MineralMan
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Thu Nov-17-11 01:21 PM
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| OWS is doing a good job of making people aware that there |
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Edited on Thu Nov-17-11 01:23 PM by MineralMan
are problems. They're forcing the media to discuss those problems. However, I'm concerned about one thing. From polls taken at Ocuppy sites, it appears that a sizable percentage of Occupiers did not vote in 2008 and are saying they don't plan to vote in 2012. If they do not, and if they encourage others to forego voting in 2012, they will disenfranchise themselves and potentially defeat their own purpose.
Elections aren't just about the Presidency. They are about all levels of legislation and governance. Skipping elections is not a strategy for success. It is voluntary disenfranchisement.
Occupiers need to vote. We all need to vote. In fact, we need to do more, by participating in the process by which candidates are chosen for the general election. That process is underway in some jurisdictions and will get underway soon in others. If we want good people in our government, we must work to get them there. Any other course is simply to allow what happens to happen. If we do not participate fully, we have only a tiny voice that will go unheard in the noise.
Please, everyone - do not disenfranchise yourselves. Rather, begin now to select candidates who will do what you want. It is the only way the changes we all need will take place.
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| -OWS is doing a good job of making people aware that there |
MineralMan |
Nov-17-11 01:21 PM |
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Were they old enough to vote in 2008? Besides, as long as there's money in election and proprietary |
valerief |
Nov-17-11 01:23 PM |
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From what I can see, yes, they were mostly old enough to |
MineralMan |
Nov-17-11 01:29 PM |
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Voting still matters. Outrage isn't enough. n/t |
pnwmom |
Nov-17-11 01:53 PM |
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It would be a disaster if people chose not to vote |
flamingdem |
Nov-17-11 01:26 PM |
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I'm hoping that's not a wide-spread sentiment |
arcane1 |
Nov-17-11 01:28 PM |
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I'm just going by some polls that were taken of the actual |
MineralMan |
Nov-17-11 01:32 PM |
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Can you share any of these polls so other can see the stats? |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-17-11 02:04 PM |
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They were posted here on DU. As such, they became part of |
MineralMan |
Nov-17-11 02:09 PM |
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So you can not actually cite them. Nor quote them. Nor name |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-17-11 02:16 PM |
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Here's a cite: |
MineralMan |
Nov-17-11 03:18 PM |
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OK, here's a cite: |
MineralMan |
Nov-17-11 03:33 PM |
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+1 Voting can have a positive impact in a very short time. nt/ |
Scuba |
Nov-17-11 01:33 PM |
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What has been the positive impact of voters throwing the GOP out in 2006 & 2008? |
leftstreet |
Nov-17-11 01:34 PM |
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I'm not going to post the list. |
MineralMan |
Nov-17-11 01:35 PM |
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It was undone by voters letting the GOP back in in 2010. |
pnwmom |
Nov-17-11 01:55 PM |
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If we could have just kept the GOP out, we'd have Single Payer healthcare now |
leftstreet |
Nov-17-11 01:59 PM |
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Yes, it can. I'm hoping it does exactly that, and in the correct |
MineralMan |
Nov-17-11 01:34 PM |
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Doesn't exactly coincide with their message that the system is corrupt.. |
Fumesucker |
Nov-17-11 01:29 PM |
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! |
leftstreet |
Nov-17-11 01:30 PM |
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I suggest you review the results of the 2011 election. |
MineralMan |
Nov-17-11 01:33 PM |
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Bad cop, good cop.. |
Fumesucker |
Nov-17-11 01:37 PM |
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OK. Whatever you say. |
MineralMan |
Nov-17-11 01:53 PM |
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It's legal in the US for a corporation to give money to a politician in order to secure his/her vote |
Romulox |
Nov-17-11 01:37 PM |
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It is. We have the SCOTUS to blame for that. |
MineralMan |
Nov-17-11 01:44 PM |
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That's why we need the next appointments to be made by a Democratic President. |
pnwmom |
Nov-17-11 01:56 PM |
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Precisely. I'd like to see the next several appointments made |
MineralMan |
Nov-17-11 01:58 PM |
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Agreed. At the very least, IMO, we need to recognize that |
Zorra |
Nov-17-11 01:39 PM |
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I almost hate to say this... and I am not advocating anything... |
redqueen |
Nov-17-11 01:41 PM |
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You know, I'm not sure we have time for that, really. |
MineralMan |
Nov-17-11 01:52 PM |
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You must be one of those "natural leaders"... |
Fumesucker |
Nov-17-11 01:58 PM |
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Am I? I'm capable of making myself understood, it's true. |
MineralMan |
Nov-17-11 02:06 PM |
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The last organization I was part of was band boosters for my daughter's HS.. |
Fumesucker |
Nov-17-11 02:20 PM |
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Political organizations require communication. I'm not sure what |
MineralMan |
Nov-17-11 03:32 PM |
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Political organizations also require grunt work.. |
Fumesucker |
Nov-17-11 04:21 PM |
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If you want to influence an organization, there's a certain amount |
MineralMan |
Nov-17-11 06:58 PM |
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There are certain types of people who are entrenched... |
redqueen |
Nov-17-11 02:08 PM |
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I wouldn't really judge that as being the cause of the New Deal... |
ellisonz |
Nov-17-11 02:31 PM |
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They took the planks. |
redqueen |
Nov-17-11 02:51 PM |
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You're mixing terms... |
ellisonz |
Nov-17-11 03:11 PM |
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K&R... |
SidDithers |
Nov-17-11 01:56 PM |
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Why don't you cite or name these polls you see? |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-17-11 02:08 PM |
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They were posted here on DU. |
MineralMan |
Nov-17-11 02:11 PM |
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Well then we can not discuss them. |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-17-11 02:35 PM |
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That's why I didn't put specific number in my post. |
MineralMan |
Nov-17-11 03:17 PM |
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OK, here's a cite: |
MineralMan |
Nov-17-11 03:30 PM |
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Maybe they have a better idea than voting. |
izquierdista |
Nov-17-11 02:17 PM |
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That works in small groups...sometimes. |
MineralMan |
Nov-17-11 07:02 PM |
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Great post. |
Wait Wut |
Nov-17-11 02:18 PM |
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Unrec for careless slander of a movement that is generating activism |
EFerrari |
Nov-17-11 02:40 PM |
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I made no slander at all. |
MineralMan |
Nov-17-11 03:34 PM |
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Unrec - changes can happen outside the voting booth. |
TBF |
Nov-17-11 03:20 PM |
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You may notice that those people are armed. |
MineralMan |
Nov-17-11 03:54 PM |
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Personally I would not like to see it - |
TBF |
Nov-17-11 04:21 PM |
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K&R. Your message is important. |
great white snark |
Nov-17-11 04:34 PM |
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