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52. Apparently asking for specificity = fascism.
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  -What is the purpose of OWS, if not to send a message? pnwmom  Nov-16-11 04:46 PM   #0 
  - You haven't figured it out yet?  mmonk   Nov-16-11 04:48 PM   #1 
  - Apparently you haven't either. nt  pnwmom   Nov-16-11 04:48 PM   #2 
     - Your judgment is off.  mmonk   Nov-16-11 04:50 PM   #5 
     - When we demonstrated against the Vietnam War, it was clear to everyone  pnwmom   Nov-16-11 04:58 PM   #16 
        - Oh it is very clear  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 05:07 PM   #30 
        - This  Nuclear Unicorn   Nov-16-11 05:24 PM   #44 
        - The system is broken.  procon   Nov-16-11 06:02 PM   #62 
        - Silly, it's about "Free Mumia". I get your point and agree. But a lot of DU'ers  KittyWampus   Nov-17-11 08:58 AM   #135 
     - If you have to ask then you just aren't cool enough...  Cid_B   Nov-16-11 05:01 PM   #21 
        - I think there would be more support from the broader public if there could be a strong message about  pnwmom   Nov-16-11 05:02 PM   #23 
        - There is  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 05:08 PM   #31 
        - What is unclear about ECONOMIC JUSTICE  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 05:05 PM   #26 
           - What is clear about marching for better public education, and then  Common Sense Party   Nov-16-11 05:35 PM   #50 
           - Let me connect a dot for ya  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 06:01 PM   #61 
              - Why do you say "sadly." Part of any movement's job is education,  pnwmom   Nov-16-11 10:25 PM   #122 
           - Fine.. It's like the Bible...  Cid_B   Nov-16-11 09:11 PM   #112 
              - It's a smorgasbord, a hodge-podge.  Common Sense Party   Nov-16-11 10:32 PM   #123 
  - It seems clear enough  H2O Man   Nov-16-11 04:49 PM   #3 
  - +1  PETRUS   Nov-16-11 04:50 PM   #6 
  - In real life I have met two  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 04:51 PM   #7 
  - Then what is it? I haven't seen any consistent message or terms  pnwmom   Nov-16-11 04:51 PM   #8 
  - The PRESS will not tell you this, serious  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 04:57 PM   #13 
  - Yes, it is different but the people in the streets are people without hope, without a future,  CTyankee   Nov-16-11 04:57 PM   #14 
  - why should folks get answered like this?  bigtree   Nov-17-11 07:11 AM   #131 
  - Let me give you some specifics  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 04:50 PM   #4 
  - Reinstate Glass Steagall.  mmonk   Nov-16-11 04:53 PM   #9 
  - See what I mean? The movement lacks a coherent message. n/t  pnwmom   Nov-16-11 04:57 PM   #12 
     - No I don't see.  mmonk   Nov-16-11 04:59 PM   #17 
        - That's not what all of its supporters say, as was just shown here.  pnwmom   Nov-16-11 05:00 PM   #19 
           - OWS needs a friendly media  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 05:03 PM   #24 
  - Why would they want to end Glass Steagall? It was repealed in the 1990's.  pnwmom   Nov-16-11 04:56 PM   #11 
  - Reinstate it  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 04:58 PM   #15 
     - That isn't what you said. n/t  pnwmom   Nov-16-11 04:59 PM   #18 
        - I just edited it  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 05:01 PM   #22 
           - But there is disagreement in the movement about how organized to get  pnwmom   Nov-16-11 05:05 PM   #25 
              - Two things I will predict here, actually three  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 05:11 PM   #35 
  - I'd like to, but I can't afford to drive there :-(  lbrtbell   Nov-16-11 05:09 PM   #32 
     - I understand  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 05:18 PM   #38 
  - I think the message isn't muddled  Courtesy Flush   Nov-16-11 04:55 PM   #10 
  - message  Enrique   Nov-16-11 05:00 PM   #20 
  - Wide ranging financial inequality and joblessness, homelessness and growing poverty  lunatica   Nov-16-11 05:05 PM   #27 
  - Their message IS clear -- apparently it is so clear....  Hell Hath No Fury   Nov-16-11 05:05 PM   #28 
  - I think that is the crux of the problem. "Fairness" isn't a very definable goal.  pnwmom   Nov-16-11 05:11 PM   #34 
     - Actually it is a VERY definable goal.  Hell Hath No Fury   Nov-16-11 05:13 PM   #36 
        - No, that's not. In the view of some Americans (not me)  pnwmom   Nov-16-11 05:21 PM   #40 
           - Apparently asking for specificity = fascism.  Common Sense Party   Nov-16-11 05:36 PM   #52 
              - I gave you specifics on this thread  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 05:52 PM   #55 
                 - Those are YOUR specifics. But since there is no coordinated effort,  pnwmom   Nov-16-11 06:06 PM   #64 
                    - "...there is no coordinated effort..."  Hell Hath No Fury   Nov-16-11 06:09 PM   #67 
                    - Do you even understand how the movement works?  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 06:14 PM   #68 
                       - Great. Could you give me a link for that?  pnwmom   Nov-16-11 06:25 PM   #70 
                          - Yup  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 06:27 PM   #72 
                             - I don't see any list of particular goals on that site, which identifies itself  pnwmom   Nov-16-11 06:40 PM   #80 
                                - Leaderless resistance  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 06:42 PM   #85 
                                   - sorry but it seems more like "everyone else is clueless....  vcc   Nov-16-11 06:48 PM   #92 
                                      - really... ok  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 06:51 PM   #94 
                                         - not everyone who takes issue and has questions is a philistine...  vcc   Nov-16-11 07:07 PM   #101 
                                            - No, we have tried to answer questions  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 07:12 PM   #102 
                                            - it's not clear because there are no specific terms....  vcc   Nov-16-11 07:24 PM   #106 
                                            - I posted a partial list that falls in that rubric  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 07:28 PM   #108 
                                            - No matter how many times you repeat it, "Economic justice" is not specific enough  pnwmom   Nov-16-11 10:14 PM   #116 
                                            - Welcome to DU, vcc! n/t  pnwmom   Nov-16-11 10:13 PM   #115 
  - The government isn't of, by, and for the people.  Capitalocracy   Nov-16-11 05:07 PM   #29 
  - IMO, the Primary Purpose *Is* to Send a Message  On the Road   Nov-16-11 05:10 PM   #33 
  - Finally, someone who understands what I was trying to say.  pnwmom   Nov-16-11 05:17 PM   #37 
  - You do realize Labor has become a strong ally  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 05:21 PM   #41 
  - Yes. And I am a donating supporter. But I think they need to be more organized  pnwmom   Nov-16-11 05:22 PM   #42 
     - They are  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 05:29 PM   #48 
  - I think the message is simply Change  Hangingon   Nov-16-11 05:47 PM   #53 
     - And lack of response from the powers that be will be  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 05:55 PM   #57 
     - And lack of response from the powers that be will be  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 05:55 PM   #58 
        - I think many posters have said a clear message is needed.  Hangingon   Nov-16-11 06:35 PM   #77 
           - many by my count  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 06:43 PM   #87 
              - Good for you. 5 is "many". That is just precious.  Hangingon   Nov-16-11 06:57 PM   #98 
              - how many more are intimidated away from questions by the arrogant answers  bigtree   Nov-17-11 07:24 AM   #132 
  - What is so not clear about reinstate Glass Steagall?  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 05:20 PM   #39 
  - As you know, you originally said the opposite -- so it didn't seem that clear.  pnwmom   Nov-16-11 05:25 PM   #45 
  - I gave you that as the list  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 05:26 PM   #46 
  - Reinstating Glass-Steagall is Good  On the Road   Nov-16-11 05:50 PM   #54 
     - No, what should jump at you is medicare for all  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 05:53 PM   #56 
  - +1  vcc   Nov-16-11 05:24 PM   #43 
  - At some point you have to also be willing to make a small effort..  girl gone mad   Nov-16-11 05:35 PM   #51 
  - How much clearer could it possibly be?  girl gone mad   Nov-16-11 05:26 PM   #47 
  - What part of "These people ARE the Public" do you not understand?  Lyric   Nov-16-11 05:32 PM   #49 
  - Then what is their message?  pnwmom   Nov-16-11 05:57 PM   #59 
     - You are being purposefully obtuse.  Hell Hath No Fury   Nov-16-11 06:05 PM   #63 
     - looks more like s/he's being purposely railroaded.  vcc   Nov-16-11 06:51 PM   #95 
        - Hardly.  Hell Hath No Fury   Nov-16-11 07:04 PM   #100 
     - Oh, pnwmom...  randome   Nov-16-11 06:08 PM   #66 
     - The message is the rich are screwing us and they own the political process in this country.  MilesColtrane   Nov-16-11 07:21 PM   #104 
  - The message is economic injustice...  Spazito   Nov-16-11 06:00 PM   #60 
  - End corporate personhood, stop corporate capture of government, end too big to fail,  TheKentuckian   Nov-16-11 06:07 PM   #65 
  - I'm not belittling your list. Not at all.  randome   Nov-16-11 06:24 PM   #69 
     - If it is pushed underground  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 06:26 PM   #71 
        - Not everyone can drop what they're doing and go 'occupy' a public park.  randome   Nov-16-11 06:32 PM   #74 
           - Oh it is political  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 06:40 PM   #82 
              - It's daughters. Plural. Twins.  randome   Nov-16-11 06:44 PM   #88 
                 - I have explained what this is about  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 06:46 PM   #89 
  - OWS is protesting economic inequality -  TBF   Nov-16-11 06:28 PM   #73 
  - So you think we're simply not thinking clearly?  randome   Nov-16-11 06:34 PM   #76 
  - Oh I think you are thinking quite clearly - and doing your best to fight OWS. That is what I think.  TBF   Nov-16-11 06:41 PM   #83 
  - Damn! The conspiracy's been broken wide open!  randome   Nov-16-11 06:48 PM   #91 
     - There is also the possibility that posts are being coordinated for other reasons. nt  TBF   Nov-16-11 06:49 PM   #93 
        - And there is the possibility that you are mistaken.  randome   Nov-16-11 07:00 PM   #99 
  - I have found very few people who don't understand the message behind OWS...  Spazito   Nov-16-11 06:46 PM   #90 
  - Someone else here just said the key issue is Single Payer.  pnwmom   Nov-16-11 10:22 PM   #120 
  - I think what they want is clear but how to get those things is not. They  jwirr   Nov-16-11 06:34 PM   #75 
  - it needs to be figured out and airtight before they tell people to...  vcc   Nov-16-11 07:22 PM   #105 
  - To provide an opportunity for the expression of concern. n/t  gkhouston   Nov-16-11 06:35 PM   #78 
  - Oh, I'm so sorry; have you been in a coma? Or in a  Zorra   Nov-16-11 06:37 PM   #79 
  - 'Economic Injustice' means a thousand different things to a thousand different people.  randome   Nov-16-11 06:40 PM   #81 
     - never mind. nt  TBF   Nov-16-11 06:43 PM   #86 
     - Epic Fail. This silly line of BS is getting very stale. We weren't born yesterday.  Zorra   Nov-16-11 06:54 PM   #96 
        - 'Denigrate'?  randome   Nov-16-11 06:57 PM   #97 
           - Any "movement" that bristles and cannot withstand simple inquiries  Common Sense Party   Nov-17-11 01:19 AM   #125 
  - Someone at one of the Occupy sites had a sign that said "I don't mind that you have money; I mind  applegrove   Nov-16-11 06:42 PM   #84 
  - There are basically two demands the 99% is making of the 1%:  Raksha   Nov-16-11 07:14 PM   #103 
  - Now you've added 'environment' to the mix.  randome   Nov-16-11 07:27 PM   #107 
     - It isn't actually "added to the mix" but an intrinsic part of it,  Raksha   Nov-16-11 07:48 PM   #110 
     - They are just different ways of saying the same thing.  girl gone mad   Nov-16-11 09:18 PM   #113 
  - OWS Demands (From OWS itself)  mmonk   Nov-16-11 07:41 PM   #109 
  - Oh wait they do?  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 07:52 PM   #111 
  - Yes, I would like a link. Do you have one? n/t  pnwmom   Nov-16-11 10:16 PM   #118 
  - All they have to do is go to the Occupy web site themselves.  mmonk   Nov-17-11 07:11 AM   #130 
  - But there is no "OWS itself." There are many groups meeting under that name,  pnwmom   Nov-16-11 10:16 PM   #117 
  - The GA from New York.  mmonk   Nov-17-11 06:52 AM   #126 
  - Okay, some specifics. WHOSE demands are these? Which one of  Common Sense Party   Nov-16-11 10:38 PM   #124 
  - The GA in New York.  mmonk   Nov-17-11 06:53 AM   #127 
     - Who don't speak for all the other Occupy actions nationwide.  Common Sense Party   Nov-17-11 08:55 AM   #134 
  - thanks for taking the time to post this  bigtree   Nov-17-11 07:01 AM   #129 
  - The message that can be taken away from the Occupy movement...  Umbral   Nov-16-11 09:23 PM   #114 
  - To BE the change we cannot get from existing systems.  Fire Walk With Me   Nov-16-11 10:17 PM   #119 
  - Really? You're admitting that you don't have a clue...  ClassWarrior   Nov-16-11 10:22 PM   #121 
     - to me, it's just ignorant when someone asks this question and gets ridiculed  bigtree   Nov-17-11 06:59 AM   #128 
        - You're right, I should be spending my time explaining progressive values to someone...  ClassWarrior   Nov-17-11 08:32 AM   #133 
           - That sums it up  Harmony Blue   Nov-17-11 08:59 AM   #136 
           - And yet you claim to speak for all progressives.  randome   Nov-17-11 09:00 AM   #137 
              - I do? Where?  ClassWarrior   Nov-17-11 09:27 AM   #138 
              - Okay Randome  Harmony Blue   Nov-17-11 09:37 AM   #139 
                 - So the purpose of OWS is to define progressive values now?  randome   Nov-17-11 09:44 AM   #140 

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