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147. yep, teens who scared the nazis
have you ever explored the argument that hitler and the nazi party organization were intentionally vague about what the final solution was, at first to test the waters to see how far they could go and later to shield themselves from repsonsibility if they ever lost the war.

the idea was hitler would go on about the "final solution" which evolved from beating, to robbing, to enslaving to exterminating.

i agree that the tea partiers are plotting assissinations, (giffords), so i think that some nazis were thining "genocide" from the get go, but that was not the official party line nor the line held by many followers

as years went on hitler would continue being vague and those around him, to get browine points, would all try to be more brutal than the next person to "please hitler" who often didnt ask them directly to do such callous acts.

one of the theories i heard on this are that hitler understood that he could get people to be more sadistic if he was vague because they would go farther than they would had he asked directly if they were fighting to get on his a list by being "the best nazi"

at the same time if the people didnt like these acts hitler could blame others and survive the next election (while elections still mattered)

as time went on and elections no longer mattered hitler still got people to do really horrible things often without asking directly, just using nuance and hoping that "good nazis" would come through for him.
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  -We Are, Many Times Here, Admonished NOT To Compare Today's Plight With 1930's Germany... WillyT  Nov-19-11 07:36 PM   #0 
  - I was just in Munich on a tour about the Third Reich's beginnings there  CreekDog   Nov-19-11 07:38 PM   #1 
  - the nazis were a tad more youthful + fashionable and explicitly expansionist  BOG PERSON   Nov-19-11 08:17 PM   #4 
     - They don't look like that guy!  MADem   Nov-19-11 08:54 PM   #9 
  - Look...behind that tree...could it really be...  Philosopher King   Nov-19-11 08:07 PM   #2 
  - Oh I get it... Socialist = Nazis  Kingofalldems   Nov-19-11 08:28 PM   #6 
  - Pretty obvious isn't it?  socialist_n_TN   Nov-19-11 09:18 PM   #12 
     - The full title of Adolf Hitler's party was Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei.  Philosopher King   Nov-20-11 07:04 AM   #78 
     - Why National Socialism (NAZISM) is NOT Socialism  B Calm   Nov-20-11 02:53 PM   #161 
     - Socialism is available in many flavors...  Philosopher King   Nov-21-11 12:40 PM   #202 
        - Fascism is Socialism?  Kingofalldems   Nov-21-11 01:10 PM   #203 
        - You are only revealing your vast ignorance of the beginnings  hifiguy   Nov-21-11 01:46 PM   #205 
           - That is certainly what Rush claims, isn't it?  Kingofalldems   Nov-21-11 01:58 PM   #206 
           - Actually, like ol' Rushbo, you appear to be running an outdated 2-bit (left-right) Operating System.  Philosopher King   Nov-21-11 06:16 PM   #209 
     - And your point? It was named so in order to compete with the Socialists & Communists  WildNovember   Nov-20-11 03:05 PM   #166 
        - not only lured them, but Hitler infiltrated and USED the workers' party...  vcc   Nov-21-11 07:56 AM   #197 
        - Yes, the socialists (Nazis) had to compete with the communists (Marxists)...  Philosopher King   Nov-21-11 12:32 PM   #201 
           - Good try.  Kingofalldems   Nov-21-11 01:23 PM   #204 
           - Fox News in agreement with everything you posted!  Kingofalldems   Nov-21-11 02:12 PM   #207 
              - I don't know--you tell me.  Philosopher King   Nov-23-11 08:21 AM   #211 
     - RW meme for many years. Hitler was the opposite of a socialist of course.  Kingofalldems   Nov-20-11 07:27 AM   #79 
        - hitler described himself as a national socialists  reggie the dog   Nov-20-11 10:10 AM   #81 
           - Hitler redefined the word socialist -he used the word for his own purposes  Kingofalldems   Nov-20-11 10:33 AM   #92 
           - not really - nazi germany really was social-democratic  BOG PERSON   Nov-20-11 10:43 AM   #98 
              - but they were the right wing party too  reggie the dog   Nov-20-11 10:48 AM   #101 
              - You're saying Nazi Germany was "social-democratic?"  Fantastic Anarchist   Nov-20-11 10:52 AM   #105 
              - yes  BOG PERSON   Nov-20-11 10:59 AM   #111 
              - Well, then that's a very ridiculous assertion.  Fantastic Anarchist   Nov-20-11 11:03 AM   #113 
              - i'm flattered that you think i sound cool  BOG PERSON   Nov-20-11 11:09 AM   #116 
                 - Fair enough.  Fantastic Anarchist   Nov-20-11 11:15 AM   #119 
                    - social democracy and fascism at once  reggie the dog   Nov-20-11 11:27 AM   #124 
              - Hmm that is why the first targets of the state  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-20-11 03:07 PM   #167 
              - Hitler didn't have a welfare state except in his payments to women to have more children  WildNovember   Nov-20-11 03:11 PM   #171 
              - NAZI Germany supported a huge defense industry -- private  JDPriestly   Nov-20-11 01:22 PM   #137 
              - n/m  BOG PERSON   Nov-20-11 01:46 PM   #143 
              - Where is a wall?  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-20-11 03:04 PM   #165 
              - expert in what field? economic history?  BOG PERSON   Nov-20-11 03:42 PM   #177 
                 - Actually NONE who is actually a respected historian in the Field  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-20-11 04:40 PM   #189 
              - social-democratic? I don't think so, as there was no democracy.  WildNovember   Nov-20-11 03:09 PM   #168 
              - well said (nt)  muriel_volestrangler   Nov-20-11 03:52 PM   #179 
              - ordinary germans were not enslaved - conditions worsened for them as the war went on  BOG PERSON   Nov-20-11 04:06 PM   #182 
                 - Depends on what you mean by "ordinary Germans". You mean German citizens?  WildNovember   Nov-20-11 04:36 PM   #188 
                    - no, i don't mean german citizens  BOG PERSON   Nov-20-11 05:36 PM   #193 
                       - Oh, only non-average Germans were killed, imprisoned and forced to work, therefore Germany was  WildNovember   Nov-20-11 05:39 PM   #194 
              - A "robust" welfare state? What are you smoking? People who needed "welfare" were killed  WildNovember   Nov-20-11 04:03 PM   #181 
                 - the nazis short term goal was to establish a racist welfare state  BOG PERSON   Nov-20-11 04:12 PM   #185 
                    - Please tell me about the actual institutions of this alleged "welfare state" rather than the  WildNovember   Nov-20-11 04:31 PM   #187 
                       - werent you the one that brought up hitler's motivations?  BOG PERSON   Nov-20-11 05:25 PM   #190 
                          - An organization which excluded from its "benefit" Jews, tramps (homeless),  WildNovember   Nov-20-11 06:02 PM   #195 
           - It was corporate fascism.  JDPriestly   Nov-20-11 01:18 PM   #135 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-19-11 09:24 PM   #13 
  - Are you trying to equate the NSDAP with actual socialists?  Fantastic Anarchist   Nov-20-11 10:49 AM   #102 
  - economically they were left of today's democrats  reggie the dog   Nov-20-11 10:51 AM   #104 
     - Yes, they had a lot of policies that were to the left of today's Democrats ...  Fantastic Anarchist   Nov-20-11 10:55 AM   #109 
     - it has always been clear in my mind that socialst and  reggie the dog   Nov-20-11 10:57 AM   #110 
        - Indeed ...  Fantastic Anarchist   Nov-20-11 11:04 AM   #114 
           - hopefully they read our conversation  reggie the dog   Nov-20-11 11:12 AM   #117 
              - Yes, I do too.  Fantastic Anarchist   Nov-20-11 11:16 AM   #120 
     - A left economy doesn't kick women & jews out of jobs, exterminate the "unfit,"  WildNovember   Nov-20-11 03:58 PM   #180 
  - The last few who replied seemed to have forgotten that Hitler called his party  chrisa   Nov-21-11 08:06 AM   #198 
  - Why not? The parallels are inescapable. n/t  Scuba   Nov-19-11 08:14 PM   #3 
  - Yes, and I believe she also said, or was it someone else  sabrina 1   Nov-19-11 08:22 PM   #5 
  - but the robocops are at the service of globalized liberal capitalism  BOG PERSON   Nov-19-11 08:28 PM   #7 
     - Greed and corruption and authoritarianism, regardless of  sabrina 1   Nov-19-11 09:34 PM   #14 
     - Neo-Liberal, yes that matters  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-20-11 03:11 PM   #170 
  - There are too many similarities to ignore. They marginalize "other" people,  Riley18   Nov-19-11 08:29 PM   #8 
  - maybe some people on du think the jews should have got permits & paid for their own security like  msongs   Nov-19-11 09:05 PM   #10 
  - Thugs and elites through the centuries, pick an era,  PATRICK   Nov-19-11 09:08 PM   #11 
  - Yep. We still have the people going HURR!!! GODWIN!!!  backscatter712   Nov-19-11 09:48 PM   #15 
  - You sound ridiculous.  tritsofme   Nov-19-11 09:49 PM   #16 
     - No, I was serious.  backscatter712   Nov-19-11 10:48 PM   #24 
        - Mid 1930s  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-20-11 02:28 AM   #70 
           - what is USPA??  reggie the dog   Nov-20-11 10:17 AM   #84 
              - United States Patriot Act.  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-20-11 10:26 AM   #87 
                 - i did a google search and got us polo association  reggie the dog   Nov-20-11 10:50 AM   #103 
  - It's not.  ellisonz   Nov-19-11 10:13 PM   #17 
  - So... Did You Even Bother To Go To The Link Provided ???  WillyT   Nov-19-11 10:20 PM   #19 
  - I watched her interview two days ago.  ellisonz   Nov-19-11 10:41 PM   #21 
     - Oh Jesus Christ... I Gotta Give Up On People Like You... Everything Is A Fucking Lab Experiment...  WillyT   Nov-19-11 11:03 PM   #29 
     - I'm not the only one disagreeing with you on this topic.  ellisonz   Nov-20-11 12:08 AM   #32 
        - Well... As Much As I Respect Your Field Of Endeavor, And Your Personal Talents And Ambitions...  WillyT   Nov-20-11 12:21 AM   #33 
        - One can use "sourcing" to make a great many arguments, however it must be stated that...  ellisonz   Nov-20-11 01:27 AM   #41 
           - Methods in History  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-20-11 02:04 AM   #55 
              - i learned what primary sources were as an undergrad in history  reggie the dog   Nov-20-11 10:23 AM   #85 
                 - Why I know the history of labor  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-20-11 10:28 AM   #88 
        - I'll raise my masters in History  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-20-11 02:02 AM   #53 
           - Our police force are not jackboots.  ellisonz   Nov-20-11 02:13 AM   #60 
           - I am not converting you  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-20-11 02:15 AM   #62 
           - Enjoy  ellisonz   Nov-20-11 02:18 AM   #63 
              - Alas Goodwin's law is no longer applicable  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-20-11 02:20 AM   #66 
                 - I agree  Bragi   Nov-20-11 07:33 AM   #80 
                    - i will listen to historians with masters degrees  reggie the dog   Nov-20-11 10:32 AM   #91 
           - overwhelming opinion of academia is bullshit for the most part  reggie the dog   Nov-20-11 10:29 AM   #90 
           - Well... I Probably Shouldn't Have Accused You Of Being Befuddled, But...  WillyT   Nov-20-11 01:35 PM   #140 
           - How many years did you live in Germany or Austria yourself, ellisonz.  JDPriestly   Nov-20-11 01:38 PM   #141 
              - I don't have to have lived everywhere to have studied it...  ellisonz   Nov-20-11 02:13 PM   #150 
              - If you want to claim expertise on NAZI Germany, you should live and study  JDPriestly   Nov-20-11 02:16 PM   #152 
                 - Who died and made you FBI director?  ellisonz   Nov-20-11 02:22 PM   #156 
                 - Actually what JDPriestley suggested to you  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-20-11 02:58 PM   #162 
                    - Oh I plan too...  ellisonz   Nov-20-11 03:10 PM   #169 
                       - Maybe they will mention Toynbee in your advanced degrees  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-20-11 03:14 PM   #172 
                 - You should at least know a little about German culture and the language  JDPriestly   Nov-20-11 05:33 PM   #192 
              - My father who was born in 1910, he fought WWII  truedelphi   Nov-23-11 12:55 AM   #210 
           - you have a freind tortured by the angel of death himself?  reggie the dog   Nov-20-11 10:25 AM   #86 
              - Oh she works with survivors  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-20-11 10:28 AM   #89 
                 - i would love to see or hear an interview with her describing  reggie the dog   Nov-20-11 10:52 AM   #106 
                    - I'll have to ask her  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-20-11 03:02 PM   #164 
     - I agree and know at least one academic who agrees.  JDPriestly   Nov-20-11 01:10 AM   #38 
        - Thank You For That !!!  WillyT   Nov-20-11 01:15 AM   #39 
        - There is a very drastic difference between totalitarianism and democracy...  ellisonz   Nov-20-11 01:35 AM   #42 
           - Our society is not yet fully totalitarian, and we can turn things around  JDPriestly   Nov-20-11 01:46 AM   #45 
           - That's much more imperialism than totalitarianism.  ellisonz   Nov-20-11 01:58 AM   #51 
           - Read on inverted totaliatiarism  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-20-11 02:06 AM   #58 
           - dupe.  OnyxCollie   Nov-20-11 03:40 AM   # 
           - Is that the Gramscian Inversion?  OnyxCollie   Nov-20-11 03:40 AM   #76 
              - No, it was explained in democracy inc  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-20-11 10:11 AM   #82 
              - Gramsci's inversion can be used for any totalitarian society ...  Fantastic Anarchist   Nov-20-11 11:14 AM   #118 
           - the war on drugs is totalitarianism, hell fascism  reggie the dog   Nov-20-11 10:37 AM   #95 
           - Nomenclature 101.  Admiral Loinpresser   Nov-20-11 12:06 PM   #130 
           - Brezinzski suggests totalitarian societies ebb and flow.  OnyxCollie   Nov-20-11 03:32 AM   #75 
           - Oh my god Germans were able to have  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-20-11 02:05 AM   #57 
           - I think the Gestapo might have something to say about that...  ellisonz   Nov-20-11 02:19 AM   #65 
              - There is plenty of that  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-20-11 02:25 AM   #68 
                 - Many of the German Camo uni's from WWII  deaniac21   Nov-21-11 03:17 PM   #208 
           - the nazis, in 1932, did not call for genocide  reggie the dog   Nov-20-11 10:36 AM   #94 
           - Whats the difference?  ellisonz   Nov-20-11 01:14 PM   #133 
              - yep, teens who scared the nazis  reggie the dog   Nov-20-11 01:54 PM   #147 
                 - The Nazis were scared by lots of things.  ellisonz   Nov-20-11 02:19 PM   #154 
                    - what i read about the nazis and the occult  reggie the dog   Nov-20-11 02:28 PM   #158 
           - Nazi Germany was definitely NOT totalitarianism.  Admiral Loinpresser   Nov-20-11 11:51 AM   #128 
              - Hah...  ellisonz   Nov-20-11 01:16 PM   #134 
                 - The difference between totalitarianism and  Admiral Loinpresser   Nov-20-11 01:57 PM   #148 
                    - The Soviet Union was a corporation.  ellisonz   Nov-20-11 02:16 PM   #153 
                       - I will take the smiley face as an admission of your mistake  Admiral Loinpresser   Nov-20-11 02:23 PM   #157 
                       - Both/and  ellisonz   Nov-20-11 02:59 PM   #163 
                       - OH MY GOD...  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-20-11 03:15 PM   #173 
  - You really do not want to go that route  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-20-11 01:58 AM   #50 
  - The Nazis planned a "Final Solution."  ellisonz   Nov-20-11 02:02 AM   #54 
     - Arnold Toynbee woud have a nice discussion  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-20-11 02:08 AM   #59 
     - William Appleman Williams on a stick.  ellisonz   Nov-20-11 02:23 AM   #67 
        - Echoes, Long Dureee  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-20-11 02:27 AM   #69 
        - did you just argue "contours" or "cycles"  reggie the dog   Nov-20-11 11:04 AM   #115 
           - We're arguing about the nature of historical development.  ellisonz   Nov-20-11 01:21 PM   #136 
              - i was taught the cycles thing too  reggie the dog   Nov-20-11 01:47 PM   #144 
              - No I am not berating you  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-20-11 03:39 PM   #176 
     - final solution was vague  reggie the dog   Nov-20-11 10:55 AM   #108 
     - 100 years in the past???  Admiral Loinpresser   Nov-20-11 11:56 AM   #129 
        - It's a different subject...  ellisonz   Nov-20-11 01:24 PM   #138 
           - Native freedom fighters have been fighting terrorism since 1492  Admiral Loinpresser   Nov-20-11 01:48 PM   #146 
              - I think it stopped being full-scale government co-ordinated policy.  ellisonz   Nov-20-11 02:21 PM   #155 
                 - When the buffalo was all but eradicated  Admiral Loinpresser   Nov-20-11 02:32 PM   #159 
                    - I'll go to my actual field of study and  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-20-11 03:26 PM   #174 
                       - And the American Indian Movement became  Admiral Loinpresser   Nov-20-11 03:47 PM   #178 
                          - Precisely  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-20-11 04:30 PM   #186 
  - the USA tried to exterminate all the native americans  reggie the dog   Nov-20-11 10:17 AM   #83 
  - You think it happened overnight?  Fantastic Anarchist   Nov-20-11 11:01 AM   #112 
     - I think once it happened, it happened.  ellisonz   Nov-20-11 01:12 PM   #132 
        - Then you miss the point entirely.  Fantastic Anarchist   Nov-20-11 02:37 PM   #160 
           - It also didn't help the shape Germany was in after WWI.  chrisa   Nov-21-11 08:14 AM   #199 
  - [Watery eyes and itchy skin] != [Deportations to concentration camps and mass murder]  Nye Bevan   Nov-19-11 10:17 PM   #18 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-19-11 10:39 PM   #20 
  - Yes, the hyperbole is annoying, really.  999998th word   Nov-19-11 10:42 PM   #22 
  - We have concentration camps. Today they are called  Cleita   Nov-19-11 10:50 PM   #25 
  - Utter horseshit  RZM   Nov-20-11 01:44 AM   #44 
     - how many civilians have died in Iraq??  Angry Dragon   Nov-20-11 01:47 AM   #46 
     - Quite a few  RZM   Nov-20-11 01:59 AM   #52 
        - I have heard numbers between 600,000 and 1 million  Angry Dragon   Nov-20-11 02:15 AM   #61 
           - That's where those numbers come from  RZM   Nov-20-11 02:18 AM   #64 
           - Here's a good analysis:  ellisonz   Nov-20-11 02:30 AM   #72 
     - they didnt murder the jews until later on  reggie the dog   Nov-20-11 10:44 AM   #99 
     - Yes I know this  RZM   Nov-20-11 12:31 PM   #131 
     - W said he was fighting a crusade in iraq  reggie the dog   Nov-20-11 11:30 AM   #125 
        - I think you're mistaken about that statement  RZM   Nov-20-11 01:25 PM   #139 
           - I mean that W, his dad, Kerry  reggie the dog   Nov-20-11 01:44 PM   #142 
  - Most Germans were not deported. Most of them did not think much about  JDPriestly   Nov-20-11 01:19 AM   #40 
  - ??? concentration camps got going in late 30's early 40s and the  reggie the dog   Nov-20-11 10:43 AM   #97 
  - Yep, but the truth of the comparisons cannot be ignored  Cleita   Nov-19-11 10:47 PM   #23 
  - Thank You For That !!!  WillyT   Nov-19-11 10:51 PM   #26 
     - You are welcome.  Cleita   Nov-19-11 10:56 PM   #28 
        - Fascism- the new 'F' word.  999998th word   Nov-19-11 11:37 PM   #30 
        - Democracy Inc  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-20-11 02:31 AM   #73 
  - Gen David Patreus WILL BE the Republican nominee for POTUS  lib2DaBone   Nov-19-11 10:53 PM   #27 
  - Hyper Bowl...  cherokeeprogressive   Nov-19-11 11:38 PM   #31 
  - And while we are more capable of watching them,  woo me with science   Nov-20-11 12:37 AM   #34 
  - We aren't saying it's full on 1944 Germany  MedleyMisty   Nov-20-11 12:40 AM   #35 
  - Hitler had the Reichstag burned down.  ellisonz   Nov-20-11 01:56 AM   #48 
  - "we are fighting a crusade" W said that about iraq  reggie the dog   Nov-20-11 11:22 AM   #122 
  - And... All It Takes Is THIS... Becoming he New Normal...  WillyT   Nov-20-11 12:45 AM   #37 
  - You see how this worked?  ellisonz   Nov-20-11 02:48 AM   #74 
  - genocide is still possible  reggie the dog   Nov-20-11 10:47 AM   #100 
     - No..he couldn't  snooper2   Nov-23-11 08:35 AM   #212 
  - Is it all right to compare it with America in 1932?  Downwinder   Nov-20-11 12:42 AM   #36 
  - No. This is Verboten!  ellisonz   Nov-20-11 02:04 AM   #56 
  - Yes it is.  Admiral Loinpresser   Nov-20-11 03:38 PM   #175 
  - Germany in the 1930s had a Democratic tradition that was less than two decades old  RZM   Nov-20-11 01:41 AM   #43 
  - +1  ellisonz   Nov-20-11 01:57 AM   #49 
  - If it happens you might "eat your hat", but unfortunately  socialist_n_TN   Nov-20-11 10:36 AM   #93 
  - how many decades since the usa had no legal segregation???  reggie the dog   Nov-20-11 11:37 AM   #126 
  - To which civil liberties do you refer?  Admiral Loinpresser   Nov-20-11 02:14 PM   #151 
  - The difference is that the Nazis had concentration camps because they didn't want their brutality...  JVS   Nov-20-11 01:53 AM   #47 
  - There really are parallels, but there are very important differences as well  eridani   Nov-20-11 02:28 AM   #71 
  - What is occuring is world-wide, not just in the US.  Fire Walk With Me   Nov-20-11 04:00 AM   #77 
  - i was just talking about this with my friends  reggie the dog   Nov-20-11 11:42 AM   #127 
  - NAZI ties to JFK assassination  Octafish   Nov-20-11 10:41 AM   #96 
  - "When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrappd in the Flag and carrying a Cross."  BiggJawn   Nov-20-11 10:55 AM   #107 
  - All the republicans/teabaggers need is the right leader, and  Zorra   Nov-20-11 11:20 AM   #121 
  - lets get a list going of parallel programs/tactics  reggie the dog   Nov-20-11 11:25 AM   #123 
  - DARE is equivalent to the Hitler Youth?  Nye Bevan   Nov-20-11 01:47 PM   #145 
     - both programs tell kids to spy  reggie the dog   Nov-20-11 01:57 PM   #149 
        - So turning in people to the police for drug possession is the same as sending them to Treblinka?  OmahaBlueDog   Nov-20-11 04:09 PM   #184 
           - sure it is ,  reggie the dog   Nov-21-11 05:29 AM   #196 
  - There are a lot of key differences  OmahaBlueDog   Nov-20-11 04:07 PM   #183 
  - Unrec  treestar   Nov-20-11 05:27 PM   #191 
  - And now you know why we have been admonished so many times!!  Major Hogwash   Nov-21-11 08:46 AM   #200 

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