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freedom within and freedom with out.
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| -I was taken aback when Chomsky said this right after the election |
Ichingcarpenter |
Nov-20-11 07:36 AM |
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recommend |
xchrom |
Nov-20-11 07:41 AM |
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kick n/t |
Crop Circle |
Nov-20-11 07:41 AM |
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Yep. n/t |
Smarmie Doofus |
Nov-20-11 07:48 AM |
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K&R |
Fumesucker |
Nov-20-11 07:51 AM |
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K&R |
hulka38 |
Nov-20-11 07:54 AM |
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Thanks. nt |
BlueIris |
Nov-20-11 07:56 AM |
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K&R |
PETRUS |
Nov-20-11 07:57 AM |
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Lula - Brazil's Lula da Silva shaves beard in cancer battle |
geckosfeet |
Nov-20-11 08:10 AM |
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brazil? |
bigtree |
Nov-20-11 08:18 AM |
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Yes, Obama was a 'community organizer' in Chicago |
Ichingcarpenter |
Nov-20-11 08:33 AM |
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entirely different countries |
bigtree |
Nov-20-11 09:26 AM |
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Nov-20-11 12:55 PM |
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How about you throw that red herring back...not edible. |
FedUp_Queer |
Nov-20-11 01:33 PM |
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American Exceptionalism is BUNK |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-20-11 11:50 PM |
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Ah! |
Shining Jack |
Nov-21-11 05:51 AM |
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LOL! You get the point, but then you don't. That's great stuff. |
Pacifist Patriot |
Nov-21-11 06:20 AM |
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I have found myself wondering how true this claim by Obama is. |
haikugal |
Nov-20-11 04:27 PM |
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I accept every word you say |
truedelphi |
Nov-20-11 04:52 PM |
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actually, you miss the biggest point. other places elect actual |
roguevalley |
Nov-20-11 09:25 AM |
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Brazil isn't like America |
bigtree |
Nov-20-11 09:38 AM |
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VIVA Democracy!!! |
bvar22 |
Nov-20-11 11:42 AM |
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Right on, bvar22 ! Right on, right on, right on! |
Enthusiast |
Nov-20-11 04:16 PM |
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Oh dear God... |
Number23 |
Nov-20-11 05:27 PM |
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A joke, right? |
jefferson_dem |
Nov-20-11 08:08 PM |
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Deleted message |
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Nov-20-11 11:50 AM |
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PLUS ONE! |
Enthusiast |
Nov-20-11 04:18 PM |
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Yes. |
sendero |
Nov-20-11 02:07 PM |
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Which of these is not like the other |
ashling |
Nov-20-11 02:13 PM |
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That's another difference, the corrupt are held accountable |
sabrina 1 |
Nov-20-11 06:47 PM |
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+1000! |
Shining Jack |
Nov-21-11 05:58 AM |
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Whether it's not like America or not is irrelevant to the point. |
caseymoz |
Nov-21-11 01:09 AM |
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Lula is a male, kid. Not 'her background' his background... |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-20-11 11:10 AM |
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Man, you're still the same. |
12AngryBorneoWildmen |
Nov-20-11 12:06 PM |
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The large size of the picture doesn't change the fact that Bluenorthwest |
suffragette |
Nov-20-11 12:39 PM |
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In fairness... |
FedUp_Queer |
Nov-20-11 01:37 PM |
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That is really coincidental. |
dotymed |
Nov-20-11 05:24 PM |
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And Teddy Kennedy died ot it last year, and three of the most liberal |
loudsue |
Nov-20-11 05:43 PM |
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Community organizer indeed. Veeery good for the resume, |
Fokker Trip |
Nov-20-11 07:18 PM |
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Fail. |
EFerrari |
Nov-20-11 11:49 PM |
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Corporate controlled Empire in which we live does not allow for peasants |
sarcasmo |
Nov-20-11 08:30 AM |
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They are there but are marginalized at every step unless |
Ichingcarpenter |
Nov-20-11 09:06 AM |
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OWS's message is that BOTH parties are finished --- |
defendandprotect |
Nov-20-11 12:36 PM |
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I wholeheartedly agree with you. |
dotymed |
Nov-21-11 12:18 PM |
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Sorry Noam, |
Itchinjim |
Nov-20-11 08:45 AM |
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And no less than Gore Vidal was talking about it in the 80's.... |
bengalherder |
Nov-20-11 12:50 PM |
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The First Step |
liberalmike27 |
Nov-20-11 01:02 PM |
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Who cares who says it. It's correct. My God the toadies are out in force today. |
FedUp_Queer |
Nov-20-11 01:40 PM |
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Chomsky has been parroting this tired old line for a half century. |
jefferson_dem |
Nov-20-11 07:58 PM |
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And yet, 2000 - 2008, and therefor now, would have been much better if a Dem. had been elected |
aikoaiko |
Nov-20-11 08:51 AM |
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Yes it matters .. but we can do better than this |
Ichingcarpenter |
Nov-20-11 09:17 AM |
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Agreed. We can do better. |
aikoaiko |
Nov-20-11 09:59 AM |
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"we can do better than this" LOL! Yeah, in your magical fairy world where politics |
KittyWampus |
Nov-20-11 05:12 PM |
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if we settle, we lose. why do we always have to settle? I dream |
roguevalley |
Nov-20-11 09:26 AM |
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Why do we settle? Because everyone settles in the end. Some people need to settle a little more. |
aikoaiko |
Nov-20-11 09:58 AM |
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There's no rule that says that we have to settle |
Lorien |
Nov-20-11 12:55 PM |
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It seems to me that in a democracy every settles at least a little. |
aikoaiko |
Nov-20-11 03:06 PM |
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Right -- OWS isn't going to push a vote for "lesser evil" in 2012 ... they're moving to LEFT -- |
defendandprotect |
Nov-20-11 12:31 PM |
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We had better find a challenger. Many of my Dem friends here in town are talking about |
Lorien |
Nov-20-11 12:53 PM |
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Ron Paul has some solid policies that are attractive to some liberals. |
Dutchmaster |
Nov-20-11 01:06 PM |
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He's a dinosaur throw back. |
Ichingcarpenter |
Nov-20-11 01:06 PM |
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Paul says he say he wants to close US bases all over the world. |
Fokker Trip |
Nov-20-11 07:57 PM |
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Agreed. nt |
Lorien |
Nov-20-11 12:54 PM |
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i remember 2000 |
oldhippydude |
Nov-20-11 10:33 AM |
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Kerry vs Bush was 2004, not 2000 |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-20-11 11:14 AM |
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WOW! Rag Momma Rag |
12AngryBorneoWildmen |
Nov-20-11 12:16 PM |
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yah got me.. |
oldhippydude |
Nov-20-11 03:12 PM |
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A Dem was elected. |
Union Scribe |
Nov-20-11 11:47 PM |
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K and R |
bigwillq |
Nov-20-11 08:53 AM |
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As usual, Chomsky is right. |
Fantastic Anarchist |
Nov-20-11 09:43 AM |
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while the marketing was good.. |
oldhippydude |
Nov-20-11 10:22 AM |
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You are absolutely right. |
Fantastic Anarchist |
Nov-20-11 10:43 AM |
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Oh, and a hearty kick and rec. |
Fantastic Anarchist |
Nov-20-11 09:44 AM |
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Evo Morales was a very poor, Indigenous coca leaf farmer who rose to become... |
Peace Patriot |
Nov-20-11 10:02 AM |
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the corruption in those countries runs rampant |
bigtree |
Nov-20-11 10:35 AM |
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Corruption by definition is illegal. |
FedUp_Queer |
Nov-20-11 01:47 PM |
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The corruption was there long before there were any leftist leaders. |
eppur_se_muova |
Nov-20-11 01:56 PM |
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What makes you think that the US political structure is not just as corrupt? |
Fokker Trip |
Nov-20-11 08:07 PM |
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Very powerful post and really ought to have it's own thread. |
snagglepuss |
Nov-20-11 10:36 AM |
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Thank you.....A MUST READ |
Ichingcarpenter |
Nov-20-11 10:42 AM |
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TRANSPARENT VOTE COUNTING is what this site |
Ichingcarpenter |
Nov-20-11 11:13 AM |
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Excellent post. (k&r) |
CanSocDem |
Nov-20-11 11:30 AM |
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Right on! |
Agony |
Nov-20-11 11:43 AM |
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What an excellent and interesting piece |
arikara |
Nov-20-11 12:49 PM |
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Your response needs to be |
arikara |
Nov-20-11 01:01 PM |
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Whoops |
arikara |
Nov-20-11 01:03 PM |
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Excellent excellent post! |
Desertrose |
Nov-20-11 01:07 PM |
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Wonderful post! |
Enthusiast |
Nov-20-11 04:33 PM |
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Viva Democracy!!! |
bvar22 |
Nov-20-11 09:57 PM |
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""Not a dime's worth of difference" isn't a precisely correct critique... |
Orsino |
Nov-20-11 10:25 AM |
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I wasn't. nt |
LWolf |
Nov-20-11 10:45 AM |
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For being here so long like you |
Ichingcarpenter |
Nov-20-11 11:06 AM |
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I was not surprised |
LWolf |
Nov-20-11 12:26 PM |
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Brother in Arms |
Ichingcarpenter |
Nov-20-11 01:11 PM |
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You're welcome, and I hope so. nt |
LWolf |
Nov-20-11 01:49 PM |
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"I was a pariah for pointing this out." |
Enthusiast |
Nov-20-11 04:57 PM |
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Anyone who didn't see Obama's post-ideological dogmatism by 2008... |
jefferson_dem |
Nov-20-11 08:20 PM |
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For the last time, there is no such thing as "post-ideological" or "post-partisan" |
Maven |
Nov-21-11 02:09 AM |
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Great post LWolf. You took the words right out of my mind. |
Fokker Trip |
Nov-20-11 09:03 PM |
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REC |
L. Coyote |
Nov-20-11 11:10 AM |
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Nov-20-11 11:15 AM |
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good one |
L. Coyote |
Nov-20-11 11:31 AM |
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Any way.... we've seen over the years..... |
Ichingcarpenter |
Nov-20-11 11:44 AM |
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We had hope! Don't forget a majority of Americans want and voted |
Alameda |
Nov-20-11 11:24 AM |
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Yes, the campaign clearly knew what voters wanted all right. |
Ghost Dog |
Nov-20-11 01:01 PM |
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K and R nt |
femrap |
Nov-20-11 11:31 AM |
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K & R !!! |
WillyT |
Nov-20-11 11:36 AM |
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kick |
piratefish08 |
Nov-20-11 11:37 AM |
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It's pretty hard to honestly disagree with that. nt |
Zorra |
Nov-20-11 11:55 AM |
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I can't wait for the first primary. |
MilesColtrane |
Nov-20-11 11:58 AM |
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In Soviet Union we all have democratic primaries. |
Ichingcarpenter |
Nov-20-11 12:06 PM |
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If Obama is unopposed, that won't mean we're all down with him |
Ken Burch |
Nov-20-11 04:35 PM |
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Re: Progressives giving up |
MilesColtrane |
Nov-20-11 08:26 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Nov-20-11 10:23 PM |
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K&R (n/t) |
a2liberal |
Nov-20-11 12:18 PM |
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When an election costs a billion bucks, what do you expect? |
Gregorian |
Nov-20-11 12:30 PM |
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Exactly! Bash the system, not Obama...unless you want a fascist |
SunSeeker |
Nov-21-11 12:53 AM |
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knr |
Douglas Carpenter |
Nov-20-11 12:32 PM |
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Hard to figure this ... |
defendandprotect |
Nov-20-11 12:48 PM |
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I like rational discussions with a touch of |
Ichingcarpenter |
Nov-20-11 01:04 PM |
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That doesn't quite explain your declaration you will vote for "lesser evil" ... |
defendandprotect |
Nov-20-11 01:51 PM |
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Hey now, hey now .......we won't let them win |
Ichingcarpenter |
Nov-20-11 01:01 PM |
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"get to know the feeling of liberation and release" - perfect! |
evrstrong |
Nov-20-11 07:27 PM |
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k/r |
fishwax |
Nov-20-11 01:16 PM |
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Nihilist. |
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin |
Nov-20-11 01:52 PM |
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To elaborate on this |
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin |
Nov-20-11 01:58 PM |
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K&R |
DeSwiss |
Nov-20-11 02:28 PM |
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K&R. nt |
OnyxCollie |
Nov-20-11 02:35 PM |
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Kicked and recommended! nt |
Enthusiast |
Nov-20-11 04:11 PM |
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Chomsky is such a fucking hypocrite. I got to the part about attending "elite universities" |
Azathoth |
Nov-20-11 04:43 PM |
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Thank You for that. The irony escapes Chomsky's acolytes. |
KittyWampus |
Nov-20-11 05:13 PM |
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You missed Chomsky's point. Obama's statement was false. Chomsky points it out. |
yardwork |
Nov-20-11 05:31 PM |
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Chomsky's statement about the universities was false. |
pnwmom |
Nov-20-11 07:12 PM |
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Off the top of my head |
MFrohike |
Nov-21-11 01:54 AM |
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+a million. This entire thread and the jaw dropping ignorance within is simply astounding. |
Number23 |
Nov-20-11 05:34 PM |
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I see what you're saying, but |
onpatrol98 |
Nov-20-11 05:39 PM |
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Chomsky was referring to Bush versus Kerry. |
ChadwickHenryWard |
Nov-20-11 06:36 PM |
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Do you really think that there is a difference? nt. |
Fokker Trip |
Nov-20-11 07:47 PM |
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No, I think it's the same shit shuffled around every four years. |
ChadwickHenryWard |
Nov-21-11 01:11 PM |
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Such contortions. |
Fokker Trip |
Nov-20-11 09:53 PM |
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It's what you do with that education that counts. Sure, Obama is a lesser evil, but Chomsky is |
leveymg |
Nov-21-11 05:16 AM |
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Um, Obama is not from the ruling class. |
mahina |
Nov-20-11 05:08 PM |
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Chomsky: ""He grew up in a privileged way..." |
jefferson_dem |
Nov-20-11 08:22 PM |
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He did go to a great school. I sent my kid there too, and we aren't rich by any perverse stretch. |
mahina |
Nov-20-11 09:48 PM |
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K&R. The myth of American exceptionalism is killing us. |
yardwork |
Nov-20-11 05:29 PM |
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Amen. Amen. Amen. |
davidwparker |
Nov-20-11 05:39 PM |
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Of course you won't vote for the Democrat. |
jefferson_dem |
Nov-20-11 08:24 PM |
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But if you listen to Chomsky carefully you realize that he would vote for Obama too ... |
jimlup |
Nov-20-11 06:44 PM |
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k&r! nt |
wildbilln864 |
Nov-20-11 06:52 PM |
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Nixon went to Whittier. Carter went to Georgia Tech. |
pnwmom |
Nov-20-11 07:09 PM |
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Meh. |
jefferson_dem |
Nov-20-11 07:56 PM |
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Deep understanding of American politics? Cynical linguist? |
Fokker Trip |
Nov-20-11 08:27 PM |
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I didn't stutter. |
jefferson_dem |
Nov-20-11 08:36 PM |
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Stutter? Lost me there. |
Fokker Trip |
Nov-20-11 09:41 PM |
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So choosing miniFascism over super Fascism isn't still choosing Fascism? |
MNBrewer |
Nov-20-11 08:02 PM |
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Sounds exactly like the "both parties are the same" brigade here (nt) |
Nye Bevan |
Nov-20-11 08:11 PM |
#130 |
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And equally as clueless. |
jefferson_dem |
Nov-20-11 08:12 PM |
#131 |
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"And equally as clueless." |
unkachuck |
Nov-20-11 08:25 PM |
#135 |
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He's always so spot on. nt |
gateley |
Nov-20-11 09:21 PM |
#140 |
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K & R |
L0oniX |
Nov-20-11 09:26 PM |
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Not me! I only voted for Obama because the alternative was totally unacceptable. |
RoccoR5955 |
Nov-20-11 09:37 PM |
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REC. thanks for posting this. nt |
bertman |
Nov-20-11 10:19 PM |
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I Was Listening to Nader Speak |
dash_bannon |
Nov-20-11 10:23 PM |
#148 |
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In my case, you're preaching to the choir. |
Beacool |
Nov-20-11 10:27 PM |
#150 |
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You sure you're part of the choir? Chomsky's "logic" applies even more to the Clintons n/t |
Azathoth |
Nov-20-11 11:05 PM |
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I hate Noam Chomsky |
Pryderi |
Nov-21-11 12:33 AM |
#155 |
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K & R |
dipsydoodle |
Nov-21-11 04:05 AM |
#160 |
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He and a number of others also said it BEFORE the election |
Doctor_J |
Nov-21-11 05:57 AM |
#163 |
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