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9. For Europeans, NOLA and San Francisco tend to be the two key cities...
Edited on Mon Nov-14-11 04:59 AM by hlthe2b
that seem to be historically and culturally important. I can see that, having spent some considerable time in Europe, Asia and the Middle East.

Yes, NOLA is a city of excesses and puts those excesses on full public display, but one hardly has to delve too deep within most US cities to see the same (or "worse," depending on your POV). The music is integral to NOLA culture and one does not get much of the music without the accompanying factors, which includes the bars and sometimes the seedier side of the culture. Does one get jazz from the 1920s without the Speak Easys, Big Band music without the pain of the depression and resiliency post WWII? Rap without the devastation and violence/pain of minorities in the inner cities? I think you miss a critical human factor that creates the culture. One certainly need be nothing more than a spectator to the excesses, but to understand the history and culture, you really can not sanitize it.

My sister never feels more alive than she does in NOLA and she does not drink alcohol, smoke nor partake of any of the other vices, sans the music, history and atmosphere. The entire myriad of culture and history--both good and bad "JUJU" as you will--

I don't know where you are from, but I would be curious how much you have traveled... :shrug:
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  -Do you feel bad vibes in the French Quarter? Manifestor_of_Light  Nov-14-11 02:09 AM   #0 
  - Expensive stuff for the rich = good juju. Cheap diversions for the rest of us = bad juju.  Luminous Animal   Nov-14-11 02:17 AM   #1 
  - Coastal towns like NOLA, Savannah and Charleston have more equality for the rich, poor, middle class  Mimosa   Nov-14-11 03:59 AM   #7 
  - Yeah, it really sounds like a pro-gentrification screed more than anything else.  Withywindle   Nov-16-11 12:30 AM   #142 
  - I think it's one of the nicest places I've been.  jobycom   Nov-14-11 02:20 AM   #2 
  - Thank you for saying so!  Huey P. Long   Nov-15-11 10:50 AM   #92 
     - My parents grew up there.  jobycom   Nov-15-11 12:16 PM   #99 
  - First, New Orleans is more than the French Quarter.  Behind the Aegis   Nov-14-11 03:19 AM   #3 
  - ...and you helped BabyG and I fall in love with it too! You were an  ScreamingMeemie   Nov-14-11 01:44 PM   #25 
  - I am so glad!  Behind the Aegis   Nov-14-11 03:31 PM   #47 
  - New Orleans is the secret heart of the USA  flamingdem   Nov-14-11 11:20 PM   #65 
  - And the birthplace of JAZZ!  Mimosa   Nov-15-11 06:40 PM   #133 
     - SO true! We don't know how to properly treasure NO here in the USA  flamingdem   Nov-15-11 08:00 PM   #138 
     - I just had to turn on some Randy Newman  madokie   Nov-16-11 05:53 PM   #180 
  - you are the man i want. i have another question. i have decided to get into NO before  seabeyond   Nov-16-11 11:03 AM   #172 
  - That area is the Faubourg Marigny (or the Marigny). That's my old neighborhood.  Behind the Aegis   Nov-16-11 04:41 PM   #176 
     - love you. thanks. gonna check some stuff out. sooooo, appreciate. nt  seabeyond   Nov-16-11 05:20 PM   #177 
  - Wish I could recommend your response.  Wind Dancer   Nov-16-11 11:18 AM   #174 
  - zOMG, it seems that juju has some kind of mysterious connection to property values.  JVS   Nov-14-11 03:31 AM   #4 
  - +1 n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-15-11 01:31 PM   #102 
  - You won't hear any good jazz in galleries, antique stores and restaurants.  MADem   Nov-14-11 03:31 AM   #5 
  - I don't like alcohol. I don't like hangovers.  Manifestor_of_Light   Nov-14-11 01:36 PM   #20 
  - Do you have a hangup about a small city you don't seem to know?  Mimosa   Nov-14-11 03:54 AM   #6 
  - i am going to NO in about a week. i have wanted to visit this town for so long. it is for MIL/FIL  seabeyond   Nov-14-11 07:08 AM   #14 
  - Mom and I love the Bienville House!  KamaAina   Nov-14-11 01:41 PM   #21 
  - i decided to make a thread, and i have gotten so much wonderful info  seabeyond   Nov-15-11 10:54 AM   #95 
  - IMHO... and I live in New Orleans, am single, and do go there  Sgent   Nov-14-11 02:26 PM   #35 
  - i was hearing this consistently from so many people. du made me think otherwise.  seabeyond   Nov-15-11 10:54 AM   #93 
  - Bourbon Street is not appropriate for kiddies  Mimosa   Nov-15-11 05:10 PM   #121 
  - thanks for giving  seabeyond   Nov-15-11 05:14 PM   #124 
  - we stayed at the Clarion Grand Boutique on St Charles on Halloween wknd  librechik   Nov-16-11 05:27 PM   #178 
  - You know, that's a good idea.  Hardrada   Nov-14-11 11:49 PM   #74 
  - Technically I was not a tourist. I was taking my child to college.  Manifestor_of_Light   Nov-15-11 01:28 PM   #101 
  - My husband and I visited NOLA in 2007, specifically  BlueMTexpat   Nov-14-11 04:26 AM   #8 
  - For Europeans, NOLA and San Francisco tend to be the two key cities...  hlthe2b   Nov-14-11 04:57 AM   #9 
  - You think if I haven't traveled a lot I must be "narrow minded" to not like the French Quarter.  Manifestor_of_Light   Nov-14-11 11:44 PM   #72 
     - Do you even know what "voodoo" really is?  Withywindle   Nov-16-11 12:46 AM   #143 
  - Nawlins is great! Especially the French Quarter!  Uben   Nov-14-11 05:12 AM   #10 
  - You know, this is a little ridiculous.  a la izquierda   Nov-14-11 06:24 AM   #11 
  - I think you have hang-ups about alcohol  WolverineDG   Nov-14-11 06:45 AM   #12 
  - Video of Celebration in the Oaks (in NOLA's City Park)  Mimosa   Nov-14-11 07:04 AM   #13 
  - yea. we are going to be there on the 25th. Emerils NOLA for 6:45 pm  seabeyond   Nov-14-11 07:15 AM   #15 
  - Not walkable from Emeril's  Mimosa   Nov-14-11 07:35 AM   #17 
  - excellent. we are driving in. everyone else is flying in. we will have a car.  seabeyond   Nov-14-11 07:38 AM   #18 
  - It definitely is a nice walk along the river.  Mimosa   Nov-15-11 04:48 PM   #117 
     - i want to do a swamp tour. lol. nt  seabeyond   Nov-15-11 05:12 PM   #123 
        - Here's a good one.  Mimosa   Nov-15-11 05:43 PM   #126 
  - One branch of the Canal streetcar goes to City Park  KamaAina   Nov-15-11 11:11 AM   #96 
  - I envy you!  Mimosa   Nov-15-11 05:07 PM   #120 
  - very cool -- I hope to see that this year  fishwax   Nov-14-11 04:21 PM   #52 
  - Thanks for the preview  lolly   Nov-14-11 10:50 PM   #63 
  - You know what Stevie Wonder said about superstition.  sufrommich   Nov-14-11 07:23 AM   #16 
  - When we were in the French Quarter, they were offering deals on their $3 beer  CreekDog   Nov-14-11 07:45 AM   #19 
  - but was it a Huge Ass Beer To Go?  piratefish08   Nov-14-11 01:44 PM   #24 
  - You need to get off Bourbon St. and get on to the side streets.  KamaAina   Nov-14-11 01:44 PM   #22 
  - Locals have always avoided Bourbon Street. n/t  Mimosa   Nov-15-11 04:50 PM   #118 
  - with me the problem was the clouds of cigarette smoke the clubs were emitting.  librechik   Nov-14-11 01:44 PM   #23 
  - I absolutely LOVED our visit and am an awful mom because I let  ScreamingMeemie   Nov-14-11 01:46 PM   #26 
  - lol, no  stuntcat   Nov-14-11 01:46 PM   #27 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-14-11 01:48 PM   #28 
  - To be fair, what right-minded person would like a thing after learning it has bad juju?  JVS   Nov-14-11 04:19 PM   #51 
  - +1  Matariki   Nov-14-11 11:28 PM   #67 
  - And no reaction to the Cabildo.  REP   Nov-15-11 06:23 PM   #131 
  - No.  EFerrari   Nov-14-11 01:51 PM   #29 
  - I don't think avoiding a known poison is unhealthy.  Manifestor_of_Light   Nov-14-11 01:58 PM   #30 
  - As I stated in your other thread, I think you think about it a little bit  ScreamingMeemie   Nov-14-11 02:10 PM   #31 
     - OTHER people are bringing up alcohol in a business setting.  Manifestor_of_Light   Nov-14-11 02:30 PM   #37 
        - See, you took it the wrong way and that was not my intent.  ScreamingMeemie   Nov-14-11 02:36 PM   #39 
           - Please read posts #20 and #30. I have the right to talk about anything I want to.  Manifestor_of_Light   Nov-14-11 09:53 PM   #60 
              - I was showing concern for you. I didn't say you didn't have the right to  ScreamingMeemie   Nov-14-11 10:11 PM   #61 
                 - To quote you:  Manifestor_of_Light   Nov-14-11 11:29 PM   #68 
                    - It sounded, to me, like it bothered you a bit more than it bothers the  ScreamingMeemie   Nov-15-11 12:07 AM   #77 
                    - Manifestor of Light, at least 5 of my dear friends do not drink alcohol  Mimosa   Nov-15-11 07:33 PM   #137 
  - Never been to New Orleans but I love old bars with Jazz music  TNLib   Nov-14-11 02:14 PM   #32 
  - 'Stay away from the voodoo, Mon'  Fla_Democrat   Nov-14-11 02:18 PM   #33 
  - How many centimes is that?  RUMMYisFROSTED   Nov-14-11 02:23 PM   #34 
  - If you expect to find spirits and bad juju then you'll find them  Stuckinthebush   Nov-14-11 02:29 PM   #36 
  - not in the French Quarter, but in another town  JanMichael   Nov-14-11 02:34 PM   #38 
  - I understand what you're saying, MoL  MorningGlow   Nov-14-11 02:41 PM   #40 
  - Thank you. Not going back.  Manifestor_of_Light   Nov-14-11 03:05 PM   #44 
  - You really know nothing about Voodoo.  Behind the Aegis   Nov-14-11 03:31 PM   #46 
  - + 1  musette_sf   Nov-15-11 01:40 AM   #86 
  - and I will +1 your comment, as well! I totally agree.  Behind the Aegis   Nov-15-11 01:42 AM   #87 
  - +1000  Matariki   Nov-15-11 03:03 PM   #107 
  - I think you're working from the Hollywood version of voudun  MorningGlow   Nov-14-11 04:05 PM   #48 
     - Sacrificing chickens and putting curses on people is "a wonderful faith"??  Manifestor_of_Light   Nov-14-11 09:37 PM   #57 
        - Oh dear  MorningGlow   Nov-14-11 09:39 PM   #58 
        - I've read more about it. Sounds like superstitious primitive crap to me.  Manifestor_of_Light   Nov-14-11 11:30 PM   #69 
           - All religions are, including the "new age" ones.  Behind the Aegis   Nov-15-11 12:04 AM   #76 
           - Yes, I have little respect for most religions.  Manifestor_of_Light   Nov-15-11 12:14 AM   #79 
              - You really have no clue, do you?  Behind the Aegis   Nov-15-11 12:19 AM   #80 
              - If you're happy with your spiritual path i am fine with that.  Manifestor_of_Light   Nov-15-11 12:23 AM   #81 
                 - That is why I said "likely." Good to know your bias has limits.  Behind the Aegis   Nov-15-11 12:25 AM   #82 
                    - Religions do not get a pass for doing horrible things in the name of religion.  Manifestor_of_Light   Nov-15-11 12:29 AM   #83 
                       - Who said religions "get a pass?" That's your strawman.  Behind the Aegis   Nov-15-11 01:24 AM   #84 
              - Which are also part and parcel of the overall concept of  LanternWaste   Nov-15-11 10:54 AM   #94 
                 - Buddhism and secular humanism are not "magical thinking".  Manifestor_of_Light   Nov-15-11 02:56 PM   #104 
                    - You don't seem to know much about Buddhism either. MoL.  Mimosa   Nov-15-11 09:33 PM   #140 
                       - I am not into Tibetan buddhism.  Manifestor_of_Light   Nov-16-11 01:00 AM   #145 
           - Would You Care To Explain The Difference Between "Ju-Ju" and Religion?  NeedleCast   Nov-15-11 03:17 PM   #109 
        - I invite you to do a little research before speaking so ignorantly  Matariki   Nov-15-11 03:25 PM   #110 
  - This is for Seabeyond. Skip Galveston. The beaches are dirty.  Manifestor_of_Light   Nov-14-11 10:38 PM   #62 
     - Galveston can be fun, as is Kemah.  ScreamingMeemie   Nov-14-11 11:30 PM   #70 
  - I felt plenty of good vibes -- in bars and out of them  fishwax   Nov-14-11 02:43 PM   #41 
  - What you see in others...  Oilwellian   Nov-14-11 02:49 PM   #42 
  - I don't go in bars and drink myself sick. What a stupid statement.  Manifestor_of_Light   Nov-14-11 02:57 PM   #43 
     - neither do most people who go in bars (even in New Orleans)  fishwax   Nov-14-11 04:23 PM   #53 
  - You were not imagining it.  Zebedeo   Nov-14-11 03:17 PM   #45 
  - Wow! I love the spear part. You're a good storyteller  flamingdem   Nov-15-11 01:54 AM   #88 
     - Thank you.  Zebedeo   Nov-15-11 02:31 AM   #90 
        - I saw it years ago and read the book and then..  flamingdem   Nov-15-11 10:47 AM   #91 
        - Thanks.  Zebedeo   Nov-15-11 03:02 PM   #105 
        - That Donald Cosentino book is wonderful  Matariki   Nov-15-11 04:12 PM   #115 
        - "The Serpent and the Rainbow" scared the bejeebus out of me.  ScreamingMeemie   Nov-15-11 12:00 PM   #98 
           - Yeah, very realistic  Zebedeo   Nov-15-11 03:03 PM   #106 
  - I disagree, totally.  smokey nj   Nov-14-11 04:11 PM   #49 
  - Good music, great food, people having fun  tawadi   Nov-14-11 04:14 PM   #50 
  - Um.....no.... n/t  ceile   Nov-14-11 04:24 PM   #54 
  - I hope we still have a "Crazy Woo" forum on DU3...nt  SidDithers   Nov-14-11 04:28 PM   #55 
  - Word (nm)  Book Lover   Nov-15-11 03:30 PM   #112 
  - I like to dance with bad juju (Gris Gris)  Bennyboy   Nov-14-11 04:33 PM   #56 
  - Bourbon Street is a place for tourists to get drunk  DefenseLawyer   Nov-14-11 09:47 PM   #59 
  - The Quarter is diverse, good and bad vibes to be had  Cresent City Kid   Nov-14-11 11:16 PM   #64 
  - Voodoo is part of the history and culture of New Orleans  Matariki   Nov-14-11 11:28 PM   #66 
  - Voodoo looks like a pile of superstitious primitive crap to me.  Manifestor_of_Light   Nov-14-11 11:41 PM   #71 
     - But you believe in "vibes."  LeftyMom   Nov-14-11 11:45 PM   #73 
     - They were my gut feelings. That's all I know.  Manifestor_of_Light   Nov-14-11 11:56 PM   #75 
     - By all means DO NOT visit the Vatican  jberryhill   Nov-15-11 11:12 AM   #97 
     - lololol  tawadi   Nov-15-11 01:33 PM   #103 
     - yeah, there are parts of spain, germany and italy  newspeak   Nov-16-11 11:13 AM   #173 
     - It's one of the African Traditional Religions. The oldest on the planet.  Matariki   Nov-15-11 03:28 PM   #111 
     - Zoroastrianism is the oldest religion on the planet.  Manifestor_of_Light   Nov-15-11 03:43 PM   #113 
        - Not that it matters but your facts are off  Matariki   Nov-15-11 04:01 PM   #114 
           - I will not take seriously any religion that curses its enemies and is not factually based.  Manifestor_of_Light   Nov-15-11 04:12 PM   #116 
     - I bet you haven't read American Voudou by Rod Davis  Mimosa   Nov-15-11 04:54 PM   #119 
        - I see no need to bother reading about superstitious irrational religions.  Manifestor_of_Light   Nov-15-11 05:12 PM   #122 
        - To understand Gullah country, Haiti or New Orleans one has to at least know something...  Mimosa   Nov-15-11 05:51 PM   #128 
           - Oh I'm not a scholar. Wonderful insult.  Manifestor_of_Light   Nov-15-11 06:18 PM   #129 
              - Sorry if you thought I was insulting you.  Mimosa   Nov-15-11 06:36 PM   #132 
              - Read #122.  Manifestor_of_Light   Nov-15-11 07:20 PM   #135 
                 - OK, you don't have to read about it if you don't want to.  Withywindle   Nov-16-11 01:04 AM   #147 
                    - Those were gut feelings. That is all i know about them.  Manifestor_of_Light   Nov-16-11 01:26 AM   #152 
                       - GWB was ruled by his "gut feelings" He talked about them all the time  Withywindle   Nov-16-11 01:47 AM   #154 
                          - You fucking ROCK!  Behind the Aegis   Nov-16-11 01:50 AM   #155 
                             - Merci beaucoup!  Withywindle   Nov-16-11 02:26 AM   #160 
                                - I haven't read that book. (seems there is a movie too).  Behind the Aegis   Nov-16-11 03:00 AM   #161 
                                   - It has to do with futility, and going on anyway.  Withywindle   Nov-16-11 03:15 AM   #162 
                                      - Thanks for the info.  Behind the Aegis   Nov-16-11 03:31 AM   #164 
                                         - I'll make it happen someday.  Withywindle   Nov-16-11 03:47 AM   #165 
              - Is it too late to get a refund?  REP   Nov-16-11 01:11 AM   #150 
        - Thanks for the book recommendation Mimosa  flamingdem   Nov-16-11 09:35 AM   #166 
           - Thanks for your recommendations!  Mimosa   Nov-16-11 05:42 PM   #179 
  - The only time I felt bad juju in the French Quarter was when LSU was playing football.  6000eliot   Nov-15-11 12:10 AM   #78 
  - Uh, what?  No Joe   Nov-15-11 01:27 AM   #85 
  - No.  musette_sf   Nov-15-11 02:05 AM   #89 
  - That is interesting. I went to college in San Antonio.  Manifestor_of_Light   Nov-15-11 01:26 PM   #100 
  - LOL  NeedleCast   Nov-15-11 03:06 PM   #108 
  - I was only in the French Quarter once  RebelOne   Nov-15-11 05:21 PM   #125 
  - Nawlins is the ONLY city in the USA that this conversation can apply to  MrScorpio   Nov-15-11 05:49 PM   #127 
  - Completely unmoved by the Cabildo?  REP   Nov-15-11 06:21 PM   #130 
  - If it's irrational and hateful it should be mocked.  Manifestor_of_Light   Nov-16-11 12:59 AM   #144 
     - Oh, the irony is priceless  REP   Nov-16-11 01:09 AM   #148 
        - I stay away from negative places and negative people.  Manifestor_of_Light   Nov-16-11 01:33 AM   #153 
           - Ah. Curse the darkness rather than light a candle.  REP   Nov-16-11 03:22 AM   #163 
  - Strip clubs throughout the land are seldom known for "good juju"  KamaAina   Nov-15-11 06:48 PM   #134 
  - Never been to NO, but I do not like the energy of alcohol. nt  BlueIris   Nov-15-11 07:32 PM   #136 
  - I am literally replying from the French Quarter. It is magnificent.  nolabear   Nov-15-11 08:12 PM   #139 
  - I've always loved Nola  jxnmsdemguy65   Nov-16-11 12:16 AM   #141 
  - Didn't know I would be considered a snob or ignorant for starting this discussion.  Manifestor_of_Light   Nov-16-11 01:03 AM   #146 
     - If you post something ignorant or snobbish, expect to be called on it  REP   Nov-16-11 01:10 AM   #149 
     - World's tiniest Cajun fiddle playing just for you.  Withywindle   Nov-16-11 01:26 AM   #151 
     - Oh, now I've got "bizarre little prejudices and fixations"!!! Wowie!!  Manifestor_of_Light   Nov-16-11 01:52 AM   #156 
        - I've never been to New Orleans, unfortunately  Withywindle   Nov-16-11 01:57 AM   #157 
           - Thank you for that input. No, I am not drunk. Night night.  Manifestor_of_Light   Nov-16-11 02:04 AM   #158 
              - I didn't say you were drunk  Withywindle   Nov-16-11 02:14 AM   #159 
     - Why Not Both?  NeedleCast   Nov-16-11 10:24 AM   #169 
     - lol... the same people anti christian and bash it to hell, here on the site? lol  seabeyond   Nov-16-11 10:52 AM   #170 
  - Get help  deaniac21   Nov-16-11 09:37 AM   #167 
  - Is "not liking New Orleans" in the DSM-IV Psychiatric Manual?  Manifestor_of_Light   Nov-16-11 06:03 PM   #181 
  - there's a word for this way of thinking  Enrique   Nov-16-11 09:56 AM   #168 
  - reading thru the replies i thought funny. i hear people yell for acceptance as long as not different  seabeyond   Nov-16-11 10:55 AM   #171 
     - Yes.  Manifestor_of_Light   Nov-16-11 03:31 PM   #175 
 

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