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| 63. Right, about McQueary's culpability, but wrong about leadership. |
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I think he confuses "leader" with "hero." Why does the writer presume "a leader" will do the right thing, especially in what was a horrid situation that they aren't prepared for? The nature of shock is a profound failure to grasp the situation until it's too late. However, I have to say I would expect a lesser level failure than McQueary's.
What failed here every time was leadership. The coach, the President, they all either passed the buck or buried this. Why? Mostly to protect the program or cover their asses, and because of the fact that they were too focused on other things, like football. Or, and this is likely with shock, they simply disbelieved it. They were terrific leaders at football. The irony is that football is supposed to be a character-builder. It either isn't, or it builds very specialized character.
No, I wouldn't say the cowardice was as bad as the crime itself. Why? Simply because if the coward were there and not the perp, no crime would have occurred. If we could replace every perp with coward, crime would drop to zero.
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| -Best thing I've read yet on Mike McQueary and the PSU/Sandusky sex abuse scandal: |
kath |
Nov-11-11 01:37 AM |
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I agree. I've changed my thinking on McQueary. |
Tatiana |
Nov-11-11 01:47 AM |
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McQueary doesn't deserve his freedom. |
SunSeeker |
Nov-11-11 01:33 PM |
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What else boggles the mind: rape is a capital crime. Like MURDER. If McQuerry |
loudsue |
Nov-12-11 12:40 AM |
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You've really made me think. |
FedUp_Queer |
Nov-11-11 04:47 PM |
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People in a cult, the mafia, the Catholic Church don't flip... |
WhaTHellsgoingonhere |
Nov-11-11 11:58 PM |
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My fiance is quite the pacifist.... |
blueamy66 |
Nov-12-11 06:48 AM |
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Kick and Highly Rec for anyone who says they are TIRED of the Penn Scandal n/t |
Mojeoux |
Nov-11-11 01:59 AM |
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It's NEVER over for the victims! |
CoffeeCat |
Nov-11-11 11:21 AM |
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+100 |
Liberal_in_LA |
Nov-11-11 01:44 PM |
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+1000 n/t |
MissDeeds |
Nov-11-11 02:16 PM |
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tomorrow I am going to watch the fragging game and see what |
roguevalley |
Nov-11-11 11:34 PM |
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Wait. What? |
Control-Z |
Nov-12-11 02:34 AM |
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college football |
blueamy66 |
Nov-12-11 06:46 AM |
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+1,000 |
freshwest |
Nov-12-11 12:36 AM |
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+1 |
snagglepuss |
Nov-11-11 12:34 PM |
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Kick and rec for any adult who resolves it's not going to happen to one more kid |
Missy Vixen |
Nov-11-11 04:20 PM |
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Agreed |
SixthSense |
Nov-11-11 02:07 AM |
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Yet look how this story is being reported. A lot of people can't bring themselves to speak of |
dkf |
Nov-11-11 02:14 AM |
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Really? The ladies on my soap board had no trouble discussing it. |
aquart |
Nov-11-11 03:24 AM |
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How explicit did they get? |
dkf |
Nov-11-11 03:34 AM |
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Yesterday, Papentonio reported on a talk show... |
BanzaiBonnie |
Nov-11-11 04:15 AM |
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Papantonio has no basis for that report |
alcibiades_mystery |
Nov-11-11 02:11 PM |
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Pfffttt... that's what PATERNO claimed |
TorchTheWitch |
Nov-11-11 04:41 AM |
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Makes sense. Well said. n/t |
Laelth |
Nov-11-11 05:38 AM |
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Paterno hasn't been charged with perjury |
alcibiades_mystery |
Nov-11-11 02:13 PM |
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"Apparently" is he said, he said. I don't believe JoePa for one second. |
WinkyDink |
Nov-11-11 06:33 AM |
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No, he didn't. The grand jury report makes it clear that McQueary was explicit... |
SidDithers |
Nov-11-11 06:45 AM |
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I think that remains to be seen |
alcibiades_mystery |
Nov-11-11 03:43 PM |
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My 32-year-old son called the other night to discuss it. He didn't feel |
tblue37 |
Nov-11-11 03:37 PM |
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Best comment to that story .... was from ..... |
doublethink |
Nov-11-11 02:29 AM |
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My husband, who was in sports and as a coach all his life |
adigal |
Nov-11-11 06:35 AM |
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What struggle? |
Pat Riot |
Nov-11-11 04:25 PM |
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Now THAT would be irony in practice!! |
adigal |
Nov-12-11 10:13 PM |
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Yup!! |
SunSeeker |
Nov-11-11 01:25 PM |
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That is not too over the top for me. |
pennylane100 |
Nov-11-11 05:30 PM |
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There is a kind of paralysis that sets in--but it shouldn't last all that long |
eridani |
Nov-11-11 03:07 AM |
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You were 3 - that is understandable. He was 28. |
Ruby the Liberal |
Nov-11-11 06:19 AM |
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It's difficult to question someone in a moment of shock |
LynneSin |
Nov-11-11 12:27 PM |
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I know. Shock sets in, and you don't |
truedelphi |
Nov-11-11 08:03 PM |
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+1,000 |
malaise |
Nov-11-11 03:10 AM |
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I'll bet all his plays came in from the sidelines. |
Downwinder |
Nov-11-11 03:33 AM |
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It was just reported this morning |
Dash Riprock |
Nov-11-11 04:47 AM |
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He is the Wide Receiver's coach and Recruiting Coordinator for the school football program |
Ruby the Liberal |
Nov-11-11 06:13 AM |
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Amazing, isn't it? That of all people, the guy who witnessed and did NOTHING, still has a job? |
MH1 |
Nov-11-11 11:47 AM |
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What really amazes me is how he went from grad assistant to PSU coach |
LynneSin |
Nov-11-11 12:28 PM |
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Grad assistant happens to be the position he was in at the time, but it makes more sense if you... |
JVS |
Nov-11-11 12:48 PM |
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No doubt in my mind what happened. He was bought off a la Michael Jackson. nt |
valerief |
Nov-11-11 06:15 PM |
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Jon Stewart said the same thing tonight... |
ellisonz |
Nov-11-11 04:51 AM |
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Having been in several situations in which I witnessed abuse.... |
OneGrassRoot |
Nov-11-11 06:36 AM |
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I wish to God it had been me who was that witness. |
tblue |
Nov-11-11 09:04 PM |
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Been there too, it has to do with knowing we are flesh, we hurt, we feel, we know, we act. |
freshwest |
Nov-12-11 12:49 AM |
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I post this periodically for bullying, but it certainly applies to this as well: |
OneGrassRoot |
Nov-12-11 06:32 AM |
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Yes, that is what my husband and I said last night |
adigal |
Nov-11-11 06:30 AM |
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Seriously, this is the, PTE, bottom line. There is no rational defense on earth to counter this. |
WinkyDink |
Nov-11-11 06:36 AM |
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As a victim of abuse, i will tell you what could make a 6'5" 250+lbs man not call the police & beat |
Pachamama |
Nov-11-11 08:10 AM |
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Interesting theory. I never thought of that. |
Tatiana |
Nov-11-11 09:43 AM |
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Another factor to keep in mind: Threats |
Pachamama |
Nov-11-11 11:28 AM |
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I've been following the disappeared DA story since it started |
Patiod |
Nov-11-11 12:19 PM |
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perhaps the DA was researching how hard drives get destroyed |
OnceUponTimeOnTheNet |
Nov-11-11 10:03 PM |
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It's very easy for a child to hide abuse, even from a trained observer. |
Gormy Cuss |
Nov-11-11 11:40 AM |
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I'm wondering if he was the pediatrician for the Second Mile. |
Lars39 |
Nov-11-11 12:21 PM |
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Another poster said he isn't a pediatrician but a physicans assistant who |
snagglepuss |
Nov-11-11 12:46 PM |
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I think you nailed it. |
Downwinder |
Nov-11-11 11:46 AM |
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That is a very plausible theory |
adigal |
Nov-11-11 11:53 AM |
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that would be the only thing that could excuse what he did, I think |
spooked911 |
Nov-11-11 02:32 PM |
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I think you have described the only possible extenuating circumstances- . |
hedgehog |
Nov-11-11 03:02 PM |
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That is a very well thought out hypothesis |
pennylane100 |
Nov-11-11 05:49 PM |
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WHAT? This guy was 28 years old when this happened? |
Drahthaardogs |
Nov-11-11 06:56 AM |
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Joe Paterno's behavior was worse than McQueary's -- he was no patsy. |
pnwmom |
Nov-11-11 12:24 PM |
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they have made it sound like he was a kid when he witnessed... |
hlthe2b |
Nov-11-11 08:55 AM |
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He followed PA law. The legislators hadn't thought through that law well enough. n/t |
pnwmom |
Nov-11-11 12:25 PM |
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Um... yeah...sure... |
bullsnarfle |
Nov-11-11 03:14 PM |
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sometimes it's necessary to go beyond the boundaries of the law.. |
frylock |
Nov-11-11 04:14 PM |
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I'm not sure he followed Federal law... |
hlthe2b |
Nov-11-11 08:33 PM |
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I'm OK with this top down approach to PSU dissassociating itself with certain employees. |
aikoaiko |
Nov-11-11 11:30 AM |
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"As the investigation continues" ??? WTF? WHY NOT NOW??? |
MH1 |
Nov-11-11 11:44 AM |
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There are, apparently, several people who had direct or indirect knowlede of abuse. |
aikoaiko |
Nov-11-11 12:24 PM |
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Exactly. Imagine a grade school covering up this kind of |
mzmolly |
Nov-11-11 02:53 PM |
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I suspect at the end of the season the whole coaching staff will go |
LynneSin |
Nov-11-11 12:26 PM |
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Agreed. Coaches. athletics, summer camp officials, even janitors.... |
aikoaiko |
Nov-11-11 12:35 PM |
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this along with the rene portland affair calls for a closer look at the entire AD.. |
frylock |
Nov-11-11 05:05 PM |
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Good for the author! |
lunatica |
Nov-11-11 11:52 AM |
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Wow ! Thanks for the post... |
russspeakeasy |
Nov-11-11 12:49 PM |
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Rec'd, rec'd and rec'd |
Number23 |
Nov-11-11 02:54 PM |
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It makes me ill that so many are defending a 28-yr old grad student, |
TBF |
Nov-11-11 03:03 PM |
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That little boy is US and Sandusky and Paterno is the 1% n/t |
librechik |
Nov-11-11 03:11 PM |
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Right, about McQueary's culpability, but wrong about leadership. |
caseymoz |
Nov-11-11 03:28 PM |
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I can't buy this: |
tblue37 |
Nov-11-11 03:41 PM |
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I wasn't informed about that part of it. |
caseymoz |
Nov-11-11 03:44 PM |
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Cowards pick victims who can't fight back |
REP |
Nov-11-11 06:22 PM |
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Where did I say a 10-year-old boy can fight off an adult man? |
caseymoz |
Nov-11-11 11:12 PM |
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You implied it with this statement: |
REP |
Nov-12-11 01:25 AM |
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A very serious misunderstanding. |
caseymoz |
Nov-12-11 08:02 AM |
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How does anyone just walk away? |
Prism |
Nov-11-11 03:48 PM |
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I did not realize until this article that McCreary and the '28 year old grad asst' were one |
ladywnch |
Nov-11-11 04:06 PM |
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I fear if you punish McQueary you discourage people from coming forward |
Hamlette |
Nov-11-11 06:25 PM |
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Do all of you who are condemning Mike McCreary |
cadaverdog |
Nov-11-11 07:10 PM |
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Anyone sympathizing with McCreary should ask themselves this: |
tnvoter |
Nov-11-11 07:51 PM |
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As Tansy Gold argued in another thread, it is highly improbable that he |
snagglepuss |
Nov-11-11 08:17 PM |
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WTF??!! |
Arugula Latte |
Nov-11-11 09:58 PM |
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And do YOU realize that, after witnessing Sandusky RAPING a child, |
beac |
Nov-12-11 12:00 AM |
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Sadly, K and R |
OwnedByFerrets |
Nov-11-11 07:53 PM |
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Money Corrupts Absolutely |
DallasNE |
Nov-11-11 09:42 PM |
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He should have went and found the nearest baseball bat or Hockey Stick and |
donheld |
Nov-11-11 10:15 PM |
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A fair question, playing Devil's Advocate.. |
JackDragna |
Nov-11-11 11:08 PM |
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Was he still in "shock" when he attended charity events featuring Sandusky |
beac |
Nov-12-11 12:08 AM |
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No, and for that, he deserves what's coming. |
JackDragna |
Nov-12-11 12:33 AM |
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OK. I read your intention incorrectly and |
beac |
Nov-12-11 01:24 AM |
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No apology needed - we're in agreement. |
JackDragna |
Nov-12-11 02:17 AM |
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The phrase "How did he sleep at night?" barely begins to cover it. n/t |
beac |
Nov-12-11 02:43 AM |
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