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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 05:39 AM
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71. Exactly, and if he says and does nothing, he will also lose all credibility
in places like Egypt, where thugs have already started to kill and maim peaceful protesters Friday.

If he tries to lecture them, they will say he does nothing for his own people so, why should they have to listen to him?

Hence, foreign-policy wise, he has no choice but to do as you say, or immediately lose all credibility to help any victims abroad.
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  -Obama's Monumental OWS Dilemma The Doctor.  Nov-19-11 04:36 PM   #0 
  - OWS is ignoring him. The movement moves forward. nt  Sarah Ibarruri   Nov-19-11 04:36 PM   #1 
  - And well they should.  dbt   Nov-19-11 04:40 PM   #4 
  - I'm glad he's there rather than a pig like Newt Gingrich, for ex. However... !!! nt  Sarah Ibarruri   Nov-19-11 04:45 PM   #10 
  - I have no doubt.  The Doctor.   Nov-19-11 04:40 PM   #6 
  - This is the most powerful movement I've ever experienced in my country. I'm thrilled! nt  Sarah Ibarruri   Nov-19-11 04:45 PM   #12 
  - I don't see it  hack89   Nov-19-11 04:58 PM   #20 
  - It's a movement. It's not a passage of laws overnight. Let me post for you what a movement is....  Sarah Ibarruri   Nov-19-11 04:59 PM   #22 
  - Not everyone who disagrees with you does so out of ignorance  hack89   Nov-19-11 05:12 PM   #25 
     - I'm not being patronizing. You're confusing a movement with a passage of mass laws to  Sarah Ibarruri   Nov-19-11 05:15 PM   #28 
        - No - you are the one that is confusing a nascent, struggling protest movement  hack89   Nov-19-11 05:21 PM   #30 
        - You still have no idea how a movement works. You want overnight change and you're unwilling  Sarah Ibarruri   Nov-19-11 05:40 PM   #31 
           - You are not getting it - I expect nothing from OWS  hack89   Nov-19-11 05:56 PM   #36 
              - Of course you don't have a better idea. I knew that from the get-go. You have no ideas at all.  Sarah Ibarruri   Nov-19-11 08:17 PM   #47 
              - So working to get Democrats elected is worthless? A total waste of time?  hack89   Nov-19-11 09:18 PM   #49 
                 - Really. Your method has been sooo effective! (NOT) nt  Sarah Ibarruri   Nov-19-11 11:01 PM   #59 
                    - So OWS will eventually move into electoral politics?  hack89   Nov-20-11 09:39 AM   #73 
                       - Why not? If it goes that way, will you stop them? nt  Sarah Ibarruri   Nov-20-11 01:58 PM   #79 
              - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Nov-19-11 09:30 PM   #53 
        - Saying someone is "confused" and "oblivious"  Owlet   Nov-19-11 06:09 PM   #41 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-19-11 08:18 PM   #48 
              - So wondering what OWS will actually accomplish is a RW point of view? Wow. nt  hack89   Nov-19-11 09:20 PM   #50 
              - Please enumerate any and all progressive legislation passed by the OWS.  Ikonoklast   Nov-19-11 09:30 PM   #52 
                 - OWS is not a governing body. That was my premise to Mr. Hack89, that he's confusing  Sarah Ibarruri   Nov-19-11 11:00 PM   #58 
                 - He isn't the one confused over who is getting things accomplished.  Ikonoklast   Nov-19-11 11:11 PM   #60 
                 - Certainly not the Democrats.  Fantastic Anarchist   Nov-20-11 12:31 AM   #67 
                 - OK..I'm trying to understand where you're coming from  Owlet   Nov-20-11 05:09 AM   #69 
                    - I'm saying it's a movement. What did you think it was? nt  Sarah Ibarruri   Nov-20-11 02:00 PM   #80 
                       - Well, I think t's a series of protest events  Owlet   Nov-20-11 03:58 PM   #82 
                          - It began on 9/17/11, and you consider that long duration? You need a chill pill  Sarah Ibarruri   Nov-20-11 04:00 PM   #83 
                          - There's no talking to you  Owlet   Nov-20-11 05:39 PM   #86 
                          - I understand you perfectly well. You're against the movement, and you have no other ideas nt  Sarah Ibarruri   Nov-20-11 05:49 PM   #87 
                          - sounds like the DLC  unionworks   Nov-20-11 11:46 PM   #93 
                          - Anyone who allows attitude rather than substance to guide their beliefs  The Doctor.   Nov-20-11 06:25 PM   #88 
                             - Huh?  Owlet   Nov-21-11 06:38 AM   #108 
                                - Not a physician.  The Doctor.   Nov-21-11 12:06 PM   #110 
                 - Facepalm The ignorance is astounding.  donheld   Nov-19-11 11:44 PM   #63 
                    - Smack yourself in the head all you want to.  Ikonoklast   Nov-20-11 12:16 AM   #66 
                       - False premise.  Occulus   Nov-20-11 10:09 AM   #76 
                       - The right-wing powers that be have had 30+ years to get us to this point.  Blue_In_AK   Nov-20-11 11:36 PM   #91 
                       - You're really asking that?  The Doctor.   Nov-20-11 02:17 PM   #81 
                       - Next your going to tell me Rosa Parks accomplished nothing.  donheld   Nov-20-11 10:58 PM   #89 
  - Ask Bank Of America if they see it  girl_interrupted   Nov-21-11 03:29 AM   #106 
  - Yeah, pretty excited here too.  The Doctor.   Nov-19-11 05:55 PM   #35 
  - Thanks. :) nt  Sarah Ibarruri   Nov-19-11 11:20 PM   #61 
  - Sarah, I'm sorry  donheld   Nov-19-11 11:46 PM   #64 
     - What donheld said.  Kaleko   Nov-20-11 04:21 PM   #84 
  - Question  PETRUS   Nov-19-11 05:02 PM   #23 
     - It's just a theory of mine.  The Doctor.   Nov-19-11 06:06 PM   #39 
  - I agree with that.  Blue_In_AK   Nov-20-11 11:23 PM   #90 
  - he's got Egypt's back, not ours  Skittles   Nov-19-11 04:38 PM   #2 
  - He didn't do anything about Egypt.  The Doctor.   Nov-19-11 04:42 PM   #8 
  - WAKE UP  Skittles   Nov-19-11 04:49 PM   #16 
     - He said that  MedleyMisty   Nov-19-11 04:55 PM   #19 
     - Ummm... that's kind of the point of the OP.  The Doctor.   Nov-19-11 05:57 PM   #37 
        - LOL  Skittles   Nov-19-11 09:24 PM   #51 
           - Where is he not?  The Doctor.   Nov-19-11 10:39 PM   #57 
  - that'sthecruz of the matter  hedgetrimmer   Nov-19-11 11:39 PM   #62 
  - As OWS evolves I think it'll be safe for him to side with OWS. I think he'll HAVE to.  fostercareinjustice   Nov-19-11 04:38 PM   #3 
  - That's what I'm hoping.  The Doctor.   Nov-19-11 06:12 PM   #42 
  - I am 100% behind this  Hutzpa   Nov-19-11 04:40 PM   #5 
  - No matter what he does, he IS picking a side. nt  ZombieHorde   Nov-19-11 04:41 PM   #7 
  - Yes, best not to piss off Limbaugh and his minions  gratuitous   Nov-19-11 04:43 PM   #9 
  - So are you saying that the President should not take a stand  Angry Dragon   Nov-19-11 04:45 PM   #11 
  - The latter, of course...  Orsino   Nov-19-11 04:48 PM   #14 
     - Then he is a weak person  Angry Dragon   Nov-19-11 04:53 PM   #18 
        - American politics doesn't breed for strength.  Orsino   Nov-20-11 09:54 AM   #74 
  - For the most part, I agree.  TheWraith   Nov-19-11 04:46 PM   #13 
  - I'm thinking it'll be #2...and it will be number two.  Huey P. Long   Nov-19-11 04:49 PM   #15 
  - No, he should not.  The Doctor.   Nov-19-11 05:53 PM   #34 
     - I'm not sure if I am communicating clearly, or I think you misunderstand me.  Huey P. Long   Nov-19-11 06:49 PM   #46 
  - I vote for #1  izquierdista   Nov-19-11 04:49 PM   #17 
  - There's a fifth option.  Capitalocracy   Nov-19-11 04:58 PM   #21 
  - +1, this is mostly about justice after all, not right or left n/t  AntiFascist   Nov-19-11 05:07 PM   #24 
  - I'd like that, but it still winds up in the #4 category as the same scenario  The Doctor.   Nov-19-11 06:14 PM   #43 
  - I think you over estimate American politicians, including Obama  Tom Rinaldo   Nov-19-11 06:21 PM   #45 
  - Interesting line of thought.  Jackpine Radical   Nov-19-11 05:13 PM   #26 
  - Obama ran on repairing economic inequality. If he can't side with #OWS  EFerrari   Nov-19-11 05:13 PM   #27 
  - Oh, he can. He just has to be very careful how he does it.  The Doctor.   Nov-19-11 05:51 PM   #33 
  - The only solution that does NOT result in things getting worse is Obama 'coming to jesus'  Edweird   Nov-19-11 05:17 PM   #29 
  - Rec'd  graywarrior   Nov-19-11 05:44 PM   #32 
  - It doesn't matter whether he does anything to "prove Fox right".  gkhouston   Nov-19-11 06:03 PM   #38 
  - This is a good and thoughtful analysis. Not sure I agree with it but thanks for putting it out there  riderinthestorm   Nov-19-11 06:07 PM   #40 
  - Well, I respect your opinion. Is there something specific  The Doctor.   Nov-19-11 09:41 PM   #55 
  - Our politicians do not have to be for or against the movement  sabrina 1   Nov-19-11 06:17 PM   #44 
  - +1000!!!  FirstLight   Nov-19-11 09:34 PM   #54 
  - Exactly, and if he says and does nothing, he will also lose all credibility  Amonester   Nov-20-11 05:39 AM   #71 
  - Thank you. nt  woo me with science   Nov-20-11 11:47 PM   #94 
  - what Obama could do  gate of the sun   Nov-19-11 10:21 PM   #56 
  - See 'option 4'.  The Doctor.   Nov-20-11 12:52 AM   #68 
  - I think this crackdown was timed to coincide with his being outside the country.  Marr   Nov-19-11 11:57 PM   #65 
  - Everything isn't about Obama. The movement speaks on its own.  mmonk   Nov-20-11 05:30 AM   #70 
  - I don't know which number this could be:  Amonester   Nov-20-11 05:48 AM   #72 
  - So in order "not to tick off the far right". . Obama should ignore the 99%  annabanana   Nov-20-11 10:03 AM   #75 
  - OWS is the one with a dilemma  hack89   Nov-20-11 10:25 AM   #77 
  - They don't have enough money to (directly) influence an election.  Amonester   Nov-21-11 12:41 AM   #97 
     - So what is the end game for OWS?  hack89   Nov-21-11 07:06 AM   #109 
  - His dilemma is how can he keep from being exposed by the 99%  ladjf   Nov-20-11 12:32 PM   #78 
  - i agree with the dr.  roman7   Nov-20-11 04:36 PM   #85 
  - I don't think it's much of a dilemma. He'll do number one, which is the safest political bet  RZM   Nov-20-11 11:40 PM   #92 
  - I don't care whether he supports the movement or not,  Blue_In_AK   Nov-21-11 12:02 AM   #95 
     - Well you could say he owes a lot of things  RZM   Nov-21-11 12:28 AM   #96 
        - Polls: 60 percent of Americans say America would be better off  Amonester   Nov-21-11 12:50 AM   #98 
           - Sadly, I don't think that's all that important  RZM   Nov-21-11 01:03 AM   #99 
              - You can think the OWS movement is not important, of course.  Amonester   Nov-21-11 01:26 AM   #100 
                 - I like to think of myself as a dispassionate observer of most things  RZM   Nov-21-11 01:47 AM   #101 
                    - It's alright. Help for the 99% "person of the year" if you please.:-)  Amonester   Nov-21-11 01:59 AM   #102 
                       - Sorry, I have to go for the Arab Springers  RZM   Nov-21-11 02:27 AM   #105 
  - This is the first thing Obama MUST do  girl_interrupted   Nov-21-11 02:01 AM   #103 
  - Perfect summary.  saras   Nov-21-11 02:26 AM   #104 
     - TY  girl_interrupted   Nov-21-11 03:32 AM   #107 

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