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____ what makes him believe brazil's new populist's idealistic ambitions will fare any better against their establishment's than our former community organizer president's? What makes her background any more appealing than Obama's?
Seriously, the only thing that makes brazil's new president popular right now is she's just begun to confront brazil's entrenched and corrupt political system. The comparison with our Democratic American president is disingenuous at best.
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| -I was taken aback when Chomsky said this right after the election |
Ichingcarpenter |
Nov-20-11 07:36 AM |
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recommend |
xchrom |
Nov-20-11 07:41 AM |
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kick n/t |
Crop Circle |
Nov-20-11 07:41 AM |
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Yep. n/t |
Smarmie Doofus |
Nov-20-11 07:48 AM |
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K&R |
Fumesucker |
Nov-20-11 07:51 AM |
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K&R |
hulka38 |
Nov-20-11 07:54 AM |
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Thanks. nt |
BlueIris |
Nov-20-11 07:56 AM |
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K&R |
PETRUS |
Nov-20-11 07:57 AM |
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Lula - Brazil's Lula da Silva shaves beard in cancer battle |
geckosfeet |
Nov-20-11 08:10 AM |
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brazil? |
bigtree |
Nov-20-11 08:18 AM |
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Yes, Obama was a 'community organizer' in Chicago |
Ichingcarpenter |
Nov-20-11 08:33 AM |
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entirely different countries |
bigtree |
Nov-20-11 09:26 AM |
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Nov-20-11 12:55 PM |
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How about you throw that red herring back...not edible. |
FedUp_Queer |
Nov-20-11 01:33 PM |
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American Exceptionalism is BUNK |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-20-11 11:50 PM |
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Ah! |
Shining Jack |
Nov-21-11 05:51 AM |
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LOL! You get the point, but then you don't. That's great stuff. |
Pacifist Patriot |
Nov-21-11 06:20 AM |
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I have found myself wondering how true this claim by Obama is. |
haikugal |
Nov-20-11 04:27 PM |
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I accept every word you say |
truedelphi |
Nov-20-11 04:52 PM |
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actually, you miss the biggest point. other places elect actual |
roguevalley |
Nov-20-11 09:25 AM |
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Brazil isn't like America |
bigtree |
Nov-20-11 09:38 AM |
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VIVA Democracy!!! |
bvar22 |
Nov-20-11 11:42 AM |
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Right on, bvar22 ! Right on, right on, right on! |
Enthusiast |
Nov-20-11 04:16 PM |
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Oh dear God... |
Number23 |
Nov-20-11 05:27 PM |
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A joke, right? |
jefferson_dem |
Nov-20-11 08:08 PM |
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Deleted message |
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Nov-20-11 11:50 AM |
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PLUS ONE! |
Enthusiast |
Nov-20-11 04:18 PM |
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Yes. |
sendero |
Nov-20-11 02:07 PM |
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Which of these is not like the other |
ashling |
Nov-20-11 02:13 PM |
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That's another difference, the corrupt are held accountable |
sabrina 1 |
Nov-20-11 06:47 PM |
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+1000! |
Shining Jack |
Nov-21-11 05:58 AM |
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Whether it's not like America or not is irrelevant to the point. |
caseymoz |
Nov-21-11 01:09 AM |
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Lula is a male, kid. Not 'her background' his background... |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-20-11 11:10 AM |
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Man, you're still the same. |
12AngryBorneoWildmen |
Nov-20-11 12:06 PM |
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The large size of the picture doesn't change the fact that Bluenorthwest |
suffragette |
Nov-20-11 12:39 PM |
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In fairness... |
FedUp_Queer |
Nov-20-11 01:37 PM |
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That is really coincidental. |
dotymed |
Nov-20-11 05:24 PM |
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And Teddy Kennedy died ot it last year, and three of the most liberal |
loudsue |
Nov-20-11 05:43 PM |
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Community organizer indeed. Veeery good for the resume, |
Fokker Trip |
Nov-20-11 07:18 PM |
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Fail. |
EFerrari |
Nov-20-11 11:49 PM |
#153 |
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Corporate controlled Empire in which we live does not allow for peasants |
sarcasmo |
Nov-20-11 08:30 AM |
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They are there but are marginalized at every step unless |
Ichingcarpenter |
Nov-20-11 09:06 AM |
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OWS's message is that BOTH parties are finished --- |
defendandprotect |
Nov-20-11 12:36 PM |
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I wholeheartedly agree with you. |
dotymed |
Nov-21-11 12:18 PM |
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Sorry Noam, |
Itchinjim |
Nov-20-11 08:45 AM |
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And no less than Gore Vidal was talking about it in the 80's.... |
bengalherder |
Nov-20-11 12:50 PM |
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The First Step |
liberalmike27 |
Nov-20-11 01:02 PM |
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Who cares who says it. It's correct. My God the toadies are out in force today. |
FedUp_Queer |
Nov-20-11 01:40 PM |
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Chomsky has been parroting this tired old line for a half century. |
jefferson_dem |
Nov-20-11 07:58 PM |
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And yet, 2000 - 2008, and therefor now, would have been much better if a Dem. had been elected |
aikoaiko |
Nov-20-11 08:51 AM |
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Yes it matters .. but we can do better than this |
Ichingcarpenter |
Nov-20-11 09:17 AM |
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Agreed. We can do better. |
aikoaiko |
Nov-20-11 09:59 AM |
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"we can do better than this" LOL! Yeah, in your magical fairy world where politics |
KittyWampus |
Nov-20-11 05:12 PM |
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if we settle, we lose. why do we always have to settle? I dream |
roguevalley |
Nov-20-11 09:26 AM |
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Why do we settle? Because everyone settles in the end. Some people need to settle a little more. |
aikoaiko |
Nov-20-11 09:58 AM |
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There's no rule that says that we have to settle |
Lorien |
Nov-20-11 12:55 PM |
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It seems to me that in a democracy every settles at least a little. |
aikoaiko |
Nov-20-11 03:06 PM |
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Right -- OWS isn't going to push a vote for "lesser evil" in 2012 ... they're moving to LEFT -- |
defendandprotect |
Nov-20-11 12:31 PM |
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We had better find a challenger. Many of my Dem friends here in town are talking about |
Lorien |
Nov-20-11 12:53 PM |
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Ron Paul has some solid policies that are attractive to some liberals. |
Dutchmaster |
Nov-20-11 01:06 PM |
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He's a dinosaur throw back. |
Ichingcarpenter |
Nov-20-11 01:06 PM |
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Paul says he say he wants to close US bases all over the world. |
Fokker Trip |
Nov-20-11 07:57 PM |
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Agreed. nt |
Lorien |
Nov-20-11 12:54 PM |
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i remember 2000 |
oldhippydude |
Nov-20-11 10:33 AM |
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Kerry vs Bush was 2004, not 2000 |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-20-11 11:14 AM |
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WOW! Rag Momma Rag |
12AngryBorneoWildmen |
Nov-20-11 12:16 PM |
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yah got me.. |
oldhippydude |
Nov-20-11 03:12 PM |
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A Dem was elected. |
Union Scribe |
Nov-20-11 11:47 PM |
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K and R |
bigwillq |
Nov-20-11 08:53 AM |
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As usual, Chomsky is right. |
Fantastic Anarchist |
Nov-20-11 09:43 AM |
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while the marketing was good.. |
oldhippydude |
Nov-20-11 10:22 AM |
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You are absolutely right. |
Fantastic Anarchist |
Nov-20-11 10:43 AM |
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Oh, and a hearty kick and rec. |
Fantastic Anarchist |
Nov-20-11 09:44 AM |
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Evo Morales was a very poor, Indigenous coca leaf farmer who rose to become... |
Peace Patriot |
Nov-20-11 10:02 AM |
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the corruption in those countries runs rampant |
bigtree |
Nov-20-11 10:35 AM |
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Corruption by definition is illegal. |
FedUp_Queer |
Nov-20-11 01:47 PM |
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The corruption was there long before there were any leftist leaders. |
eppur_se_muova |
Nov-20-11 01:56 PM |
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What makes you think that the US political structure is not just as corrupt? |
Fokker Trip |
Nov-20-11 08:07 PM |
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Very powerful post and really ought to have it's own thread. |
snagglepuss |
Nov-20-11 10:36 AM |
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Thank you.....A MUST READ |
Ichingcarpenter |
Nov-20-11 10:42 AM |
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TRANSPARENT VOTE COUNTING is what this site |
Ichingcarpenter |
Nov-20-11 11:13 AM |
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Excellent post. (k&r) |
CanSocDem |
Nov-20-11 11:30 AM |
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Right on! |
Agony |
Nov-20-11 11:43 AM |
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What an excellent and interesting piece |
arikara |
Nov-20-11 12:49 PM |
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Your response needs to be |
arikara |
Nov-20-11 01:01 PM |
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Whoops |
arikara |
Nov-20-11 01:03 PM |
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Excellent excellent post! |
Desertrose |
Nov-20-11 01:07 PM |
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Wonderful post! |
Enthusiast |
Nov-20-11 04:33 PM |
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Viva Democracy!!! |
bvar22 |
Nov-20-11 09:57 PM |
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""Not a dime's worth of difference" isn't a precisely correct critique... |
Orsino |
Nov-20-11 10:25 AM |
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I wasn't. nt |
LWolf |
Nov-20-11 10:45 AM |
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For being here so long like you |
Ichingcarpenter |
Nov-20-11 11:06 AM |
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I was not surprised |
LWolf |
Nov-20-11 12:26 PM |
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Brother in Arms |
Ichingcarpenter |
Nov-20-11 01:11 PM |
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You're welcome, and I hope so. nt |
LWolf |
Nov-20-11 01:49 PM |
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"I was a pariah for pointing this out." |
Enthusiast |
Nov-20-11 04:57 PM |
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Anyone who didn't see Obama's post-ideological dogmatism by 2008... |
jefferson_dem |
Nov-20-11 08:20 PM |
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For the last time, there is no such thing as "post-ideological" or "post-partisan" |
Maven |
Nov-21-11 02:09 AM |
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Great post LWolf. You took the words right out of my mind. |
Fokker Trip |
Nov-20-11 09:03 PM |
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REC |
L. Coyote |
Nov-20-11 11:10 AM |
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Nov-20-11 11:15 AM |
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good one |
L. Coyote |
Nov-20-11 11:31 AM |
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Any way.... we've seen over the years..... |
Ichingcarpenter |
Nov-20-11 11:44 AM |
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We had hope! Don't forget a majority of Americans want and voted |
Alameda |
Nov-20-11 11:24 AM |
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Yes, the campaign clearly knew what voters wanted all right. |
Ghost Dog |
Nov-20-11 01:01 PM |
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K and R nt |
femrap |
Nov-20-11 11:31 AM |
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K & R !!! |
WillyT |
Nov-20-11 11:36 AM |
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kick |
piratefish08 |
Nov-20-11 11:37 AM |
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It's pretty hard to honestly disagree with that. nt |
Zorra |
Nov-20-11 11:55 AM |
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I can't wait for the first primary. |
MilesColtrane |
Nov-20-11 11:58 AM |
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In Soviet Union we all have democratic primaries. |
Ichingcarpenter |
Nov-20-11 12:06 PM |
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If Obama is unopposed, that won't mean we're all down with him |
Ken Burch |
Nov-20-11 04:35 PM |
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Re: Progressives giving up |
MilesColtrane |
Nov-20-11 08:26 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Nov-20-11 10:23 PM |
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K&R (n/t) |
a2liberal |
Nov-20-11 12:18 PM |
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When an election costs a billion bucks, what do you expect? |
Gregorian |
Nov-20-11 12:30 PM |
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Exactly! Bash the system, not Obama...unless you want a fascist |
SunSeeker |
Nov-21-11 12:53 AM |
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knr |
Douglas Carpenter |
Nov-20-11 12:32 PM |
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Hard to figure this ... |
defendandprotect |
Nov-20-11 12:48 PM |
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I like rational discussions with a touch of |
Ichingcarpenter |
Nov-20-11 01:04 PM |
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That doesn't quite explain your declaration you will vote for "lesser evil" ... |
defendandprotect |
Nov-20-11 01:51 PM |
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Hey now, hey now .......we won't let them win |
Ichingcarpenter |
Nov-20-11 01:01 PM |
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"get to know the feeling of liberation and release" - perfect! |
evrstrong |
Nov-20-11 07:27 PM |
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k/r |
fishwax |
Nov-20-11 01:16 PM |
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Nihilist. |
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin |
Nov-20-11 01:52 PM |
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To elaborate on this |
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin |
Nov-20-11 01:58 PM |
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K&R |
DeSwiss |
Nov-20-11 02:28 PM |
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K&R. nt |
OnyxCollie |
Nov-20-11 02:35 PM |
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Kicked and recommended! nt |
Enthusiast |
Nov-20-11 04:11 PM |
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Chomsky is such a fucking hypocrite. I got to the part about attending "elite universities" |
Azathoth |
Nov-20-11 04:43 PM |
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Thank You for that. The irony escapes Chomsky's acolytes. |
KittyWampus |
Nov-20-11 05:13 PM |
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You missed Chomsky's point. Obama's statement was false. Chomsky points it out. |
yardwork |
Nov-20-11 05:31 PM |
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Chomsky's statement about the universities was false. |
pnwmom |
Nov-20-11 07:12 PM |
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Off the top of my head |
MFrohike |
Nov-21-11 01:54 AM |
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+a million. This entire thread and the jaw dropping ignorance within is simply astounding. |
Number23 |
Nov-20-11 05:34 PM |
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I see what you're saying, but |
onpatrol98 |
Nov-20-11 05:39 PM |
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Chomsky was referring to Bush versus Kerry. |
ChadwickHenryWard |
Nov-20-11 06:36 PM |
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Do you really think that there is a difference? nt. |
Fokker Trip |
Nov-20-11 07:47 PM |
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No, I think it's the same shit shuffled around every four years. |
ChadwickHenryWard |
Nov-21-11 01:11 PM |
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Such contortions. |
Fokker Trip |
Nov-20-11 09:53 PM |
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It's what you do with that education that counts. Sure, Obama is a lesser evil, but Chomsky is |
leveymg |
Nov-21-11 05:16 AM |
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Um, Obama is not from the ruling class. |
mahina |
Nov-20-11 05:08 PM |
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Chomsky: ""He grew up in a privileged way..." |
jefferson_dem |
Nov-20-11 08:22 PM |
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He did go to a great school. I sent my kid there too, and we aren't rich by any perverse stretch. |
mahina |
Nov-20-11 09:48 PM |
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K&R. The myth of American exceptionalism is killing us. |
yardwork |
Nov-20-11 05:29 PM |
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Amen. Amen. Amen. |
davidwparker |
Nov-20-11 05:39 PM |
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Of course you won't vote for the Democrat. |
jefferson_dem |
Nov-20-11 08:24 PM |
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But if you listen to Chomsky carefully you realize that he would vote for Obama too ... |
jimlup |
Nov-20-11 06:44 PM |
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k&r! nt |
wildbilln864 |
Nov-20-11 06:52 PM |
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Nixon went to Whittier. Carter went to Georgia Tech. |
pnwmom |
Nov-20-11 07:09 PM |
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Meh. |
jefferson_dem |
Nov-20-11 07:56 PM |
#124 |
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Deep understanding of American politics? Cynical linguist? |
Fokker Trip |
Nov-20-11 08:27 PM |
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I didn't stutter. |
jefferson_dem |
Nov-20-11 08:36 PM |
#138 |
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Stutter? Lost me there. |
Fokker Trip |
Nov-20-11 09:41 PM |
#143 |
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So choosing miniFascism over super Fascism isn't still choosing Fascism? |
MNBrewer |
Nov-20-11 08:02 PM |
#127 |
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Sounds exactly like the "both parties are the same" brigade here (nt) |
Nye Bevan |
Nov-20-11 08:11 PM |
#130 |
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And equally as clueless. |
jefferson_dem |
Nov-20-11 08:12 PM |
#131 |
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"And equally as clueless." |
unkachuck |
Nov-20-11 08:25 PM |
#135 |
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He's always so spot on. nt |
gateley |
Nov-20-11 09:21 PM |
#140 |
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K & R |
L0oniX |
Nov-20-11 09:26 PM |
#141 |
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Not me! I only voted for Obama because the alternative was totally unacceptable. |
RoccoR5955 |
Nov-20-11 09:37 PM |
#142 |
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REC. thanks for posting this. nt |
bertman |
Nov-20-11 10:19 PM |
#147 |
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I Was Listening to Nader Speak |
dash_bannon |
Nov-20-11 10:23 PM |
#148 |
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In my case, you're preaching to the choir. |
Beacool |
Nov-20-11 10:27 PM |
#150 |
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You sure you're part of the choir? Chomsky's "logic" applies even more to the Clintons n/t |
Azathoth |
Nov-20-11 11:05 PM |
#151 |
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I hate Noam Chomsky |
Pryderi |
Nov-21-11 12:33 AM |
#155 |
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K & R |
dipsydoodle |
Nov-21-11 04:05 AM |
#160 |
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He and a number of others also said it BEFORE the election |
Doctor_J |
Nov-21-11 05:57 AM |
#163 |
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