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Sat Nov-19-11 04:38 PM
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| 3. As OWS evolves I think it'll be safe for him to side with OWS. I think he'll HAVE to. |
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Frankly, OWS is right and many people, I think even a majority, agree with the core arguments that OWS is making. I think it's only a matter of time before it has a substantial influence on our political leaders.
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| -Obama's Monumental OWS Dilemma |
The Doctor. |
Nov-19-11 04:36 PM |
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OWS is ignoring him. The movement moves forward. nt |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Nov-19-11 04:36 PM |
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And well they should. |
dbt |
Nov-19-11 04:40 PM |
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I'm glad he's there rather than a pig like Newt Gingrich, for ex. However... !!! nt |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Nov-19-11 04:45 PM |
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I have no doubt. |
The Doctor. |
Nov-19-11 04:40 PM |
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This is the most powerful movement I've ever experienced in my country. I'm thrilled! nt |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Nov-19-11 04:45 PM |
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I don't see it |
hack89 |
Nov-19-11 04:58 PM |
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It's a movement. It's not a passage of laws overnight. Let me post for you what a movement is.... |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Nov-19-11 04:59 PM |
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Not everyone who disagrees with you does so out of ignorance |
hack89 |
Nov-19-11 05:12 PM |
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I'm not being patronizing. You're confusing a movement with a passage of mass laws to |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Nov-19-11 05:15 PM |
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No - you are the one that is confusing a nascent, struggling protest movement |
hack89 |
Nov-19-11 05:21 PM |
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You still have no idea how a movement works. You want overnight change and you're unwilling |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Nov-19-11 05:40 PM |
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You are not getting it - I expect nothing from OWS |
hack89 |
Nov-19-11 05:56 PM |
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Of course you don't have a better idea. I knew that from the get-go. You have no ideas at all. |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Nov-19-11 08:17 PM |
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So working to get Democrats elected is worthless? A total waste of time? |
hack89 |
Nov-19-11 09:18 PM |
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Really. Your method has been sooo effective! (NOT) nt |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Nov-19-11 11:01 PM |
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So OWS will eventually move into electoral politics? |
hack89 |
Nov-20-11 09:39 AM |
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Why not? If it goes that way, will you stop them? nt |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Nov-20-11 01:58 PM |
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Name removed |
Nov-19-11 09:30 PM |
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Saying someone is "confused" and "oblivious" |
Owlet |
Nov-19-11 06:09 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Nov-19-11 08:18 PM |
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So wondering what OWS will actually accomplish is a RW point of view? Wow. nt |
hack89 |
Nov-19-11 09:20 PM |
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Please enumerate any and all progressive legislation passed by the OWS. |
Ikonoklast |
Nov-19-11 09:30 PM |
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OWS is not a governing body. That was my premise to Mr. Hack89, that he's confusing |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Nov-19-11 11:00 PM |
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He isn't the one confused over who is getting things accomplished. |
Ikonoklast |
Nov-19-11 11:11 PM |
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Certainly not the Democrats. |
Fantastic Anarchist |
Nov-20-11 12:31 AM |
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OK..I'm trying to understand where you're coming from |
Owlet |
Nov-20-11 05:09 AM |
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I'm saying it's a movement. What did you think it was? nt |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Nov-20-11 02:00 PM |
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Well, I think t's a series of protest events |
Owlet |
Nov-20-11 03:58 PM |
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It began on 9/17/11, and you consider that long duration? You need a chill pill |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Nov-20-11 04:00 PM |
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There's no talking to you |
Owlet |
Nov-20-11 05:39 PM |
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I understand you perfectly well. You're against the movement, and you have no other ideas nt |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Nov-20-11 05:49 PM |
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sounds like the DLC |
unionworks |
Nov-20-11 11:46 PM |
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Anyone who allows attitude rather than substance to guide their beliefs |
The Doctor. |
Nov-20-11 06:25 PM |
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Huh? |
Owlet |
Nov-21-11 06:38 AM |
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Not a physician. |
The Doctor. |
Nov-21-11 12:06 PM |
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Facepalm The ignorance is astounding. |
donheld |
Nov-19-11 11:44 PM |
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Smack yourself in the head all you want to. |
Ikonoklast |
Nov-20-11 12:16 AM |
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False premise. |
Occulus |
Nov-20-11 10:09 AM |
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The right-wing powers that be have had 30+ years to get us to this point. |
Blue_In_AK |
Nov-20-11 11:36 PM |
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You're really asking that? |
The Doctor. |
Nov-20-11 02:17 PM |
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Next your going to tell me Rosa Parks accomplished nothing. |
donheld |
Nov-20-11 10:58 PM |
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Ask Bank Of America if they see it |
girl_interrupted |
Nov-21-11 03:29 AM |
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Yeah, pretty excited here too. |
The Doctor. |
Nov-19-11 05:55 PM |
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Thanks. :) nt |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Nov-19-11 11:20 PM |
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Sarah, I'm sorry |
donheld |
Nov-19-11 11:46 PM |
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What donheld said. |
Kaleko |
Nov-20-11 04:21 PM |
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Question |
PETRUS |
Nov-19-11 05:02 PM |
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It's just a theory of mine. |
The Doctor. |
Nov-19-11 06:06 PM |
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I agree with that. |
Blue_In_AK |
Nov-20-11 11:23 PM |
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he's got Egypt's back, not ours |
Skittles |
Nov-19-11 04:38 PM |
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He didn't do anything about Egypt. |
The Doctor. |
Nov-19-11 04:42 PM |
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WAKE UP |
Skittles |
Nov-19-11 04:49 PM |
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He said that |
MedleyMisty |
Nov-19-11 04:55 PM |
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Ummm... that's kind of the point of the OP. |
The Doctor. |
Nov-19-11 05:57 PM |
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LOL |
Skittles |
Nov-19-11 09:24 PM |
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Where is he not? |
The Doctor. |
Nov-19-11 10:39 PM |
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that'sthecruz of the matter |
hedgetrimmer |
Nov-19-11 11:39 PM |
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As OWS evolves I think it'll be safe for him to side with OWS. I think he'll HAVE to. |
fostercareinjustice |
Nov-19-11 04:38 PM |
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That's what I'm hoping. |
The Doctor. |
Nov-19-11 06:12 PM |
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I am 100% behind this |
Hutzpa |
Nov-19-11 04:40 PM |
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No matter what he does, he IS picking a side. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Nov-19-11 04:41 PM |
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Yes, best not to piss off Limbaugh and his minions |
gratuitous |
Nov-19-11 04:43 PM |
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So are you saying that the President should not take a stand |
Angry Dragon |
Nov-19-11 04:45 PM |
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The latter, of course... |
Orsino |
Nov-19-11 04:48 PM |
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Then he is a weak person |
Angry Dragon |
Nov-19-11 04:53 PM |
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American politics doesn't breed for strength. |
Orsino |
Nov-20-11 09:54 AM |
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For the most part, I agree. |
TheWraith |
Nov-19-11 04:46 PM |
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I'm thinking it'll be #2...and it will be number two. |
Huey P. Long |
Nov-19-11 04:49 PM |
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No, he should not. |
The Doctor. |
Nov-19-11 05:53 PM |
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I'm not sure if I am communicating clearly, or I think you misunderstand me. |
Huey P. Long |
Nov-19-11 06:49 PM |
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I vote for #1 |
izquierdista |
Nov-19-11 04:49 PM |
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There's a fifth option. |
Capitalocracy |
Nov-19-11 04:58 PM |
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+1, this is mostly about justice after all, not right or left n/t |
AntiFascist |
Nov-19-11 05:07 PM |
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I'd like that, but it still winds up in the #4 category as the same scenario |
The Doctor. |
Nov-19-11 06:14 PM |
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I think you over estimate American politicians, including Obama |
Tom Rinaldo |
Nov-19-11 06:21 PM |
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Interesting line of thought. |
Jackpine Radical |
Nov-19-11 05:13 PM |
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Obama ran on repairing economic inequality. If he can't side with #OWS |
EFerrari |
Nov-19-11 05:13 PM |
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Oh, he can. He just has to be very careful how he does it. |
The Doctor. |
Nov-19-11 05:51 PM |
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The only solution that does NOT result in things getting worse is Obama 'coming to jesus' |
Edweird |
Nov-19-11 05:17 PM |
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Rec'd |
graywarrior |
Nov-19-11 05:44 PM |
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It doesn't matter whether he does anything to "prove Fox right". |
gkhouston |
Nov-19-11 06:03 PM |
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This is a good and thoughtful analysis. Not sure I agree with it but thanks for putting it out there |
riderinthestorm |
Nov-19-11 06:07 PM |
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Well, I respect your opinion. Is there something specific |
The Doctor. |
Nov-19-11 09:41 PM |
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Our politicians do not have to be for or against the movement |
sabrina 1 |
Nov-19-11 06:17 PM |
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+1000!!! |
FirstLight |
Nov-19-11 09:34 PM |
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Exactly, and if he says and does nothing, he will also lose all credibility |
Amonester |
Nov-20-11 05:39 AM |
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Thank you. nt |
woo me with science |
Nov-20-11 11:47 PM |
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what Obama could do |
gate of the sun |
Nov-19-11 10:21 PM |
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See 'option 4'. |
The Doctor. |
Nov-20-11 12:52 AM |
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I think this crackdown was timed to coincide with his being outside the country. |
Marr |
Nov-19-11 11:57 PM |
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Everything isn't about Obama. The movement speaks on its own. |
mmonk |
Nov-20-11 05:30 AM |
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I don't know which number this could be: |
Amonester |
Nov-20-11 05:48 AM |
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So in order "not to tick off the far right". . Obama should ignore the 99% |
annabanana |
Nov-20-11 10:03 AM |
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OWS is the one with a dilemma |
hack89 |
Nov-20-11 10:25 AM |
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They don't have enough money to (directly) influence an election. |
Amonester |
Nov-21-11 12:41 AM |
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So what is the end game for OWS? |
hack89 |
Nov-21-11 07:06 AM |
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His dilemma is how can he keep from being exposed by the 99% |
ladjf |
Nov-20-11 12:32 PM |
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i agree with the dr. |
roman7 |
Nov-20-11 04:36 PM |
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I don't think it's much of a dilemma. He'll do number one, which is the safest political bet |
RZM |
Nov-20-11 11:40 PM |
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I don't care whether he supports the movement or not, |
Blue_In_AK |
Nov-21-11 12:02 AM |
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Well you could say he owes a lot of things |
RZM |
Nov-21-11 12:28 AM |
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Polls: 60 percent of Americans say America would be better off |
Amonester |
Nov-21-11 12:50 AM |
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Sadly, I don't think that's all that important |
RZM |
Nov-21-11 01:03 AM |
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You can think the OWS movement is not important, of course. |
Amonester |
Nov-21-11 01:26 AM |
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I like to think of myself as a dispassionate observer of most things |
RZM |
Nov-21-11 01:47 AM |
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It's alright. Help for the 99% "person of the year" if you please.:-) |
Amonester |
Nov-21-11 01:59 AM |
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Sorry, I have to go for the Arab Springers |
RZM |
Nov-21-11 02:27 AM |
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This is the first thing Obama MUST do |
girl_interrupted |
Nov-21-11 02:01 AM |
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Perfect summary. |
saras |
Nov-21-11 02:26 AM |
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TY |
girl_interrupted |
Nov-21-11 03:32 AM |
#107 |
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