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Sun Nov-20-11 07:26 AM
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| 88. Just because "authorities" use it so much, does not mean |
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they succeeded. It all depends on the goal and the end result.
There is a difference between what happens when one country or group of people set out with the goal of exerting dominance over the other group of people. The goal there was never to win hearts and minds. Therefore, they can exert dominance over the other group of people all day long. They just create more enemies and dominate those enemies. That is why war is bullshit. It doesn't really "win" anything. It just exerts dominance over a group of people and makes them hate you more.
Nonviolence is usually used with the goal of showing the unwarranted violence of the other side. In the face of their violence, you practice nonviolence to show everyone who the real bad guys are. The UC Davis students have succeeded in that goal.
Violence begets more violence. Nonviolence, when practiced like it was at UC Davis, wins.
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| -Motherfuckers. |
WilliamPitt |
Nov-19-11 02:10 PM |
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I couldn't bear to watch it again. As Chris Hayes said, "like spraying cockroaches" nt |
gateley |
Nov-19-11 02:14 PM |
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Looks like the SS in Nazi Germany delighted in "Spraying the Jews." |
KoKo |
Nov-19-11 06:47 PM |
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scum |
The Blue Flower |
Nov-19-11 02:14 PM |
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HEY! that was once a Fetus you are spraying. nt |
Snotcicles |
Nov-19-11 05:30 PM |
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LOL of the day! n/t |
Mimosa |
Nov-19-11 06:22 PM |
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The fetus was born, though |
MedleyMisty |
Nov-20-11 02:01 AM |
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You win the award! |
Enthusiast |
Nov-20-11 07:51 AM |
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+1000 |
valerief |
Nov-20-11 12:16 PM |
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fatherfucker. nt |
femrap |
Nov-19-11 08:17 PM |
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Assault & Battery usually is thought to be a crime. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Nov-19-11 02:15 PM |
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How can they get away this this aggression? |
haikugal |
Nov-19-11 02:16 PM |
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Because We the People allow it. (NT) |
Tesha |
Nov-19-11 05:27 PM |
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I hope we stop this...NOW |
haikugal |
Nov-19-11 07:20 PM |
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Exactly... |
Magoo48 |
Nov-20-11 08:28 AM |
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Is that We the People or We the People(TM)? n/t |
xocet |
Nov-20-11 01:31 PM |
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because there were a lot of folks who thought it was a good idea |
SemperEadem |
Nov-20-11 10:10 AM |
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That was awesome |
Danascot |
Nov-20-11 10:50 AM |
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If only this were a new phenomenon |
DefenseLawyer |
Nov-20-11 11:09 AM |
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the people to whom I refer in this video can't remember that far back |
SemperEadem |
Nov-22-11 06:56 AM |
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unless you are a cop... |
awoke_in_2003 |
Nov-19-11 10:46 PM |
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I'd call it GBH - Grievous Bodily Harm. |
mwooldri |
Nov-20-11 11:33 AM |
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Outrageous. That picture (and the video) is SO telling about the state of affiars. nt |
Poll_Blind |
Nov-19-11 02:15 PM |
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Well, the locals seem to have decided how they will deal with constitutionally-protected |
indepat |
Nov-19-11 06:46 PM |
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The dox is up. Call Davis and report the crime. |
EFerrari |
Nov-19-11 02:15 PM |
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Pathetic bastards are nothing but bullies. nt |
nc4bo |
Nov-19-11 02:19 PM |
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Fascism cannot exist where there is an absence of bullies. |
Enthusiast |
Nov-20-11 07:54 AM |
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I salute the few and the brave who refused to move. |
Warren Stupidity |
Nov-19-11 02:20 PM |
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Yes they are. |
chill_wind |
Nov-19-11 02:27 PM |
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Nov-19-11 02:27 PM |
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You are totally missing the point of non violent protest. |
shraby |
Nov-19-11 02:29 PM |
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the point of nonviolence is to lose a dispute without fighting back. |
provis99 |
Nov-19-11 02:33 PM |
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The point of nonviolence is to show to the world exactly what your enemy is... |
JHB |
Nov-19-11 02:38 PM |
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+1,000 |
freshwest |
Nov-19-11 04:10 PM |
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well, since +1000 has been done... |
awoke_in_2003 |
Nov-19-11 10:48 PM |
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Name removed |
Nov-20-11 01:57 AM |
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Gandhi won. |
Jamastiene |
Nov-20-11 07:13 AM |
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While I agree with you, I'd point out that both Ghandi and King were assassinated. |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Nov-20-11 08:39 AM |
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They achieved their goals through nonviolence first though. n/t |
Jamastiene |
Nov-20-11 09:26 AM |
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It can be efficacious. |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Nov-20-11 02:39 PM |
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So did Julius Caesar and Abraham Lincoln who |
Shining Jack |
Nov-20-11 10:00 AM |
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Caesar and Lincoln were by no means non-violent. |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Nov-20-11 02:35 PM |
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Oops, sorry. |
Shining Jack |
Nov-21-11 08:12 AM |
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Really? |
baldguy |
Nov-20-11 09:58 AM |
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True. |
Jamastiene |
Nov-20-11 07:07 AM |
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Plus one! |
Enthusiast |
Nov-20-11 07:56 AM |
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Yes, and I'd say that the young students at UC Davis accomplished their goal! |
yardwork |
Nov-20-11 01:51 PM |
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Dupe |
JHB |
Nov-19-11 02:38 PM |
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grrr... |
Warren Stupidity |
Nov-19-11 02:40 PM |
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how's nonviolence working out for the Syrians? |
provis99 |
Nov-20-11 02:02 AM |
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We know what you are against, what do you propose? nm |
rhett o rick |
Nov-20-11 08:55 AM |
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Lose? Really? |
Rex |
Nov-19-11 02:52 PM |
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you can't name a single dispute won with nonviolence. Not one. |
provis99 |
Nov-20-11 01:57 AM |
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Sure I can. |
Rex |
Nov-20-11 03:22 AM |
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as I have stated several times, he threatened violence against the British |
provis99 |
Nov-20-11 08:46 PM |
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It doesn't say that at all at the link, stop lying just because |
Rex |
Nov-21-11 12:19 AM |
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read your own link, you twit. Here's the relevant quote even: |
provis99 |
Nov-21-11 01:53 AM |
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Are you kidding? |
Balderdash |
Nov-20-11 09:29 AM |
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Poland East Germany Hungary Czechoslovakia Ukraine ... |
Warren Stupidity |
Nov-20-11 11:36 AM |
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USSR had tank fire at the Kremlin. How is that nonviolent? |
provis99 |
Nov-20-11 08:42 PM |
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About that "Tank Fire" - that was the state - the former state. |
Warren Stupidity |
Nov-21-11 06:25 AM |
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so now you resort to "largely nonviolent". Way to move the goalposts, bub. |
provis99 |
Nov-21-11 08:03 PM |
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whatever. |
Warren Stupidity |
Nov-21-11 08:18 PM |
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Ceaucescu and his wife were both executed by firing squad |
hifiguy |
Nov-21-11 11:31 AM |
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Ceausescu and his wife were shot by a firing squad |
Art_from_Ark |
Nov-21-11 11:17 PM |
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MLK failed in Alabama, as he himself admitted. |
provis99 |
Nov-20-11 08:44 PM |
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Milosevic stepped down becaues of the mass protests |
TriplD |
Nov-20-11 11:00 AM |
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Milosevic was ovethrown by a military coup. |
provis99 |
Nov-20-11 08:44 PM |
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That is not your original assertion. |
WinkyDink |
Nov-20-11 01:50 PM |
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No, the point is NOT "TO LOSE A DISPUTE" at ALL. Good grief. |
WinkyDink |
Nov-20-11 01:49 PM |
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nonviolence has always resulted in its practicioners losing. |
provis99 |
Nov-20-11 08:46 PM |
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and when they bring out the |
ohheckyeah |
Nov-19-11 02:30 PM |
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Here's what would happen at that point |
lbrtbell |
Nov-19-11 02:40 PM |
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american cops seem to be really militarized in every way but discipline |
BOG PERSON |
Nov-19-11 04:55 PM |
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violence = FAIL |
eShirl |
Nov-19-11 02:40 PM |
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that's not always true |
BOG PERSON |
Nov-19-11 02:53 PM |
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Just because "authorities" use it so much, does not mean |
Jamastiene |
Nov-20-11 07:26 AM |
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Yeah. Gandhi should have kicked some ass too (nt) |
Nye Bevan |
Nov-19-11 02:47 PM |
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I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with your point... |
Bigmack |
Nov-19-11 03:00 PM |
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L-O-L if you think the behavior of the british in their colonies was "civilized" |
BOG PERSON |
Nov-19-11 03:10 PM |
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They let Ghandi live - there were no mass graves full of unknown Indians. nt |
hack89 |
Nov-19-11 05:39 PM |
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otoh there were dozens of famines under british rule |
BOG PERSON |
Nov-19-11 06:10 PM |
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But Gandhi won. |
hack89 |
Nov-19-11 06:13 PM |
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he didnt win anything. the british left because of (1) US pressure to decolonize after the war |
BOG PERSON |
Nov-19-11 06:20 PM |
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So Gandhi was a pee drinking mental case? OK. nt |
hack89 |
Nov-19-11 07:02 PM |
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You think Gandhi belonged in a mental institution? |
Jamastiene |
Nov-20-11 07:30 AM |
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listen: |
BOG PERSON |
Nov-20-11 10:28 AM |
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OMFG you know nothing! |
Warren Stupidity |
Nov-20-11 11:39 AM |
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That's why the Libyans went violent |
MedleyMisty |
Nov-19-11 03:15 PM |
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n/m |
BOG PERSON |
Nov-19-11 03:12 PM |
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Gandhi won because he threatened Britain with violence. |
provis99 |
Nov-20-11 02:01 AM |
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You are saying that Gandhi specifically threatened violence? Or he was going to help the Japanese? |
rhett o rick |
Nov-20-11 08:58 AM |
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yes, they are. |
provis99 |
Nov-20-11 08:38 PM |
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Please provide a link to show that Gandhi said he would ally with Japanese imperialists |
baldguy |
Nov-20-11 10:08 AM |
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You mean as in the film Gandhi II??? |
mwooldri |
Nov-20-11 01:42 PM |
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It is going viral. |
Fire Walk With Me |
Nov-19-11 02:31 PM |
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These young people have all my admiration. |
Turn CO Blue |
Nov-19-11 02:41 PM |
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They sat there and took it. |
MuseRider |
Nov-19-11 02:46 PM |
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That guy with the mace...he represents the 1% |
Rex |
Nov-19-11 02:49 PM |
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"Some are cops and some are fucking scumbag PIGS." |
awoke_in_2003 |
Nov-19-11 10:54 PM |
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Couldn't Agree More... K & R !!! |
WillyT |
Nov-19-11 02:59 PM |
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William, have you seen the end of the video? They make the cops back the fuck up. |
Fire Walk With Me |
Nov-19-11 03:01 PM |
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The one you posted is |
Gore1FL |
Nov-20-11 08:22 AM |
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That's right, we shouldn't glorify what the police did... |
AntiFascist |
Nov-20-11 02:05 PM |
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Calling lt. John Pike a Motherfucker is too kind... |
Pachamama |
Nov-19-11 03:13 PM |
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(((HUG))) |
WilliamPitt |
Nov-19-11 03:21 PM |
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You too.... |
Pachamama |
Nov-19-11 03:32 PM |
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chancellor is creating a task force to look into this |
IcyPeas |
Nov-19-11 03:13 PM |
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We don't need a "task force", we need a District Attorney. (NT) |
Tesha |
Nov-19-11 06:29 PM |
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Linda P.B. Katehi, the same Chanceller who directed the cops in? |
csziggy |
Nov-19-11 06:40 PM |
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I hate the title of your thread, but I have to agree with the sentiment. |
Uncle Joe |
Nov-19-11 03:20 PM |
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Tears flowing. |
BeHereNow |
Nov-19-11 05:28 PM |
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The Pix looks like Nazi SS Gassing the Jews...but this time "IN PUBLIC" |
KoKo |
Nov-19-11 06:51 PM |
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The police have no idea this is being photographed |
lunatica |
Nov-19-11 05:35 PM |
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Yeah they do, that is why they are trying so hard to make it illegal to videotape them |
Juche |
Nov-19-11 06:22 PM |
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saw this on the news. Can't believe this happened at a UC campus |
Liberal_in_LA |
Nov-19-11 06:23 PM |
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Those cops must be proud, eh? |
FlyByNight |
Nov-19-11 06:28 PM |
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Stormtroopers. n/t |
QC |
Nov-19-11 06:50 PM |
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Ugly & violent. However anyone still questioning why we choose a nonviolent response.. |
Dover |
Nov-19-11 06:56 PM |
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Looks like he's watering his houseplants. The banality of evil, personified. |
DirkGently |
Nov-19-11 07:00 PM |
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Nov-19-11 07:06 PM |
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Calmly and deliberately |
Canuckistanian |
Nov-19-11 07:08 PM |
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Has anyone been able to out him yet? |
flamingdem |
Nov-19-11 07:11 PM |
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here. |
lonestarnot |
Nov-20-11 08:05 AM |
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I wrote the UC police department |
Gore1FL |
Nov-20-11 08:28 AM |
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I can't believe that asshole |
Catherine Vincent |
Nov-19-11 07:33 PM |
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I suppose we should be happy that they didn't go all Kent State on em. |
L0oniX |
Nov-19-11 08:50 PM |
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Just once, I'd love to see 500 protesters pull out their OWN mace and spray the cops. |
BigBearJohn |
Nov-19-11 08:54 PM |
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It's getting to that point. |
WilliamPitt |
Nov-19-11 09:53 PM |
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Fact: This thing keeps growing because they would never do that. |
JackRiddler |
Nov-20-11 10:17 AM |
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Goons for the 1% |
jbpdx |
Nov-19-11 09:06 PM |
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Thank you so much for the magnificent photo-op, Lt. Pike. |
GliderGuider |
Nov-19-11 10:56 PM |
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Can we publish that scumsucking coward's |
cliffordu |
Nov-20-11 02:24 AM |
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Here ya go |
BadDog40 |
Nov-20-11 02:40 AM |
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Disgusting! Those police officers should be ASHAMED of themselves! |
BillyJack |
Nov-20-11 03:46 AM |
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They're not ashamed, I'll bet they masturbated while they thinking all about that night. |
W T F |
Nov-20-11 12:52 PM |
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Well, that takes no ballz. What does he do for an encore, push little girls down and taunt them? |
Major Hogwash |
Nov-20-11 04:50 AM |
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Here's his encore. A minute later he grabbed one of the girls and sprayed her in the face again. |
Prometheus Bound |
Nov-20-11 04:55 AM |
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this fucker needs to be in jail for assault. |
bowens43 |
Nov-20-11 07:03 AM |
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Long version |
tama |
Nov-20-11 07:12 AM |
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Wait and see what happens when the Republicans privatize police... |
Evasporque |
Nov-20-11 07:44 AM |
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Oh Lt John Pike are you proud of what you did ? |
april |
Nov-20-11 08:04 AM |
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You know - it doesn't surprise me even a little bit |
jimlup |
Nov-20-11 08:25 AM |
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I bet his glorious day continued when he got home |
golddigger |
Nov-20-11 08:28 AM |
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They published his address above. |
bengalherder |
Nov-20-11 12:42 PM |
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Criminal. |
blackspade |
Nov-20-11 08:33 AM |
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I hope that they fire him |
Stuart G |
Nov-20-11 01:10 PM |
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That is wrong. |
DCBob |
Nov-20-11 08:45 AM |
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This will just bring more people into the streets. |
felix_numinous |
Nov-20-11 08:56 AM |
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livin in Amerika today |
bluedave |
Nov-20-11 09:34 AM |
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Too bad abortion can't be retroactive |
RoccoR5955 |
Nov-20-11 09:47 AM |
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All of those cops need a massive ass-beating! |
Darkhawk32 |
Nov-20-11 09:59 AM |
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The Motherfuckers will continue to get away with it. Why? Because |
girl_interrupted |
Nov-20-11 10:02 AM |
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If the police enforced banking regulation and anti-trust laws as aggressively..... |
W T F |
Nov-20-11 12:46 PM |
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Looks like the President is more concerned |
The Wizard |
Nov-20-11 01:20 PM |
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+1000 |
Katie |
Nov-20-11 02:53 PM |
#147 |
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Would you like to donate to the FOP Christmas Drive today? |
Hubert Flottz |
Nov-20-11 10:28 AM |
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excuse me? |
Supply Side Jesus |
Nov-21-11 02:18 AM |
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Okay I'll excuse you... |
Hubert Flottz |
Nov-21-11 05:59 AM |
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someone has to keep a level head |
Supply Side Jesus |
Nov-21-11 11:15 AM |
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Jack Booted Thugs. In America. This is Law Enforcement??? |
Martin Eden |
Nov-20-11 10:39 AM |
#120 |
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motherfuckers are exactly correct. Share it w your networks. |
mod mom |
Nov-20-11 12:59 PM |
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You know why not. |
Kaleko |
Nov-20-11 01:38 PM |
#137 |
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Two words: Black. Water. Or perhaps: Homeland. Security. |
WinkyDink |
Nov-20-11 01:52 PM |
#142 |
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That's torture and calls for jail time |
Auggie |
Nov-20-11 11:02 AM |
#123 |
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Yep. |
Amonester |
Nov-20-11 01:02 PM |
#133 |
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no it isn't |
Supply Side Jesus |
Nov-21-11 02:19 AM |
#160 |
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So, given this is happening with Obama administration acquiescence if not direct orders |
wial |
Nov-20-11 02:21 PM |
#144 |
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k and r nt |
Stuart G |
Nov-20-11 04:13 PM |
#148 |
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Soon it will be flame throwers and we will long for the days of pepper spray ! |
RagAss |
Nov-20-11 08:45 PM |
#153 |
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Lt. Pike travels back in time: |
Fire Walk With Me |
Nov-20-11 08:46 PM |
#155 |
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I love these Pike artworks |
deutsey |
Nov-21-11 08:00 AM |
#163 |
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