aikoaiko   Nov-20-11 09:58 AM   #23 
  - There's no rule that says that we have to settle  Lorien   Nov-20-11 12:55 PM   #67 
     - It seems to me that in a democracy every settles at least a little.  aikoaiko   Nov-20-11 03:06 PM   #93 
  - Right -- OWS isn't going to push a vote for "lesser evil" in 2012 ... they're moving to LEFT --  defendandprotect   Nov-20-11 12:31 PM   #58 
  - We had better find a challenger. Many of my Dem friends here in town are talking about  Lorien   Nov-20-11 12:53 PM   #65 
     - Ron Paul has some solid policies that are attractive to some liberals.  Dutchmaster   Nov-20-11 01:06 PM   #75 
     - He's a dinosaur throw back.  Ichingcarpenter   Nov-20-11 01:06 PM   #76 
        - Paul says he say he wants to close US bases all over the world.  Fokker Trip   Nov-20-11 07:57 PM   #125 
  - Agreed. nt  Lorien   Nov-20-11 12:54 PM   #66 
  - i remember 2000  oldhippydude   Nov-20-11 10:33 AM   #28 
  - Kerry vs Bush was 2004, not 2000  Bluenorthwest   Nov-20-11 11:14 AM   #38 
     - WOW! Rag Momma Rag  12AngryBorneoWildmen   Nov-20-11 12:16 PM   #54 
     - yah got me..  oldhippydude   Nov-20-11 03:12 PM   #94 
  - A Dem was elected.  Union Scribe   Nov-20-11 11:47 PM   #152 
  - K and R  bigwillq   Nov-20-11 08:53 AM   #14 
  - As usual, Chomsky is right.  Fantastic Anarchist   Nov-20-11 09:43 AM   #21 
  - while the marketing was good..  oldhippydude   Nov-20-11 10:22 AM   #26 
     - You are absolutely right.  Fantastic Anarchist   Nov-20-11 10:43 AM   #32 
  - Oh, and a hearty kick and rec.  Fantastic Anarchist   Nov-20-11 09:44 AM   #22 
  - Evo Morales was a very poor, Indigenous coca leaf farmer who rose to become...  Peace Patriot   Nov-20-11 10:02 AM   #25 
  - the corruption in those countries runs rampant  bigtree   Nov-20-11 10:35 AM   #29 
  - Corruption by definition is illegal.  FedUp_Queer   Nov-20-11 01:47 PM   #83 
  - The corruption was there long before there were any leftist leaders.  eppur_se_muova   Nov-20-11 01:56 PM   #87 
  - What makes you think that the US political structure is not just as corrupt?  Fokker Trip   Nov-20-11 08:07 PM   #128 
  - Very powerful post and really ought to have it's own thread.  snagglepuss   Nov-20-11 10:36 AM   #30 
  - Thank you.....A MUST READ  Ichingcarpenter   Nov-20-11 10:42 AM   #31 
  - TRANSPARENT VOTE COUNTING is what this site  Ichingcarpenter   Nov-20-11 11:13 AM   #37 
  - Excellent post. (k&r)  CanSocDem   Nov-20-11 11:30 AM   #41 
  - Right on!  Agony   Nov-20-11 11:43 AM   #47 
  - What an excellent and interesting piece  arikara   Nov-20-11 12:49 PM   #63 
  - Your response needs to be  arikara   Nov-20-11 01:01 PM   #71 
  - Whoops  arikara   Nov-20-11 01:03 PM   #73 
  - Excellent excellent post!  Desertrose   Nov-20-11 01:07 PM   #77 
  - Wonderful post!  Enthusiast   Nov-20-11 04:33 PM   #99 
  - Viva Democracy!!!  bvar22   Nov-20-11 09:57 PM   #146 
  - ""Not a dime's worth of difference" isn't a precisely correct critique...  Orsino   Nov-20-11 10:25 AM   #27 
  - I wasn't. nt  LWolf   Nov-20-11 10:45 AM   #33 
  - For being here so long like you  Ichingcarpenter   Nov-20-11 11:06 AM   #34 
     - I was not surprised  LWolf   Nov-20-11 12:26 PM   #56 
        - Brother in Arms  Ichingcarpenter   Nov-20-11 01:11 PM   #78 
        - You're welcome, and I hope so. nt  LWolf   Nov-20-11 01:49 PM   #84 
        - "I was a pariah for pointing this out."  Enthusiast   Nov-20-11 04:57 PM   #103 
        - Anyone who didn't see Obama's post-ideological dogmatism by 2008...  jefferson_dem   Nov-20-11 08:20 PM   #132 
           - For the last time, there is no such thing as "post-ideological" or "post-partisan"  Maven   Nov-21-11 02:09 AM   #159 
        - Great post LWolf. You took the words right out of my mind.  Fokker Trip   Nov-20-11 09:03 PM   #139 
  - REC  L. Coyote   Nov-20-11 11:10 AM   #35 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-20-11 11:15 AM   #39 
     - good one  L. Coyote   Nov-20-11 11:31 AM   #42 
        - Any way.... we've seen over the years.....  Ichingcarpenter   Nov-20-11 11:44 AM   #48 
  - We had hope! Don't forget a majority of Americans want and voted  Alameda   Nov-20-11 11:24 AM   #40 
  - Yes, the campaign clearly knew what voters wanted all right.  Ghost Dog   Nov-20-11 01:01 PM   #69 
  - K and R nt  femrap   Nov-20-11 11:31 AM   #43 
  - K & R !!!  WillyT   Nov-20-11 11:36 AM   #44 
  - kick  piratefish08   Nov-20-11 11:37 AM   #45 
  - It's pretty hard to honestly disagree with that. nt  Zorra   Nov-20-11 11:55 AM   #50 
  - I can't wait for the first primary.  MilesColtrane   Nov-20-11 11:58 AM   #51 
  - In Soviet Union we all have democratic primaries.  Ichingcarpenter   Nov-20-11 12:06 PM   #52 
  - If Obama is unopposed, that won't mean we're all down with him  Ken Burch   Nov-20-11 04:35 PM   #100 
     - Re: Progressives giving up  MilesColtrane   Nov-20-11 08:26 PM   #136 
        - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Nov-20-11 10:23 PM   #149 
  - K&R (n/t)  a2liberal   Nov-20-11 12:18 PM   #55 
  - When an election costs a billion bucks, what do you expect?  Gregorian   Nov-20-11 12:30 PM   #57 
  - Exactly! Bash the system, not Obama...unless you want a fascist  SunSeeker   Nov-21-11 12:53 AM   #156 
  - knr  Douglas Carpenter   Nov-20-11 12:32 PM   #59 
  - Hard to figure this ...  defendandprotect   Nov-20-11 12:48 PM   #62 
  - I like rational discussions with a touch of  Ichingcarpenter   Nov-20-11 01:04 PM   #74 
     - That doesn't quite explain your declaration you will vote for "lesser evil" ...  defendandprotect   Nov-20-11 01:51 PM   #85 
  - Hey now, hey now .......we won't let them win  Ichingcarpenter   Nov-20-11 01:01 PM   #70 
  - "get to know the feeling of liberation and release" - perfect!  evrstrong   Nov-20-11 07:27 PM   #122 
  - k/r  fishwax   Nov-20-11 01:16 PM   #79 
  - Nihilist.  Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin   Nov-20-11 01:52 PM   #86 
  - To elaborate on this  Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin   Nov-20-11 01:58 PM   #88 
  - K&R  DeSwiss   Nov-20-11 02:28 PM   #91 
  - K&R. nt  OnyxCollie   Nov-20-11 02:35 PM   #92 
  - Kicked and recommended! nt  Enthusiast   Nov-20-11 04:11 PM   #95 
  - Chomsky is such a fucking hypocrite. I got to the part about attending "elite universities"  Azathoth   Nov-20-11 04:43 PM   #101 
  - Thank You for that. The irony escapes Chomsky's acolytes.  KittyWampus   Nov-20-11 05:13 PM   #106 
  - You missed Chomsky's point. Obama's statement was false. Chomsky points it out.  yardwork   Nov-20-11 05:31 PM   #110 
  - Chomsky's statement about the universities was false.  pnwmom   Nov-20-11 07:12 PM   #120 
     - Off the top of my head  MFrohike   Nov-21-11 01:54 AM   #158 
  - +a million. This entire thread and the jaw dropping ignorance within is simply astounding.  Number23   Nov-20-11 05:34 PM   #111 
  - I see what you're saying, but  onpatrol98   Nov-20-11 05:39 PM   #112 
  - Chomsky was referring to Bush versus Kerry.  ChadwickHenryWard   Nov-20-11 06:36 PM   #115 
  - Do you really think that there is a difference? nt.  Fokker Trip   Nov-20-11 07:47 PM   #123 
     - No, I think it's the same shit shuffled around every four years.  ChadwickHenryWard   Nov-21-11 01:11 PM   #167 
  - Such contortions.  Fokker Trip   Nov-20-11 09:53 PM   #145 
  - It's what you do with that education that counts. Sure, Obama is a lesser evil, but Chomsky is  leveymg   Nov-21-11 05:16 AM   #161 
  - Um, Obama is not from the ruling class.  mahina   Nov-20-11 05:08 PM   #104 
  - Chomsky: ""He grew up in a privileged way..."  jefferson_dem   Nov-20-11 08:22 PM   #133 
     - He did go to a great school. I sent my kid there too, and we aren't rich by any perverse stretch.  mahina   Nov-20-11 09:48 PM   #144 
  - K&R. The myth of American exceptionalism is killing us.  yardwork   Nov-20-11 05:29 PM   #109 
  - Amen. Amen. Amen.  davidwparker   Nov-20-11 05:39 PM   #113 
  - Of course you won't vote for the Democrat.  jefferson_dem   Nov-20-11 08:24 PM   #134 
  - But if you listen to Chomsky carefully you realize that he would vote for Obama too ...  jimlup   Nov-20-11 06:44 PM   #116 
  - k&r! nt  wildbilln864   Nov-20-11 06:52 PM   #118 
  - Nixon went to Whittier. Carter went to Georgia Tech.  pnwmom   Nov-20-11 07:09 PM   #119 
  - Meh.  jefferson_dem   Nov-20-11 07:56 PM   #124 
  - Deep understanding of American politics? Cynical linguist?  Fokker Trip   Nov-20-11 08:27 PM   #137 
     - I didn't stutter.  jefferson_dem   Nov-20-11 08:36 PM   #138 
        - Stutter? Lost me there.  Fokker Trip   Nov-20-11 09:41 PM   #143 
  - So choosing miniFascism over super Fascism isn't still choosing Fascism?  MNBrewer   Nov-20-11 08:02 PM   #127 
  - Sounds exactly like the "both parties are the same" brigade here (nt)  Nye Bevan   Nov-20-11 08:11 PM   #130 
  - And equally as clueless.  jefferson_dem   Nov-20-11 08:12 PM   #131 
     - "And equally as clueless."  unkachuck   Nov-20-11 08:25 PM   #135 
  - He's always so spot on. nt  gateley   Nov-20-11 09:21 PM   #140 
  - K & R  L0oniX   Nov-20-11 09:26 PM   #141 
  - Not me! I only voted for Obama because the alternative was totally unacceptable.  RoccoR5955   Nov-20-11 09:37 PM   #142 
  - REC. thanks for posting this. nt  bertman   Nov-20-11 10:19 PM   #147 
  - I Was Listening to Nader Speak  dash_bannon   Nov-20-11 10:23 PM   #148 
  - In my case, you're preaching to the choir.  Beacool   Nov-20-11 10:27 PM   #150 
  - You sure you're part of the choir? Chomsky's "logic" applies even more to the Clintons n/t  Azathoth   Nov-20-11 11:05 PM   #151 
  - I hate Noam Chomsky  Pryderi   Nov-21-11 12:33 AM   #155 
  - K & R  dipsydoodle   Nov-21-11 04:05 AM   #160 
  - He and a number of others also said it BEFORE the election  Doctor_J   Nov-21-11 05:57 AM   #163 
 

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