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robdogbucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 11:56 AM
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27. Well, kinda, the CIA got it from Sandoz in Switzerland and continued
with the MKUltra experiments pioneered by the Nazis using the drug LSD and others in mind control experiments. Unfortunately, word of LSD's possible pleasures, and the recipe to make it, landed in Ken Kesey's lap (he was a member of the Stanford project by CIA with LSD and stole lots of it from their labs). Then Owsley Stanley, who had dabbled in it and found it to hold profound promise for insight and change, started to manufacture massive amounts for the local, Bay Area scene. Within two years of that, lots of others got the recipe and started to manufacture it.

The CIA introduced it for sure, but the people grabbed it and well, the rest is history. Kesey had some regrets for introducing it and encouraging its use, as he saw how in this culture a substance with so much potential for change could be subverted and abused. He ended up with the insight that historical innovators sometimes have to break the mold and regrettably a few fragile minds as well. He saw himself as an agent of change, which history does not always view with favor.

As for the police infiltrators? As old as the organizations they infiltrate. Nothing new here. In Madison in the 60s, the local police inflitrated the student anti-war movement and one cell got involved in a shootout where one of their own was wounded I believe, which uncovered their program to do this at that time. They were called "affinity groups." The cell that was responsible for the bombing there of Sterling Hall in 1970, actually sought advice as to the technical aspects of the bomb-making from a person that was actually a police informant. Curious, no?

Just my dos centavos


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  - K&R nt  gateley   Nov-15-11 09:58 PM   #1 
  - Good to consider--and remember...  hlthe2b   Nov-15-11 10:01 PM   #2 
  - Thank you.  PETRUS   Nov-15-11 10:11 PM   #3 
  - anyone can be an agent provocateur, not just law enforcement.  vcc   Nov-15-11 10:17 PM   #4 
  - Yep.  mmonk   Nov-15-11 10:25 PM   #5 
  - Thanks much for that...DU's historians are invaluable.  Fire Walk With Me   Nov-15-11 10:28 PM   #6 
  - Can you share that screenshot?  FunMe   Nov-16-11 02:55 PM   #39 
     - I saw that incident.  emcguffie   Nov-16-11 07:05 PM   #50 
  - Fantastic post.  Arctic Dave   Nov-16-11 12:02 AM   #7 
  - and what about LSD?  AntiFascist   Nov-16-11 12:16 AM   #8 
     - Well, kinda, the CIA got it from Sandoz in Switzerland and continued  robdogbucky   Nov-16-11 11:56 AM   #27 
        - When I was at Berkeley...  AntiFascist   Nov-16-11 12:50 PM   #30 
  - Action plan.  MedicalAdmin   Nov-16-11 03:44 AM   #9 
  - Defenestration  SoDesuKa   Nov-16-11 04:50 AM   #13 
     - I have a vision in my head of occupied buildings ...  MedicalAdmin   Nov-17-11 10:05 AM   #61 
  - Most excellent Waterman  malaise   Nov-16-11 04:04 AM   #10 
  - K & R - I'm going to email your post to my daughter  Raksha   Nov-16-11 04:27 AM   #11 
  - Agent Pax  SpiralHawk   Nov-16-11 04:42 AM   #12 
  - Thanks Waterman. You said it much better than I ever could have.  formercia   Nov-16-11 06:53 AM   #14 
  - K&R  KoKo   Nov-16-11 07:57 AM   #15 
  - Thanks  lunatica   Nov-16-11 08:06 AM   #16 
  - K&R. Well said.  Overseas   Nov-16-11 08:09 AM   #17 
  - Highly recomended....a must read for young occupiers.  zeemike   Nov-16-11 10:19 AM   #18 
  - Some of the more  H2O Man   Nov-16-11 11:27 AM   #21 
  - Nowadays you can do background checks on anyone  FunMe   Nov-16-11 03:08 PM   #42 
  - Very unresting but not surprising.  zeemike   Nov-16-11 07:57 PM   #51 
  - +1  Zorra   Nov-17-11 03:36 PM   #66 
  - K&R n/t  myrna minx   Nov-16-11 10:27 AM   #19 
  - I wish your post could go viral, there's so much truth in it  nc4bo   Nov-16-11 11:14 AM   #20 
  - As with anything  H2O Man   Nov-16-11 11:29 AM   #22 
  - K&R  Hell Hath No Fury   Nov-16-11 11:32 AM   #23 
  - Here's a report from "Business Insider" of possible infiltration...  KoKo   Nov-16-11 11:46 AM   #24 
  - How to out APs  azureblue   Nov-16-11 11:48 AM   #25 
  - thank you!  G_j   Nov-16-11 11:49 AM   #26 
  - None of this would be nearly as effective without the assistance of the media  robdogbucky   Nov-16-11 11:58 AM   #28 
  - There may be another type of "Inside Job" going on now  Jim_Shorts   Nov-16-11 12:19 PM   #29 
  - I posted Dan Siegel's comment on "fusion centers" possibly being involved on another thread  suffragette   Nov-16-11 12:56 PM   #31 
  - That should be an OP suffragette.  sabrina 1   Nov-16-11 01:31 PM   #33 
     - Thanks. I'll make it one later tonight.  suffragette   Nov-16-11 01:42 PM   #34 
  - K&R'd & bookmarked.  snot   Nov-16-11 01:30 PM   #32 
  - K&R  Zorra   Nov-16-11 01:50 PM   #35 
  - Excellent statement  RoccoR5955   Nov-16-11 02:12 PM   #36 
  - A big thank you.  russspeakeasy   Nov-16-11 02:20 PM   #37 
  - kicked  Blue_Tires   Nov-16-11 02:29 PM   #38 
  - K&R  Ignis   Nov-16-11 02:57 PM   #40 
  - these days provocatuers and their actions can be broadcast over 1000 radio stations  certainot   Nov-16-11 02:58 PM   #41 
  - I'd like to  H2O Man   Nov-16-11 04:06 PM   #43 
  - K&R nt  Enthusiast   Nov-16-11 05:00 PM   #44 
  - But...But....  unionworks   Nov-16-11 05:08 PM   #45 
  - Something that should be mentioned...  Mopar151   Nov-16-11 05:12 PM   #46 
  - K&R an excellent post!!!!  Mimosa   Nov-16-11 05:14 PM   #47 
  - Every time I read a thread of yours, I learn something  fascisthunter   Nov-16-11 06:35 PM   #48 
  - _^_  Zorra   Nov-16-11 07:01 PM   #49 
  - K&R  burrowowl   Nov-16-11 08:33 PM   #52 
  - pretend to be very left-wing; and then seek to disrupt and/or discredit  7wo7rees   Nov-16-11 08:47 PM   #53 
  - K&R  Auggie   Nov-16-11 09:33 PM   #54 
  - We have no change. it was all a lie.  Jakes Progress   Nov-16-11 09:35 PM   #55 
  - I had my run-ins with the FBI and their APs, as well, in my college days. Learned a lot  leveymg   Nov-16-11 09:51 PM   #56 
  - Beautifully written with lots of important info.  Wind Dancer   Nov-16-11 09:53 PM   #57 
  - You know a lot about our past  bluesmail   Nov-16-11 10:15 PM   #58 
  - thank you for an informtive post  FirstLight   Nov-16-11 10:19 PM   #59 
  - the group in 911 with the Deputy.. Peace Fresno  annm4peace   Nov-16-11 10:27 PM   #60 
  - kick  Zorra   Nov-17-11 12:28 PM   #62 
  - Yesterday someone posted to twitter a warning that Brandon Darby  EFerrari   Nov-17-11 12:50 PM   #63 
  - Not just for police and the FBI/CIA anymore! Now it is politician approved.  Rex   Nov-17-11 12:52 PM   #64 
  - A founder of "we are change" filming outside the park in NYC  EFerrari   Nov-17-11 01:32 PM   #65 
  - sorry to nitpick or serve as the spelling/grammar police  Remember Me   Nov-17-11 06:51 PM   #67 

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