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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 09:29 AM
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20. I think there are several reasons, one far more nefarious.

At the unimportant level, but ready to support these plans, are people sending kids to private schools who resent paying tax money for public schools that they and theirs do not directly use. This argument always failed them, however, because that would also exclude everyone who doesn't have a child. But this is still their main gripe even if nobody cares.

Then you have the facist economic model you posted.

But the "public schools are failing" argument pre-dates the American Revolutionary War and for far worse reasons than the preceeding two. Our John Adams first became reknown arguing against the appointment of a supreme justice (I forget the exact position or location though I recall it was somewhere in the vicinity of Nova Scotia) over all the North American colonies. His objection to this justice was that the justice advocated the closing of public schools. The justice and his coterie gave all the same bullshit excuses we hear today how private schools would do a better job.

When everyone involved was safely in their graves the justice's private correspondence was made public. Turns out his real opposition to public schools was that they were working too well. He feared that educated people would be less willing to listen to their "betters". In the don't-say-anything-if-you-can't-say-anything-good vein I suppose I should credit him for being correct!

Then we had our pre-Civil War south where the descendants of Norman aristrocracy dominated the political fold. While every northern state had public schools and an over 90% literacy rate, not a single southern state had public schools and were under 50% literacy rate. At least one southern state even made public schools illegal to prevent counties and towns from funding their own. They wanted to keep the peasants uneducated and it shows to this day. Regular folks in the south still largely judge a person by "success" even though more often than not that success was the result of brilliantly choosing to be born to rich parents.

So I have absolutely no doubt that the notion of keeping the people stupid to keep them in line is still prevelant today. The fact that the modern attack on public schools - and for that matter even private education is laregely held in low regard in the United States nowadays - came on the heels of the revolutionary '60s hints at this.

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     - I got an evaluation process changed by voluntarily taking a hit once.  ieoeja   Nov-11-11 09:09 AM   #18 
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  - I think there are several reasons, one far more nefarious.  ieoeja   Nov-11-11 09:29 AM   #20 
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     - She is right. Teachers can not speak out freely at all.  madfloridian   Nov-11-11 09:49 PM   #30 
 

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