melissaf
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Fri Nov-11-11 12:41 AM
Response to Reply #45 |
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that "Professor Emeritus" status = getting a promotion on leaving the coaching staff.
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| -Apologies for the intemperate tone of my earlier PSU rant ... |
markpkessinger |
Nov-10-11 11:19 PM |
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Yeah... Sorry but I don't agree with it, I see none of those points as valid |
Ohio Joe |
Nov-10-11 11:27 PM |
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So we jail people based not on what the law is, but what we think it should be? |
markpkessinger |
Nov-10-11 11:30 PM |
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As I said, I do not know the exact laws there |
Ohio Joe |
Nov-10-11 11:33 PM |
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In a country based on law, the actual law is a pretty big deal.An |
pnwmom |
Nov-10-11 11:50 PM |
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So... |
Ohio Joe |
Nov-10-11 11:56 PM |
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I replied about this in other posts here, but yes. |
pnwmom |
Nov-11-11 12:05 AM |
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He wasn't jailed. Or arrested. He was fired. |
Zoeisright |
Nov-10-11 11:56 PM |
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The person I responded to said he SHOULD be jailed. |
pnwmom |
Nov-11-11 12:07 AM |
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That happens--WA State leg passed a law banning sex eith animals-- |
eridani |
Nov-11-11 04:47 AM |
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I know that. Here's the line I was responding to ... |
markpkessinger |
Nov-11-11 01:24 AM |
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You can only send people to jail if they violate an actual law. |
pnwmom |
Nov-10-11 11:49 PM |
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And still, as I said, I do not know the exact laws there |
Ohio Joe |
Nov-10-11 11:54 PM |
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In PA, it can be reported up the chain of command. Only the people at the top |
pnwmom |
Nov-11-11 12:02 AM |
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Thats one fucked up law they got there |
Ohio Joe |
Nov-11-11 12:10 AM |
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How can you stand by the idea that he should be charged? Charged with what? |
pnwmom |
Nov-11-11 12:22 AM |
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Because I think it is a crime to allow known pedophiles to work around children |
Ohio Joe |
Nov-11-11 12:30 AM |
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"Because I think" is not the way the law works n/t |
markpkessinger |
Nov-11-11 12:37 AM |
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And how does the law work with him being on the board of TSM? |
Ohio Joe |
Nov-11-11 12:39 AM |
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Are you certain he was even on the board? I haven't seen him listed over there. |
pnwmom |
Nov-11-11 12:43 AM |
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Yeah, pretty sure |
Ohio Joe |
Nov-11-11 12:47 AM |
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Honorary board members don't do anything except lend their names |
pnwmom |
Nov-11-11 12:50 AM |
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So they are exempt as well? |
Ohio Joe |
Nov-11-11 12:55 AM |
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Go ahead. All PA's statutes are online. Find the laws he broke. |
pnwmom |
Nov-11-11 12:57 AM |
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The Grand Jury makes this decision based on the law, not based on what you think. |
pnwmom |
Nov-11-11 12:42 AM |
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a simple review of if you lead, you take responsibility undercuts |
roguevalley |
Nov-10-11 11:54 PM |
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I agree, and I made that point to folks I talked with... |
markpkessinger |
Nov-10-11 11:57 PM |
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Jail for everyone? Even for the people who broke no laws? |
pnwmom |
Nov-11-11 12:04 AM |
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I hear you |
melissaf |
Nov-10-11 11:30 PM |
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Try living in Alabama, Texas, Georgia, Tennessee, Mississippi .. |
Fumesucker |
Nov-11-11 12:03 AM |
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Hah! Teethbrush... |
melissaf |
Nov-11-11 12:08 AM |
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The citizens of Puyallup, WA are delighted that State College has displaced |
eridani |
Nov-11-11 04:51 AM |
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Question ? |
DURHAM D |
Nov-10-11 11:32 PM |
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No, it's the reporting law for suspected abuse cases. |
pnwmom |
Nov-10-11 11:52 PM |
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The excuse makers I have read are claiming that reporting |
DURHAM D |
Nov-11-11 12:04 AM |
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They are right. That's why the President was fired. |
pnwmom |
Nov-11-11 12:09 AM |
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I read the Grand Jury testimony... |
CoffeeCat |
Nov-10-11 11:46 PM |
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Not in PA. Only the leading administrators -- not all employees. Here's more info: |
pnwmom |
Nov-10-11 11:53 PM |
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Yes, thank you for that... |
CoffeeCat |
Nov-11-11 12:08 AM |
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Directly from the grand-jury testimony--- |
CoffeeCat |
Nov-11-11 12:03 AM |
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Are you (and the students) unaware that the 2002 rape that McQueary witnessed is just the tip of |
kath |
Nov-11-11 12:05 AM |
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Is this an established fact |
melissaf |
Nov-11-11 12:14 AM |
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Thanks to Joe for following the protocol MORE KIDS WERE RAPED BY SANDUSKY |
LynneSin |
Nov-11-11 12:14 AM |
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I agree they were right to fire him. n/t |
pnwmom |
Nov-11-11 12:20 AM |
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I wonder what the students think about Sandusky getting a promotion |
DURHAM D |
Nov-11-11 12:28 AM |
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I don't know |
melissaf |
Nov-11-11 12:41 AM |
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If you're going to comment, get the facts correct, please.... |
markpkessinger |
Nov-11-11 12:41 AM |
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Sorry - you need to check your facts. nt |
DURHAM D |
Nov-11-11 12:44 AM |
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Uh, no -- you do. Sandusky retired in June of 1999 from PSU; McQueary is the GA who landed ... |
markpkessinger |
Nov-11-11 12:49 AM |
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I am well aware of Sandusky's situation as well as McQueary. |
DURHAM D |
Nov-11-11 12:55 AM |
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In what way? |
melissaf |
Nov-11-11 01:01 AM |
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I have no clue what point you are trying to make. |
DURHAM D |
Nov-11-11 01:09 AM |
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You obviously don't understand what "emeritus" means -- it's not a promotion |
markpkessinger |
Nov-11-11 01:11 AM |
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I suspect I know way more than you do. |
DURHAM D |
Nov-11-11 01:14 AM |
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He received faculty status because he was COACH |
melissaf |
Nov-11-11 01:15 AM |
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Here is a source for you... |
markpkessinger |
Nov-11-11 01:08 AM |
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You have just proved my point. |
DURHAM D |
Nov-11-11 01:13 AM |
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No one's arguing that point. |
melissaf |
Nov-11-11 01:17 AM |
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I never said he didn't ... |
markpkessinger |
Nov-11-11 01:20 AM |
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Whatever you need to believe is whatever you need to believe... |
DURHAM D |
Nov-11-11 01:25 AM |
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They should think that was terrible. |
pnwmom |
Nov-11-11 12:46 AM |
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Professor Emeritus isn't a promotion, it just says you're retired |
pnwmom |
Nov-11-11 12:49 AM |
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It is also not punishment. |
DURHAM D |
Nov-11-11 12:54 AM |
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I agree. The University's decisions are inexcusable. n/t |
pnwmom |
Nov-11-11 01:00 AM |
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I haven't seen evidence of people at TSM who knew about what was going on. |
pnwmom |
Nov-11-11 12:16 AM |
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Wait a sec... Did I not also see that Paterno was on the board of TSM? |
Ohio Joe |
Nov-11-11 12:22 AM |
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Yes. He enabled a pedophile for 17 years. |
DURHAM D |
Nov-11-11 12:36 AM |
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The board cut ties with Sandusky in 2008 when they found out about the real charges. |
pnwmom |
Nov-11-11 12:56 AM |
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He had an "honorary" position, which is pretty meaningless. |
pnwmom |
Nov-11-11 12:54 AM |
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But, it's true that he would know people...and imagine if he had |
ScreamingMeemie |
Nov-11-11 12:55 AM |
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"meaningless"? Like he did not have to report an active pedophile in the group? |
Ohio Joe |
Nov-11-11 12:56 AM |
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I agree that PA's law is inadequate and should be changed ASAP. n/t |
pnwmom |
Nov-11-11 12:59 AM |
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Of course TSM knew. |
DURHAM D |
Nov-11-11 12:32 AM |
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Attorney/client privilege would prevent the attorney from sharing information |
pnwmom |
Nov-11-11 01:01 AM |
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So if your underage kid was in that shower naked and being screwed by a man... |
LynneSin |
Nov-11-11 12:12 AM |
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No one is saying that. Are you saying that it's okay |
pnwmom |
Nov-11-11 12:17 AM |
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I'm saying 'bullshit' to this whole protocol/chain of command excuse |
LynneSin |
Nov-11-11 12:22 AM |
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I'm not defending any of THEM. I'm defending the fact that we're supposed to be a nation of laws. |
pnwmom |
Nov-11-11 12:25 AM |
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I assume you are aware |
DURHAM D |
Nov-11-11 12:40 AM |
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No, but it doesn't make any difference. You still can't jail someone unless they broke |
pnwmom |
Nov-11-11 12:41 AM |
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I have not made any suggestion about jailing anyone. |
DURHAM D |
Nov-11-11 12:46 AM |
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No, you haven't. But I've been reacting to the many posts |
pnwmom |
Nov-11-11 01:03 AM |
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Yes, and no one (or no one I know) |
melissaf |
Nov-11-11 12:26 AM |
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Do you understand |
melissaf |
Nov-11-11 12:20 AM |
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Thank you... |
markpkessinger |
Nov-11-11 12:26 AM |
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You're welcome. |
melissaf |
Nov-11-11 12:30 AM |
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It is my hope that, in a few years time, the students of this institution |
ScreamingMeemie |
Nov-11-11 12:15 AM |
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I find these Penn State apologists very puzzling creatures. |
tuckessee |
Nov-11-11 12:16 AM |
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A handful of people at Penn State -- not the whole University -- |
pnwmom |
Nov-11-11 12:19 AM |
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Thanks, pnwmom! |
melissaf |
Nov-11-11 12:22 AM |
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Thank you! n/t |
markpkessinger |
Nov-11-11 12:39 AM |
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What a dishonest argument.... |
markpkessinger |
Nov-11-11 12:30 AM |
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What?! Not Paterno's fault?! |
WhaTHellsgoingonhere |
Nov-11-11 01:04 AM |
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That is true in the sense that Paterno followed the law and Schulz did not. |
pnwmom |
Nov-11-11 01:07 AM |
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This is tricky, because the police were involved in 1998... |
WhaTHellsgoingonhere |
Nov-11-11 01:35 AM |
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I agree. Paterno had a moral obligation if not a legal one. |
pnwmom |
Nov-11-11 01:55 AM |
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Excellent post n\t |
deadinsider |
Nov-11-11 02:57 AM |
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since when is firing only appropriate when a law is broken? |
TorchTheWitch |
Nov-11-11 01:10 AM |
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Points taken... a few do not represent the whole. |
deadinsider |
Nov-11-11 01:16 AM |
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I agree entirely. I never said otherwise. n/t |
markpkessinger |
Nov-11-11 01:28 AM |
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I know... |
deadinsider |
Nov-11-11 01:32 AM |
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regarding your second and third bullet points |
fizzgig |
Nov-11-11 01:34 AM |
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Yes indeed |
melissaf |
Nov-11-11 01:41 AM |
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i had just edited to add that i don't know how he can stay |
fizzgig |
Nov-11-11 01:44 AM |
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Infuriatingly, |
melissaf |
Nov-11-11 01:49 AM |
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that is possible |
fizzgig |
Nov-11-11 02:00 AM |
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Nov-11-11 01:40 AM |
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Not even worth responding to n/t |
markpkessinger |
Nov-11-11 02:18 AM |
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So you're denying that the frat rats at Pedo State U. are joking about |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-11-11 02:28 AM |
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Dude... |
deadinsider |
Nov-11-11 02:48 AM |
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The OP wasn't denying my (and Anderson Cooper's) "Sanduskying" |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-11-11 02:57 AM |
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OK... |
deadinsider |
Nov-11-11 03:22 AM |
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The OP DID respond to say that my post was not worth |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-11-11 03:37 AM |
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Actually, I think I am going to start polling at riots |
deadinsider |
Nov-11-11 03:52 AM |
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The fans should be demanding heads... |
deadinsider |
Nov-11-11 02:12 AM |
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Yes, one can be dismissed for poor judgment on a supervisory responsibiity even if .... |
aikoaiko |
Nov-11-11 02:35 AM |
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